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Operations => Aviation & Flying Activities => Topic started by: TankerT on January 27, 2007, 11:13:26 PM

Title: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: TankerT on January 27, 2007, 11:13:26 PM
This is an interesting article:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?ref=rss&storyid=74518 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?ref=rss&storyid=74518)
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: Pylon on January 28, 2007, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: TankerT on January 27, 2007, 11:13:26 PM
This is an interesting article:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?ref=rss&storyid=74518 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?ref=rss&storyid=74518)

Reminds me of something you'd see in a scene from "Airplane!"   :o
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: Nick on January 28, 2007, 05:59:15 AM
That reminds me to get out my 'Emergency multi-engine jet aircraft landings for dummies' guide and brush up on it.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on January 28, 2007, 11:30:01 AM
Hmm... Im not exactly sure why the private licensed guy went up / why they asked for a second pilot..The plane had a copilot, and arent the controls totally duplicated in a ship like that? 
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: Nick on January 28, 2007, 05:08:23 PM
I'm sure he took over all the F/O duties for the landing (comm, establishing approach vectors, handling the flaps/gear/throttle, etc.) so the F/O could focus on PIC duties.  If you're used to a two-man operation, I highly doubt you want to be caught doing it all yourself in an emergency situation. :)
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: DNall on January 28, 2007, 05:11:14 PM
Can you imagine the passengers when you announce the need for a doctor & then a pilot? That's insane! I'm pretty sure flight attendants have a good deal of medical training beyond CPR as well. In fact, this being Continental, I know they do.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: afgeo4 on January 28, 2007, 11:43:52 PM
Umm... they couldn't interview the private pilot himself? I like how the article almost makes a hero out of this man. Now I don't know him and I'm not making any judgements on him, but what did he do that the news agency felt compelled to do the story on him, even include his photo?

IMHO the article looks like something a high school would do. Now, wouldn't it be smarter to authorize CAP members to fly in dress uniforms just for such occasions? Easy to identify someone with wings as a pilot.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on January 29, 2007, 01:57:30 AM
Quote from: afgeo4 on January 28, 2007, 11:43:52 PM
Now, wouldn't it be smarter to authorize CAP members to fly in dress uniforms just for such occasions? Easy to identify someone with wings as a pilot.

LOL....  ::)
Just as long as they arent SOLO wings  ;D
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: Pylon on January 29, 2007, 02:02:17 AM
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on January 29, 2007, 01:57:30 AM
Quote from: afgeo4 on January 28, 2007, 11:43:52 PM
Now, wouldn't it be smarter to authorize CAP members to fly in dress uniforms just for such occasions? Easy to identify someone with wings as a pilot.

LOL....  ::)
Just as long as they arent SOLO wings  ;D

How about Pre-Solo?   ;)
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on January 29, 2007, 02:46:46 AM
OOOHHH you are evil !  :D
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: JohnKachenmeister on January 29, 2007, 04:07:45 PM
My son is a flight attendant for Spirit. They have an AED on board and they are trained to use it.

But when God calls you home, you're going.  All the AED's, CPR, and doctors in the world cannot change that.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: TankerT on January 29, 2007, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: mclarty on January 28, 2007, 05:08:23 PM
I'm sure he took over all the F/O duties for the landing (comm, establishing approach vectors, handling the flaps/gear/throttle, etc.) so the F/O could focus on PIC duties.  If you're used to a two-man operation, I highly doubt you want to be caught doing it all yourself in an emergency situation. :)

I actually found a better article the other day... which I can't find anymore.  Basically, the pilot read the checklists off, did radio work etc.  All minor items.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: AlaskanCFI on January 29, 2007, 06:37:22 PM

Avweb has a better article:

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/795-full.html#194328

Hey, now the guy gets to log 757 Dual, SIC, Multi Engine and High Performance all on one trip....


xx
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: afgeo4 on January 31, 2007, 04:57:21 PM
Yes, but shouldn't the FAA fine him for operating outside of his ratings?
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: dogden on January 31, 2007, 06:17:29 PM
I remember that if you declare an emergency the regs are pretty much void at that point. I have seen it happen as a flight attendant for 4 years. We had a medical emergency on board, did 320kias until the outer marker and I was in the isle for the landing. we had the passenger at the door by the time we got off the runway ready for EMS to take them off the aircraft.

