NEC Winter Meeting

[RiverAux]

Legal officer agenda item.
Part 1 - changed wording to "manage" rather than "supervise.  approved.
Part 2.  Legal Officer Authority -postponed till tomorrow
Part 3. Legal Officer Duties - approved.
Part 4.  Legal Service Award creation - Postponed.  The Awards committee didn't like it at all.  If the lawyers have their own award given by peers, shouldn't all the others?  This would be in addition to existing awards for same action, which we generally don't do. 
Part 5. "Legal Officer Corps" -- Approved. 

Adjourned for Day

[BuckeyeDEJ]

Thanks Ricochet....

Some interesting items....

Proposal to move the command patch on airplanes from the doors to the rudder to make it more visible and be similar to what AF does -- NHQ/LG doesn't like it though.

I'm not sure I understand why the door decal was ever put there to begin with. Seems the tail was better in the first place. Maybe a two-letter identifier should be used on the tail for either wing or region identification -- wings used to be identified on CAP plane tails. Then again, I wonder how the current corporate color scheme was designed -- is the red tail for increased visibility? The blue belly?

(Heck, if you read some of the things I've seen lately around the Internet, it won't be two years before the Obama 'O' logo is on our wings instead of the roundel....)

Revision to CAPR190-1 public affairs regarding the planning process (a monster waste of time in many cases)

Huh?

More power for CAP legal officers at Wing and higher levels.

Moving damage assessment authority to Region.

Allowing commanders down to group levels to put units in their command on logistics freezes.

Now THERE's a novel idea. It helps address rogue units, for one....

Might re-address the issue of Legislative officers who get quickie promotions to Lt. Col.

That's what I need -- a promotion to lieutenant colonel without the hassle of working for it. 

[RiverAux]

Looking at the proposal, the PA thing will put the specifc 4-step planning process that NHQ has been forcing down everyone's throat into the regulations.  I think the plan process is a joke since in many, many units there isn't a PA to speak of, but now they're required to write a plan every year as well as a crisis comm plan.  Like squadron commanders need more work to do -- since they will have to if they don't have a PA.  If they don't have a PA -- you know they're not going to get much PA work done so whats the purpose of the plan.....

[arajca]

It will interesting to see if National is going to offer any training outside of the PAO fest at the summer NB on how to develop the PA and Crisis Comm plans.


I'm not holding my breath.

[RiverAux]

Although I think the plans are essentially useless, NHQ has provided templates of both for PAOs to use as well as have posted many example plans from regions and wings.  So, if you've got a PAO that is active, they do have something to work with. 

[Capt Rivera]

For our newer members:
From: http://www.capchannel.com/
November 2008 NEC
Live Stream Schedule

Friday, November 7
1:00PM - 5:00PM CST

Saturday, November 8
8:30AM - 11:30AM CST
1:00PM - 5:00PM CST

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Sorry this didn't get posted sooner

[AlphaSigOU]

Thanks Ricochet....

Some interesting items....

Proposal to move the command patch on airplanes from the doors to the rudder to make it more visible and be similar to what AF does -- NHQ/LG doesn't like it though.

I'm not sure I understand why the door decal was ever put there to begin with. Seems the tail was better in the first place. Maybe a two-letter identifier should be used on the tail for either wing or region identification -- wings used to be identified on CAP plane tails. Then again, I wonder how the current corporate color scheme was designed -- is the red tail for increased visibility? The blue belly?

While at West Houston mision base for Ike, I saw one of the new Arkansas Wing 182s with a nice touch: a fin stripe with 'ARKANSAS' on it in the colors of their state flag. Nice touch... now if they'd do that with Texas Wing and others...

[jimmydeanno]

^All well and good until they transfer one of the planes to another wing...

[flyguync]

^^^^ I was thinking that wings couldnt have their names and morale stuff on planes... Then again it may just be a MER thing.

[Eeyore]

They really need to use a program other than Windows Media to stream, those of us with Mac systems can't watch.

[PHall]

^^^^ I was thinking that wings couldnt have their names and morale stuff on planes... Then again it may just be a MER thing.

No, it's a National "thing". As in CAPM 66-1.

[IceNine]

They really need to use a program other than Windows Media to stream, those of us with Mac systems can't watch.

that's cause Mac makes people want to kick the baby

[Capt Rivera]

They really need to use a program other than Windows Media to stream, those of us with Mac systems can't watch.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

VLC Media Player works on many different Operating Systems including Windows, linux and Mac

[MIKE]

Noobs... Flash

[flyguync]

Does anyone have the play by play for todays activities?

[badger bob]

from a feeble memory

6 withdrawn by proposer
7 approved
8 approved with some modifications
9 approved modifying the wing commanders having authority with the ability to delegate to group commanders
10 committee of legal and safety to report back to May NEC
11 delayed for finance committee report. Eventually withdrawn but approved as a finace committee recommendation with additional modifications
12 missed this action
13 seemed to be a lot of discitions acted on as finance committee recommendations
14 missed this action
15 missed this action

[pixelwonk]

They really need to use a program other than Windows Media to stream, those of us with Mac systems can't watch.

Like this
Like that

[JCJ]

^^^^ I was thinking that wings couldnt have their names and morale stuff on planes... Then again it may just be a MER thing.

No, it's a National "thing". As in CAPM 66-1.

The Arkansas Tail Flashes were placed by Brig. Gen. Chitwood (current CAP/CV) when he was the AR Wing CC.  They were legal and approved by the SWR/CC at that time.  Later, distinctive unit markings were disallowed because of the need to move aircraft beween wings.  The distinctive unit markings will need to be removed at the next re-paint.  But they do really look good against the red background.

[PHall]

^^^^ I was thinking that wings couldnt have their names and morale stuff on planes... Then again it may just be a MER thing.

No, it's a National "thing". As in CAPM 66-1.

The Arkansas Tail Flashes were placed by Brig. Gen. Chitwood (current CAP/CV) when he was the AR Wing CC.  They were legal and approved by the SWR/CC at that time.  Later, distinctive unit markings were disallowed because of the need to move aircraft beween wings.  The distinctive unit markings will need to be removed at the next re-paint.  But they do really look good against the red background.

And the only problem with that is the Region Commander wasn't authorised to approve them.
There is nothing in the reg authorising a Wing or Region Commander the authority to grant waivers.

[arajca]

^^^^ I was thinking that wings couldnt have their names and morale stuff on planes... Then again it may just be a MER thing.

No, it's a National "thing". As in CAPM 66-1.

The Arkansas Tail Flashes were placed by Brig. Gen. Chitwood (current CAP/CV) when he was the AR Wing CC.  They were legal and approved by the SWR/CC at that time.  Later, distinctive unit markings were disallowed because of the need to move aircraft beween wings.  The distinctive unit markings will need to be removed at the next re-paint.  But they do really look good against the red background.

And the only problem with that is the Region Commander wasn't authorised to approve them.
There is nothing in the reg authorising a Wing or Region Commander the authority to grant waivers.

Like that's stopped them before, right?