Questions regarding ohio wing packing list.

[Hoorah]

1. I was wondering what this was please explain what this D+C Manual is.
2. What is a AF style BDU cover and where would could I buy one at.
3. Can you take your Civil Air Patrol binder with you that has the required paperwork and materials in the binder.
                                                                               

[Stonewall]

D&C manual:  Drill and Ceremonies.

AF style BDU cover:  the camouflage hat that you wear with your BDUs.

Don't quite understand your last question.  If it doesn't say you can bring something, don't bring it.

[Eclipse]

1) Probably AFMAN 36-2203 http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/AFMAN_362203_Air_Force_Drill__Cerem_A27E4A9217B19.pdf

2) The standard CAP to be worn with your BDU's as per CAPR 39-1.

3) No idea, but most encampments don't want you to bring that kind of thing unless specified in the list.

Regardless, I guarantee 100% that you will get a quicker, more correct response by using the links on this web page:
http://ohwgencampment.googlepages.com/contact_us  than asking the question here.

[CAPLAW]

 Cadet Williams, Do you  have a Deputy Commander for Cadets at your Squadron?

[SM-MADDOG]

Pre encampments? Do any of your groups hold a pre encampment. We held one last year. I think they also had one the year before. Not a bad idea gets the cadets ready for encampment.

[Pumbaa]

3. Can you take your Civil Air Patrol binder with you that has the required paperwork and materials in the binder.

Dude is your name Forrest Gump?

I'm wondering if you are for real....

[Hoorah]

The answer's to the question's are as followed.
1 Drill and ceremonies manuel,
2. Bdu cover not a hat.
3. Yes you can take the binder with you.

[Pumbaa]

So why are you answering your own questions...

kid quit jerking our chains.

[Rotorhead]

2. Bdu cover not a hat.

What does this mean? A BDU cover IS a hat.

[RogueLeader]

2. Bdu cover not a hat.

What does this mean? A BDU cover IS a hat.

Incoorect Sir.
CAPM 39-1 Figure 2-26 specifically calls is a BDU Cap.

[soapbox]
Normally, a hat can be worn in any such manner as the wearer so desires.  A "cover" Patrol Cap" or a "BDU Cap" is to be worn in the manner as proscribed IAW all relevant Regulations and/or manuals.

I can take my cover and wear it as a hat by wearing backwards //shudders//  A cover can be a hat, but does not mean that it is.

[/soapbox]

[Rotorhead]

2. Bdu cover not a hat.

What does this mean? A BDU cover IS a hat.

Incoorect Sir.
CAPM 39-1 Figure 2-26 specifically calls is a BDU Cap.

[soapbox]
Normally, a hat can be worn in any such manner as the wearer so desires.  A "cover" Patrol Cap" or a "BDU Cap" is to be worn in the manner as proscribed IAW all relevant Regulations and/or manuals.

I can take my cover and wear it as a hat by wearing backwards //shudders//  A cover can be a hat, but does not mean that it is.

[/soapbox]

Aw, come on.

[DC]

2. Bdu cover not a hat.

What does this mean? A BDU cover IS a hat.

Incoorect Sir.
CAPM 39-1 Figure 2-26 specifically calls is a BDU Cap.

[soapbox]
Normally, a hat can be worn in any such manner as the wearer so desires.  A "cover" Patrol Cap" or a "BDU Cap" is to be worn in the manner as proscribed IAW all relevant Regulations and/or manuals.

I can take my cover and wear it as a hat by wearing backwards //shudders//  A cover can be a hat, but does not mean that it is.

[/soapbox]

Aw, come on.

Hat, cap, cover, headgear, whatever, we all know what it is, there is no need to be that semantical.

And seriously, lay off Williams, while some of his questions may seem kind of stupid, at least he is asking and demonstrating a desire to learn. I have known cadets that simply didn't care, he is at least trying. We should be supporting him and helping him, not putting him down for his desire to learn from the wealth of CAP knowledge and experience that visits this forum every day.

[/soapbox]

[JoeTomasone]

And since his desire is to learn, we should point out that an AF-Style BDU cover differs from a Marine Corps BDU cover, and not to get the wrong one.

