USAF holds a bird Colonel to the standard...

[Flying Pig]

Failed PFTs and got $12,000 and a discharge?  Wow.......  Guys in the Marines who got separated for failing PFTs barely got even a ride to the main gate!

[Pylon]

Failed PFTs and got $12,000 and a discharge?  Wow.......  Guys in the Marines who got separated for failing PFTs barely got even a ride to the main gate!

Guys in my unit who are failing to meet height/weight/body fat % standards will receive an Other Than Honorable discharge (for "failure to comply") and will lose their (combat) veteran status and all of their veteran benefits. There's no free cookie or pat on the back on the way out.

[Nuke52]

I was discharged early (DOS Rollback) due to multiple PT failures (4 in 24 mos)... the AF would rather kick out the experienced NCOs who may have run issues than retain them over hiring new blood... but that's above my paygrade.... did my 10 and got my honorable discharge and 12,000 dollar separation paycheck ;-)

Disclaimer:  I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but this piqued my interest a little.  One of those "things that make you go 'hmmmm'"...  (hmm, hmm) (© C&C Music Factory, 1990)

You say you did your "10" and got out, but in your signature it says you were USAF from 2004-2012...  I fully admit I was NOT a math major in college, but in none of the many ways in which I attempted to calculate that did it come out to 10 years.  What gives?

[RogueLeader]

I was discharged early (DOS Rollback) due to multiple PT failures (4 in 24 mos)... the AF would rather kick out the experienced NCOs who may have run issues than retain them over hiring new blood... but that's above my paygrade.... did my 10 and got my honorable discharge and 12,000 dollar separation paycheck ;-)

Disclaimer:  I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but this piqued my interest a little.  One of those "things that make you go 'hmmmm'"...  (hmm, hmm) (© C&C Music Factory, 1990)

You say you did your "10" and got out, but in your signature it says you were USAF from 2004-2012...  I fully admit I was NOT a math major in college, but in none of the many ways in which I attempted to calculate that did it come out to 10 years.  What gives?

If he enlisted 1Jan04 and discharged 31Dec12, that would be 9 years.  Reserve/Guard time not in signature?  Not sure.

[PHall]

I was discharged early (DOS Rollback) due to multiple PT failures (4 in 24 mos)... the AF would rather kick out the experienced NCOs who may have run issues than retain them over hiring new blood... but that's above my paygrade.... did my 10 and got my honorable discharge and 12,000 dollar separation paycheck ;-)

Disclaimer:  I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but this piqued my interest a little.  One of those "things that make you go 'hmmmm'"...  (hmm, hmm) (© C&C Music Factory, 1990)

You say you did your "10" and got out, but in your signature it says you were USAF from 2004-2012...  I fully admit I was NOT a math major in college, but in none of the many ways in which I attempted to calculate that did it come out to 10 years.  What gives?

If he enlisted 1Jan04 and discharged 31Dec12, that would be 9 years.  Reserve/Guard time not in signature?  Not sure.

That's still not the 10 years he claims.

[Flying Pig]

Id be more interested in the $12,000 pay out for failing multiple PFTs.

[coudano]

Maybe counting to the end of the total inactive ready reserve commitment.

[huey]

I was discharged early (DOS Rollback) due to multiple PT failures (4 in 24 mos)... the AF would rather kick out the experienced NCOs who may have run issues than retain them over hiring new blood... but that's above my paygrade.... did my 10 and got my honorable discharge and 12,000 dollar separation paycheck ;-)

Where are u Jeff 10?

[PHall]

Id be more interested in the $12,000 pay out for failing multiple PFTs.

He got the $12,000 for getting out early "for the convience of the government".
The AF needed to reduce numbers to meet their cap for the end of the year.
So they gave "severence pay" to those who got out up to an year early.
He was going to be denied reenlistment due to the PFT fails, so he qualified for the DOS Rollback program.

[cap235629]

Failed PFTs and got $12,000 and a discharge?  Wow.......  Guys in the Marines who got separated for failing PFTs barely got even a ride to the main gate!

Guys in my unit who are failing to meet height/weight/body fat % standards will receive an Other Than Honorable discharge (for "failure to comply") and will lose their (combat) veteran status and all of their veteran benefits. There's no free cookie or pat on the back on the way out.

What branch of service??  Army Regs say otherwise....

[lordmonar]

AFI 36-3208 says

5.28.2. The service of airmen discharged for unsatisfactory performance will be characterized as honorable or general (instructions for service characterization in Chapter 1, Section 1B, apply). However, if the sole reason for separation is for failure to meet physical fitness standards, then only an honorable characterization may be given.

Failure to comply would have to be wilful disregard to the PT program...i.e. they were on the fat boy program and either failed to go to manditory PT sessions, or gained weight while on the PT program....and not soly for failing to meet standards.

