CAPT 116

[SDF_Specialist]

A question was asked of me tonight regarding this test. Is there a paper copy to where you can have members take the test, then fax it to NHQ? I seem to be having some trouble getting the cadets, and a few officers to take their tests. I was thinking of making that the next ES class.

[mynetdude]

A question was asked of me tonight regarding this test. Is there a paper copy to where you can have members take the test, then fax it to NHQ? I seem to be having some trouble getting the cadets, and a few officers to take their tests. I was thinking of making that the next ES class.

Not sure, there seemed to be an online only test and tests are controlled so in theory not only would you be able to do the class but to do any testing you'd need a TCO present and TBH if you have enough computers, teach the class then sit them down in front of a PC and have them take the test, the test is open book why bother doing it on paper needless manual labor solved there.

[arajca]

Another way to look at it is:
Is the member interested enough in ES to take the first little step?

Let's face it, CAPT 116 ain't that hard - either to find or to do.

[mynetdude]

Another way to look at it is:
Is the member interested enough in ES to take the first little step?

Let's face it, CAPT 116 ain't that hard - either to find or to do.

While it may not be hard to find or do, it is hard for some (especially cadets) to understand the text isn't designed for us average joes and frankly cadets need a little bit of help understanding some of the materials like insurance, certain regulations, ICS, etc. (they do ask about this, I've gone over countless 116 with cadets so I know what it asks for).

the ICS200 course is the next challenge for some people and cadets, this is a college level course so once again... getting the time and finding a way to teach it to a cadet is the one thing that can put a cork stopper on things.

[arajca]

Another way to look at it is:
Is the member interested enough in ES to take the first little step?

Let's face it, CAPT 116 ain't that hard - either to find or to do.

While it may not be hard to find or do, it is hard for some (especially cadets) to understand the text isn't designed for us average joes and frankly cadets need a little bit of help understanding some of the materials like insurance, certain regulations, ICS, etc. (they do ask about this, I've gone over countless 116 with cadets so I know what it asks for).

Then hold a class/training session. Don't worry about the test at that time. Once you've gone over the materials, they shouldn't have a problem. Again, it shows which ones are willing to work a little and which ones expect it to be handed to them.

the ICS200 course is the next challenge for some people and cadets, this is a college level course so once again... getting the time and finding a way to teach it to a cadet is the one thing that can put a cork stopper on things.

ICS 200 is not needed until you start training for supervisory positions - GTL, CUL, etc. GTM's, MRO's do not need it.

[Brad]

A question was asked of me tonight regarding this test. Is there a paper copy to where you can have members take the test, then fax it to NHQ? I seem to be having some trouble getting the cadets, and a few officers to take their tests. I was thinking of making that the next ES class.

Not sure, there seemed to be an online only test and tests are controlled so in theory not only would you be able to do the class but to do any testing you'd need a TCO present and TBH if you have enough computers, teach the class then sit them down in front of a PC and have them take the test, the test is open book why bother doing it on paper needless manual labor solved there.

Exactly what I did with my cadets, and it worked great. They all passed.

[mynetdude]

Another way to look at it is:
Is the member interested enough in ES to take the first little step?

Let's face it, CAPT 116 ain't that hard - either to find or to do.

While it may not be hard to find or do, it is hard for some (especially cadets) to understand the text isn't designed for us average joes and frankly cadets need a little bit of help understanding some of the materials like insurance, certain regulations,

ICS, etc. (they do ask about this, I've gone over countless 116 with cadets so I know what it asks for).

Then hold a class/training session. Don't worry about the test at that time. Once you've gone over the materials, they shouldn't have a problem. Again, it shows which ones are willing to work a little and which ones expect it to be handed to them.

the ICS200 course is the next challenge for some people and cadets, this is a college level course so once again... getting the time and finding a way to teach it to a cadet is the one thing that can put a cork stopper on things.

ICS 200 is not needed until you start training for supervisory positions - GTL, CUL, etc. GTM's, MRO's do not need it.

was pretty sure ICS200 is required for one of the lower level positions, at leat I have ICS200.  I know the 117 is required to get into some of the advanced training (such as UDF).

[arajca]

117 is NOT ICS200.

[mynetdude]

117 is NOT ICS200.

I never said it was, I said the 117 was required for other advanced training such as UDF.  I don't remember why I had to have ICS200 and I'm not even involved in any command positions nor am I qualified for any, but at least I have it.

That leaves me with research to do for now.

[SDF_Specialist]

There are a lot of tests that you can do on paper. Yeah, a TCO would be required. Luckily, I happen to be one for my unit. There is a lot of interest in ES, but barely and to take the test. I'll have to work something out to get them to take it online. Thanks everyone for the advice.

[DNall]

...There is a lot of interest in ES, but barely...

Say what?   

[DeputyDog]

was pretty sure ICS200 is required for one of the lower level positions, at leat I have ICS200.

MSA?