[MIKE]

Bangs head on keyboard *

Please stop calling it a cover. [/frustration]

[PA Guy]

Hat, cap, cover, headgear, whatever, we all know what it is, there is no need to be that semantical.

Amen.  If I write an official document or teach a class and use the term cover, shame on me.  If I use the term cover in an unofficial forum such as this or in an informal conversation, just get over it.

[BuckeyeDEJ]

Hey, Williams, what squadron are you in?

You should be able to ask questions at your local squadron first -- and come here if you're still fuzzy. You'll get the answers here, of course, but the first place to ask is at your squadron.

The best place to look is the regulations, and I STRONGLY suggest you familiarize yourself with them. They're your friends. As far as you're concerned, they're what govern CAP. Live by them and you'll never go wrong.

Got it? 

Oh, and... GO BUCKEYES!

[RogueLeader]

Bangs head on keyboard *

Please stop calling it a cover. [/frustration]

Fine, I'll call it a PC: Patrol Cap.

[BGNightfall]

And to tag along with the instructional purposes, not only is the "Marine" style 8-point BDU cap different from the AF style BDU cap, but there are some places that also sell BDU pattern baseball caps.  This could be what is meant by "BDU cover not a hat". 

[JayT]

And to tag along with the instructional purposes, not only is the "Marine" style 8-point BDU cap different from the AF style BDU cap, but there are some places that also sell BDU pattern baseball caps.  This could be what is meant by "BDU cover not a hat". 

It's still not a 'BDU cover.'

[Senior]

In the Army it was called a cover. 
I think the Air Force wears baseball caps (Go Zoomies)
If you call it a patrol cap then you have to have a BDU nametape sewn on
the back of the hat.  Luminous cateyes and the newer IR strips.  The IR
strips are similar to cateyes.  You may want to put a glint patch on the inside of the hat also.  Of course this is how we did it in the Army. :clap:

[BuckeyeDEJ]

Since there's confusion around CAP, let's look at the real authority, AFI 36-2903, "Dress and Personal Appearance of Air Force Personnel."

Page 32, "Men's and Women's Headgear," refers to a service cap, a flight cap, a BDU cap and an organizational baseball cap. The matrix on page 54 also refers to a watch cap and a blue winter cap.

So that's caps, not covers -- so says our parent.

[RogueLeader]

So says our own:

What does this mean? A BDU cover IS a hat.

Incoorect Sir.
CAPM 39-1 Figure 2-26 specifically calls is a BDU Cap.

[soapbox]
Normally, a hat can be worn in any such manner as the wearer so desires.  A "cover" Patrol Cap" or a "BDU Cap" is to be worn in the manner as proscribed IAW all relevant Regulations and/or manuals.

I can take my cover and wear it as a hat by wearing backwards //shudders//  A cover can be a hat, but does not mean that it is.

[/soapbox]

My point still stands.

"cover is not as good as "BDU Cap" but better than <shudders> hat.

[Rotorhead]

So says our own:

What does this mean? A BDU cover IS a hat.

Incoorect Sir.
CAPM 39-1 Figure 2-26 specifically calls is a BDU Cap.

[soapbox]
Normally, a hat can be worn in any such manner as the wearer so desires.  A "cover" Patrol Cap" or a "BDU Cap" is to be worn in the manner as proscribed IAW all relevant Regulations and/or manuals.

I can take my cover and wear it as a hat by wearing backwards //shudders//  A cover can be a hat, but does not mean that it is.

[/soapbox]

My point still stands.

"cover is not as good as "BDU Cap" but better than <shudders> hat.

A Hat is, by defintion:

1.  A covering for the head, especially one with a shaped crown and brim.
2.
a. A head covering of distinctive color and shape worn as a symbol of office.
b. The office symbolized by the wearing of such a head covering.

3. A role or office symbolized by or as if by the wearing of different hats

I'm sorry you don't happen to like the word, but it is what it is, regardless.

And a "BDU cover" is a hat, whether you like it or not.

I can't believe we have to have this argument.

[DC]

I can't believe this has gone on this long without MIKE locking it...

[RogueLeader]

I can't believe this has gone on this long without MIKE locking it...

I was going to go one more, then decided to be good, but you're right.