[SarDragon]

Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, Reserve

[spaatzmom]

Failed PFTs and got $12,000 and a discharge?  Wow.......  Guys in the Marines who got separated for failing PFTs barely got even a ride to the main gate!

Guys in my unit who are failing to meet height/weight/body fat % standards will receive an Other Than Honorable discharge (for "failure to comply") and will lose their (combat) veteran status and all of their veteran benefits. There's no free cookie or pat on the back on the way out.

What branch of service??  Army Regs say otherwise....

As in his sig    Jeffrey Hughes
SSGT USAF 2004-2012

[Майор Хаткевич]

I think question was directed at Pylon, in which case USMC.

[sarmed1]

I was discharged early (DOS Rollback) due to multiple PT failures (4 in 24 mos)... the AF would rather kick out the experienced NCOs who may have run issues than retain them over hiring new blood... but that's above my paygrade.... did my 10 and got my honorable discharge and 12,000 dollar separation paycheck ;-)

It'll depend on actuall reason on the discharge; I have not heard of USAF actually booting anyone out for PT failure; it may be a contributing factor, ie poor OPR/EPR due to PT failure, not promoted due to PT failure etc etc.  People that are on medical PT waivers if not resolved in 1 year may be being "booted" as well, cant PT, but its a medical issue vs fat/flabby reason.  Other reason may be reduction in force/unit manning changes, mandatory re-education type stuff where your are given the choice move/change AFSC's or get out (they usually ask the people that they dont want around anymore)

So some of those reasons may still result in Honroable discharges and seperation payments

mk

[bflynn]

I would have been more impressed if they had held a full bird colonel to the standard related to low level acrobatic maneuvers in a B-52.

This doesn't impress me, it makes me wonder what they consider important.

[LGM30GMCC]

I was discharged early (DOS Rollback) due to multiple PT failures (4 in 24 mos)... the AF would rather kick out the experienced NCOs who may have run issues than retain them over hiring new blood... but that's above my paygrade.... did my 10 and got my honorable discharge and 12,000 dollar separation paycheck ;-)

It'll depend on actuall reason on the discharge; I have not heard of USAF actually booting anyone out for PT failure; it may be a contributing factor, ie poor OPR/EPR due to PT failure, not promoted due to PT failure etc etc.  People that are on medical PT waivers if not resolved in 1 year may be being "booted" as well, cant PT, but its a medical issue vs fat/flabby reason.  Other reason may be reduction in force/unit manning changes, mandatory re-education type stuff where your are given the choice move/change AFSC's or get out (they usually ask the people that they dont want around anymore)

So some of those reasons may still result in Honroable discharges and seperation payments

mk

During my time at Malmstrom probably 15-30 Airman (at least) were kicked out specifically for failure to meet PT standards. 4 failed tests in 2 years and it is mandatory you face a retention board. A number of the folks getting kicked out have gotten precisely $0 in separation pay. They are simply let go and told 'thanks for serving.' It's decided by a board of I believe 6-8 officers equal or higher in rank to anyone being considered for removal.

[PHall]

I was discharged early (DOS Rollback) due to multiple PT failures (4 in 24 mos)... the AF would rather kick out the experienced NCOs who may have run issues than retain them over hiring new blood... but that's above my paygrade.... did my 10 and got my honorable discharge and 12,000 dollar separation paycheck ;-)

It'll depend on actuall reason on the discharge; I have not heard of USAF actually booting anyone out for PT failure; it may be a contributing factor, ie poor OPR/EPR due to PT failure, not promoted due to PT failure etc etc.  People that are on medical PT waivers if not resolved in 1 year may be being "booted" as well, cant PT, but its a medical issue vs fat/flabby reason.  Other reason may be reduction in force/unit manning changes, mandatory re-education type stuff where your are given the choice move/change AFSC's or get out (they usually ask the people that they dont want around anymore)

So some of those reasons may still result in Honroable discharges and seperation payments

mk

During my time at Malmstrom probably 15-30 Airman (at least) were kicked out specifically for failure to meet PT standards. 4 failed tests in 2 years and it is mandatory you face a retention board. A number of the folks getting kicked out have gotten precisely $0 in separation pay. They are simply let go and told 'thanks for serving.' It's decided by a board of I believe 6-8 officers equal or higher in rank to anyone being considered for removal.

The folks who got the money just happened to time it right and were able to take advantage of the DOS Rollback program.
They weren't going to be able to reenlist due to their PFT fails which made them prime targets for the DOS Rollback program.

[Private Investigator]

Also doesn't the enlisted men/women who HYT out get a severance package?

[Nuke52]

Also doesn't the enlisted men/women who HYT out get a severance package?

I'm not certain--I'd bet PHall knows--but I don't believe so. For the retirement-eligible they just retire at the appropriate time, no extra cash or fanfare. For those who aren't retirement-eligible, they just separate, and that's it.