Under normal operations the FAA would have been all over us for that. With an emergency being declared, we just told them why we made the decisions we did and nothing was ever said.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: JohnKachenmeister on January 31, 2007, 06:28:28 PM
The pilot in command may deviate from regulations to ensure safe flight.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on February 01, 2007, 02:17:52 AM
I'm not a Pilot so this may be an obvious/dumb question to those of you who are: would that PPL good Samaritan actually get to log that 757 flight? 
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: dogden on February 01, 2007, 02:52:22 AM
Legally, It would require the surviving pilot to have a MEI and a 757/767 type rating for the passenger to log the time.

The airline that I worked for, most of the first officers (f/o's) had all of the instructor ratings(CFI/CFII/MEI) without a type rating. The aircraft training that the f/o's received was almost the same as the captains, just without the type rating. This was done to save money. Southwest airlines on the other hand requires all pilots to have a 737 type rating before they are hired.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on February 01, 2007, 03:57:43 AM
So the answer then is probably: NO    Am I right?
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: AlaskanCFI on February 02, 2007, 04:57:42 AM
There is also SIC time...
If the surviving pilot was a CFI, which is likey since he probably obtained one on his way to his ATP,  then the C-182 pilot could possibly log dual instruction time. 


Even if you could not,,,, I sure as heck would.... he lived the dream.... at that point in time and probably now,,, our opinions don't mean s%*^t...
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: Al Sayre on February 02, 2007, 12:43:33 PM
He can write anything he wants in his log book, as long as he isn't using the time to justify a higher rating.  If I was him I'd put it in mine... great for hanger flying..."Did I ever tell you about the time I got to fly a 757?  There I was sitting in my coach seat next to this guy who..." ;)
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: PhotogPilot on April 22, 2007, 07:42:18 PM
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on January 29, 2007, 04:07:45 PM
My son is a flight attendant for Spirit. They have an AED on board and they are trained to use it.

But when God calls you home, you're going.  All the AED's, CPR, and doctors in the world cannot change that.

Reminds me of a joke I heard once.

Comic: "I'm afraid of flying. Everyone says, when it's your time to go, it's your time. I just don't want to be on the plane when it's the pilot's time to go".
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: Flying Pig on April 23, 2007, 07:10:32 AM
I write it in and put a big  ;D next to it!
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: jimmydeanno on April 23, 2007, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: afgeo4 on January 28, 2007, 11:43:52 PM
Now, wouldn't it be smarter to authorize CAP members to fly in dress uniforms just for such occasions? Easy to identify someone with wings as a pilot.

[hijack-no pun intended]
Quote from: CAPM-39-1
may wear service dress uniform or light blue, short or long sleeve
shirt/blouse with tie/tab and the all-weather coat, overcoat, and
raincoat when traveling by commercial means (other than to and
from local CAP activities) (see note 2)

NOTE 2: Unit commanders can make exceptions for travel in small commuter aircraft that involve short flights in areas of the country where civilians wear informal clothing because of weather or cramped conditions on the commuter aircraft.
[/hijack]
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: JohnKachenmeister on April 23, 2007, 10:35:11 PM
My son is a flight attendant, and I have a few dozen "Complimentary Cocktail" coupons.  I'll fly in civilian clothes so as not to let them go to waste.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: BillB on April 23, 2007, 10:45:46 PM
A Graduate of the IG College, who has a .45 caliber, and complementry cocktail coupons. Now we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: JohnKachenmeister on April 23, 2007, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: BillB on April 23, 2007, 10:45:46 PM
A Graduate of the IG College, who has a .45 caliber, and complementry cocktail coupons. Now we are in trouble.

...And rides a Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: MIKE on April 23, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
What model?  Low Rider, Soft Tail?
Title: Re: Stewardess: "Is there a Doctor on board? And, also, is anyone a pilot?"
Post by: JohnKachenmeister on April 24, 2007, 02:10:14 AM
Quote from: MIKE on April 23, 2007, 11:57:16 PM
What model?  Low Rider, Soft Tail?

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