WMU entry

link · May 14, 2008, 03:28:34 PM

how do we get taks specifically squadron commanders' apprroval into the WMU? I tried to enter it in after my Squadron CC put it in through E-services. I entered the info exactly as he had to avoid any confusion but it says he doesn't have authorization for that. Do I need someone who's an evaluator to enter it?

0 · May 14, 2008, 03:29:34 PM

I think the two systems should shake hands with one another. I could be mistaken.

Camas · May 14, 2008, 04:15:10 PM

Quote from: link on May 14, 2008, 03:28:34 PM
how do we get tasks specifically squadron commanders' apprroval into the WMU?

If I understand you correctly you're trying to enter ES-related tasks into the WMU and get them validated. I believe you'll have better luck using e-services for that. In another thread it was discussed that we're no longer using the WMU for entering tasks and achievements. Your commander can then validate and approve tasks and achievements once they're entered into the system.

link · May 14, 2008, 04:27:07 PM

I missed that. So basically all we're using WMU and it's sister the IMU is for mission base stuff?

Eclipse · May 14, 2008, 04:51:54 PM

You unit CC has to be both a CC and qualified in the thing he's signing.

One work-around is to appointment a trusted staffer, who is also qualified in that specialty and an SET, as a unit cc designate.

This gives that person Unit CC right for that respective CC's AOR and brings with it the ES qualification rights.

0 · May 14, 2008, 04:56:43 PM

wait so just for the squadron commanders approval that the person can train the commander has to be qualified in that field? I can see haveing them qualified for task sign offs.

Eclipse · May 14, 2008, 06:47:57 PM

Yes - the CC must be qualified and current himself and an SET in order to approve signoffs, etc.

I had a unit CC who was an active ground pounder who couldn't spell aircrew, this caused obvious issues for approving aircrew, so the above solution was the answer.

Short Field · May 14, 2008, 06:50:11 PM

I just compared my WMU generated 101 card to my eServices generated 101 card. Big difference. No training status for some achievements and no ICS course data.

When checking ops qualifications in the IMU, you will not see trainee status. Granting training status requires a override of the qualification. The only source for that is e-services or a paper 101T.

0 · May 14, 2008, 06:53:47 PM

It's a shame that the commander has to be qualified just to approve that we've met the training requirements.

SDF_Specialist · May 14, 2008, 07:24:10 PM

The commander doesn't have to be qualified in order to approve things put into the WMU. I, and a cadet, are the only ES qualified members of my unit. When I need something approved, the commander does it, or the Group ESO does it. I just don't think the unit commander is able to approve his/her own ratings.

captrncap · May 15, 2008, 04:59:07 PM

Quote from: ♠Recruiter♠ on May 14, 2008, 07:24:10 PM
The commander doesn't have to be qualified in order to approve things put into the WMU. I, and a cadet, are the only ES qualified members of my unit. When I need something approved, the commander does it, or the Group ESO does it. I just don't think the unit commander is able to approve his/her own ratings.

As far as I know, that is the case. The Commander is just approving that the tasks were completed and signed off by the qualified person.

The CC can't approve his/her own so usually the ES Officer can do that.

Hawk200 · May 19, 2008, 11:31:33 PM

Quote from: Orion Pax on May 14, 2008, 06:53:47 PM
It's a shame that the commander has to be qualified just to approve that we've met the training requirements.

The only question that comes up is: If he's not qualified in the task, how does he/she know that you actually met the requirements?

There's good reason for the requirement. Keeps everything above board.

Eclipse · May 20, 2008, 12:26:59 AM

Quote from: Hawk200 on May 19, 2008, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: Orion Pax on May 14, 2008, 06:53:47 PM
It's a shame that the commander has to be qualified just to approve that we've met the training requirements.

The only question that comes up is: If he's not qualified in the task, how does he/she know that you actually met the requirements?

There's good reason for the requirement. Keeps everything above board.

That's not how it works - the idea behind this is the "trusted adviser role" of the SET. I'm not a pilot yet I am ultimately expected to approve all my pilots tasks and qualifications - that's why we have staff.

The issue with needing to be both both a CC and qualified is a bug in the WMU, not the way its supposed to work, and one Lt. Col. Anderson indicated to me personally that he was not intending to address.

The work-around is simple if you have appropriate parties in your unit.