Non-Members (Guests) at a CAP Bivouac

Started by Stonewall, January 23, 2009, 02:50:47 AM

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Eclipse

Quote from: Rotorhead on January 24, 2009, 12:20:25 AM
Quote from: LtCol Hooligan on January 23, 2009, 06:17:07 PM
We had a practice search where an 8 year old and 11 year old hid in the woods until the search team found them.  It was pretty successful cause the kids would move around or duck down and hide-
Do a lot of your plane crash victims run around and hide from your ground teams?

Not to mention the danger of allowing an 8 and 10 year old to roam around without supervision.

You may wind up with an actual on your hands, or worse, and when the smoke in the hearing room clears, they aren't even members.

"That Others May Zoom"

SJFedor

Quote from: Eclipse on January 24, 2009, 01:15:22 AM
Quote from: Rotorhead on January 24, 2009, 12:20:25 AM
Quote from: LtCol Hooligan on January 23, 2009, 06:17:07 PM
We had a practice search where an 8 year old and 11 year old hid in the woods until the search team found them.  It was pretty successful cause the kids would move around or duck down and hide-
Do a lot of your plane crash victims run around and hide from your ground teams?

Not to mention the danger of allowing an 8 and 10 year old to roam around without supervision.

You may wind up with an actual on your hands, or worse, and when the smoke in the hearing room clears, they aren't even members.


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Quote from: LtCol Hooligan on January 23, 2009, 06:17:07 PM
Just a thought, but couldn't the guests be victims or something else?  We had a practice search where an 8 year old and 11 year old hid in the woods until the search team found them.  It was pretty successful cause the kids would move around or duck down and hide- a lot different than a dummy hiding in the woods.  Now keep in mind this was pretty controlled (a small wodded area that we had control over) and the observer had eyes and ears on the "victims" the entire time.  The mother of the victims was also a CAP member.  At any rate- it could be a way to be creative.

Emphasis mine.

Steven Fedor, NREMT-P
Master Ambulance Driver
Former Capt, MP, MCPE, MO, MS, GTL, and various other 3-and-4 letter combinations
NESA MAS Instructor, 2008-2010 (#479)

BillB

#22
Actually, Florida Wing does NOT require a female senior if female cadets are present. It must be a local requirement. The Flroda Wing Policy letter 05-3, dated 9 December 05 (which is still listed) says: " It's highly desirable that one of the "approved" senior members be the same gender as each cadet at the activity".
So if two males were available for an overnight activity, or two females for that matter, it would still be legal. But if either a male and female senior were unavailable, two seniors of the same gender would be required for the overnight activity in accordance with 52-16. If someone says you have to have seniors of the same genders that the cadets attending the activity are, ask for a regulation or policy letter to back that up. There isn't one.
Gil Robb Wilson # 19
Gil Robb Wilson # 104

Short Field

#23
Quote from: Rotorhead on January 24, 2009, 12:20:25 AM
[Do a lot of your plane crash victims run around and hide from your ground teams?

We search for more than just plane crash victims.  It is almost expected that when you are searching for a kid, they will move and they will hide.  1st, they have probably been taught to be cautious of strangers.  2nd, they are afraid of getting in trouble with their parents for wandering off. 

A good short source for Lost Person Behavior is an article by Kenneth Hill, Waverley Ground Search and Rescue and Saint Mary's University, Canada.  It is included in the supplemental readings provided in the Inland SAR Planning Course taught by the National SAR School.

Getting non-CAP people to assist in running a SAREX is a good idea.  We have a local 4-wheeling club that I want to get involved in taking out a beacon for us to seach for as a air and ground operation.
SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640