RE: A CAP kilt

[cap82-86]

Regarding the CAP Kilt The TewMac Squadron was based in Tewksbury MA. The Squadron self supported financially and the heritage of the airport owner this was part of the tribute to the  family.This was a rifle drill team & highland dance that would perform to help offset the cost of the quanson hut which the squadron was based.I do not Know if it was regulation uniformed in MA . The Kilt tartan was of the Maclaren family that had established the airport. The Civil Air Patrol squadron was established in 1952 To 1997.

[CadetProgramGuy]

And 39-1 says we can wear the kilt how?

(or the many pointless ICL's?)

[Major Lord]

USAF Tartan Kilt: http://www.sportkilt.com/product/1351/Kilt---US-Air-Force-Sport-Kilt-%28U%29.html

Major Lord

[Cherokeepilot]

All service branches have a registered tartan which may be woven into material for a kilt.  A number of years ago, I had started an info request up the food chain about CAP registration of a tartan.  A number of public corporations and private organizations have their own individual registered tartans.  The tartans usually reflect colors associated with that organization.

I had tried several different tarten weves based on the historic colors for CAP of Yellow, Red, and Blue from the WWII era.  Looked alright, but someone with a better understanding of heritage colors in weaving needed to be involved.  The idea didn't go very far.

I did request and received permission to wear my family tartan kilt with proper jacket at this years NSC.  Well received by most folks, but did hear some opposition comments at the dinner.  Not everybody is happy to see a properly attired man for dinner.
73s

[ColonelJack]

Well, I don't know about a CAP kilt (but I'd love to help design one!) ... but I do know that any kilt looks GREAT with a mess dress jacket.

Absolutely freaking stunning, in fact.

Jack

[Major Lord]

Hey, if people can wear a Yarmulke, we should be able to wear our kilts! Anyone who opposes it is obviously an anti-anglo racist and a hate monger, and there is no room in CAP for that kind of un-American thinking

Major Lord
Clanranald

[Irishrenegade]

Being Irish...I am all for implementing this. They really do look stunning.

[tdepp]

Don't we already have enough uniforms as it is?

[Irishrenegade]

^^ to true...But whats one more to the list...they are getting rid of one so this could be its replacement

[Major Lord]

I have seen photos of lots of military weddings with the mess dress/kilt combo. Is this technically authorized in regulations anywhere?

Major Lord

[Eclipse]

Hey, if people can wear a Yarmulke, we should be able to wear our kilts!

Where are those authorized?

[Irishrenegade]

I dont think they are stated in CAP regs from what I have read. Something tells me we would have to get permission to do so.

[davidsinn]

Hey, if people can wear a Yarmulke, we should be able to wear our kilts!

Where are those authorized?

39-1 Major.

1-7. Wear of Religious Apparel. Members may wear certain visible items of religious apparel while
in uniform. Religious apparel is defined as articles of clothing or dress that are part of the doctrine or
traditional observance of the religious faith practiced by the member. Hair and grooming practices are
not included in the meaning of religious apparel. Jewelry of a religious nature must conform to
standards set forth in this regulation for wear of non-religious jewelry. Religious head coverings are
authorized only when military headgear is not authorized. Head coverings must be plain dark blue or
black without adornment. Also, they may be worn underneath military headgear if they do not interfere
with the proper fit or appearance of the headgear. For example, Jewish yarmulkes meet this requirement
if they do not exceed 6 inches in diameter.

[tdepp]

So, what if someone with African roots wanted to wear traditional tribal garb that was not religious? Or a Native American wanted to wear tribal garb that was not religious?  Or what if I, of German descent, wanted to wear lederhosen with my uniform?  I think that's why uniforms are called "uniforms"--so we all show we are on the same team with a uniformity of purpose for our nation.  It is also a way to identify who we are to the public.  It would be like members of a football team each wearing different kinds of jerseys during a game.  The religious items I understand.  But cultural items?   

[Irishrenegade]

Kilts are not always...and i repeat...not always cultural. With the world so diverse these days I think everyone adopted eachothers cultures. Its alot of time all perspective.

Along with that...if the USAF and other military branches use/wear kilts then I don't see the harm in it...granted we do have an over abundance of uniform selections...

[Ned]

Well, I'm thinking that members within the weight limit could wear the USAF tartan, but with a grey sporran.

Our  "members of size" will have to wear a Corporate Tartan, I suspect.  But the good news is that they can wear a hard metal clan badge as a kilt pin!


Ned Lee
Member, Scottish-American Military Society

[Irishrenegade]

Well, I'm thinking that members within the weight limit could wear the USAF tartan, but with a grey sporran.

Our  "members of size" will have to wear a Corporate Tartan, I suspect.  But the good news is that they can wear a hard metal clan badge as a kilt pin!


Ned Lee
Member, Scottish-American Military Society

Co-sign

[Major Lord]

Perhaps a board to approve Kilt wear based on submitted photographs? Kilts, like Spandex, are a privilege, not a right!

I propose we find a major CAP gathering to arrange the world's largest CAP-Kilt group photo. I dinna think the girlie-men have the stones to stan' aginna us!

Major Lord

[Al Sayre]

Hey, if people can wear a Yarmulke, we should be able to wear our kilts!

Where are those authorized?

39-1 Major.

1-7. Wear of Religious Apparel. Members may wear certain visible items of religious apparel while
in uniform. Religious apparel is defined as articles of clothing or dress that are part of the doctrine or
traditional observance of the religious faith practiced by the member. Hair and grooming practices are
not included in the meaning of religious apparel. Jewelry of a religious nature must conform to
standards set forth in this regulation for wear of non-religious jewelry. Religious head coverings are
authorized only when military headgear is not authorized. Head coverings must be plain dark blue or
black without adornment. Also, they may be worn underneath military headgear if they do not interfere
with the proper fit or appearance of the headgear. For example, Jewish yarmulkes meet this requirement
if they do not exceed 6 inches in diameter.

Does that mean a Pastafarian can wear a striped shirt, cutlass and eye patch?

[SarDragon]

Well, another one right down the crapper!