[mynetdude]

was pretty sure ICS200 is required for one of the lower level positions, at leat I have ICS200.

MSA?

Thats what I thought, but whoever said ICS200 was only for command/leaders such as CUL, AOBD, GBD, etc... and in theory you can get away with not taking the ICS200 by not doing MSA if its MSA that does require it I'm pretty sure ICS200 is what I took to complete my MSA.

[ctrossen]

A question was asked of me tonight regarding this test. Is there a paper copy to where you can have members take the test, then fax it to NHQ? I seem to be having some trouble getting the cadets, and a few officers to take their tests. I was thinking of making that the next ES class.

Both CAPT 116 & 117 are available for order as good old-fashioned paper tests, or at least they used to be. As I recall, and this was a few years ago, I had to talk to someone in the copy shop or mail room (whoever is filling the online Form 8 requests), but that person was able to mail me a supply for the squadron.

Don't mail/fax or otherwise transmit the test stubs to NHQ, though. I don't see that getting you anywhere. If you are a wing that uses WMU, you can enter CAPT 116&117 completion on the same page that lists a member's ES qualifications.

CAVEAT: If your wing also uses IMU2, for whatever reason that program does not recognize that entry, so it thinks that particular member hasn't completed the test(s), even if he/she did. IMU2 only picks up on CAPT 116/117 completion for members that took it online.

If you're in a wing that uses Ops Qualifications, then there's probably a way to enter it there (but since WI is a WMU state, I can't help you there).

[Al Sayre]

Here (attached) is a little hand out about NIMS requirements I made up for a class, it's plagarized directly from an attachment in the draft 60-3 which should be coming out officially soon.  Disregard the stuff on page 2 that is MSWG specific.

Also, considering that since 60-3 is facing a fairly radical change, I would expect that CAPT 116 will also change in the near future...

[mynetdude]

A question was asked of me tonight regarding this test. Is there a paper copy to where you can have members take the test, then fax it to NHQ? I seem to be having some trouble getting the cadets, and a few officers to take their tests. I was thinking of making that the next ES class.

Both CAPT 116 & 117 are available for order as good old-fashioned paper tests, or at least they used to be. As I recall, and this was a few years ago, I had to talk to someone in the copy shop or mail room (whoever is filling the online Form 8 requests), but that person was able to mail me a supply for the squadron.

Don't mail/fax or otherwise transmit the test stubs to NHQ, though. I don't see that getting you anywhere. If you are a wing that uses WMU, you can enter CAPT 116&117 completion on the same page that lists a member's ES qualifications.

CAVEAT: If your wing also uses IMU2, for whatever reason that program does not recognize that entry, so it thinks that particular member hasn't completed the test(s), even if he/she did. IMU2 only picks up on CAPT 116/117 completion for members that took it online.

If you're in a wing that uses Ops Qualifications, then there's probably a way to enter it there (but since WI is a WMU state, I can't help you there).

We're still a WMU state, however we are no longer advised to use the WMU for ES entry and only use Ops Quals which I am not sure exactly why... I am told it has something to do with WMU no longer uploading but then thats silly because lots of others are using WMU still.

There is a way to enter the CAPT116/117 when you want to do some entry in the SQTR entry fields on that member in Eservices/Ops quals.

[Al Sayre]

Commanders & ESO's should have that ability.

[Short Field]

eServices Ops Quals lets you enter all parts of CAPT 117.  CAPT 116 is required for GES.  You have to be GES qualified before you are listed in Ops Quals.  Catch 22.

As modules in eServices picks up WMU functions, WMU is turning the modules off.

For ICS 300 to be NIIMS compliant, it must be three days long.  ICS 400 is two days long.  The instructors must be certified by the state office that runs emergency services or it is not NIIMS compliant. 

I just finished ICS 400 and the instructor (a paid contractor) told us how one of the states wanted a ICS 300 class in two days to qualify a lot of their people.  The training company make the state sign a statement of understanding that the two day class would not satisfy the requirement to be NIIMS compliant.  Since the state was paying, the company went ahead and did a two day course.

The only expense to attend is the time off of work to be in class.  We were lucky as we had a great instructor for both 300 and 400.   We had a great time and learned a lot.   A mediocre instructor would make those courses five days of slow death by powerpoint.

[arajca]

Small correction: It's NIMS (National Incident Management System) not NIIMS (National Interagnecy Incident Management System). NIIMS was replaced by NIMS. IIRC, NIIMS was 'owned' by the USFS primarily for wildfires. Many non-fire folks, esp. le, were fighting against using a fire program for non-fire incidents. NIMS is 'owned' by FEMA and USCG. It is supported by many others, of course.

[mamadinos]

For ICS 300 to be NIIMS compliant, it must be three days long.  ICS 400 is two days long.  The instructors must be certified by the state office that runs emergency services or it is not NIIMS compliant. 

Could you please cite the reference for the 3-day requirement for ICS 300?  I'm planning to take this with our local EOC and they are only offering a 2-day course.