Are you on strike?

[RiverAux]

Our good buddy has declared July 28-August 11 to be the CAP Strike Against Corruption wherein CAP members decline to do just about everything CAP but ES response.  Are you on strike?

[fyrfitrmedic]

 Not only am I not on strike, but with my students headed into two weeks of clinicals I'm freed up enough to make unit meetings and participate at the level I prefer.

[Pumbaa]

Yes I am on strike!

I am not doing anything that will be a part of this august BS!  I am striking against the strike of our 'good buddy'! :angel:

[lordmonar]

Hell NO!

I'm in CLC!

[Flying Pig]

Who is our "Good Buddy"?


Hadn't heard anything about it.  But Im gonna have to say "No".  The only thing its going to hurt is our local Sq.s by missing two meetings.  Sorry, we have a Group inspection coming up.

[Pylon]

I don't understand the concept of attempting to hurt the very organization you're supposedly volunteering for in an attempt to "help it clean up corruption."

As was said above, simply not participating in CAP activities generally will just hurt your local unit and make you less of a respected and effective leader.  It won't make anybody at the National level blink twice if Podunk Cadet Squadron can't hold their weekly cadet meeting or if nobody shows up to the East Nowhere Composite training activity.

[MajorSER]

We are not a Union.  We are Volunteers.

Why not do something positive to make a change rather than do nothing and hope that things will change.

[JC004]

Am I on strike if I hadn't planned to do any CAP activities at the time?     

[Pumbaa]

1st Lt good question!

How about does a tree falling in a forest make any noise if no one is there to hear it?

Well if no one hears 'our friend' does he make any noise?

Better yet, if no one listens to 'our friend' does he have any relevance?

[RiverAux]

FYI, I thought fairly hard about even bringing up this topic, but feel that while it does give him some additional attention I was fairly confident that the results of the poll would show how silly the idea is. 

[DeputyDog]

I am not on strike. In fact, I'm making it a point to do more during the attempted strike period.

[lordmonar]

I don't understand the concept of attempting to hurt the very organization you're supposedly volunteering for in an attempt to "help it clean up corruption."

As was said above, simply not participating in CAP activities generally will just hurt your local unit and make you less of a respected and effective leader.  It won't make anybody at the National level blink twice if Podunk Cadet Squadron can't hold their weekly cadet meeting or if nobody shows up to the East Nowhere Composite training activity.

It's even worst than that.

What does national care if we do or do not show up for a meeting?  It's not like our squadrons send up attendance records.

Now if RAYRAY was proposing to stop doing ES or a NCSA then maybe he would have gotten some visibility....I mean if no one showed up for Blue Beret (the NCSA going on right now) then maybe National may be scared.  But....don't do any paper work?  Don't go to meetings for two weeks?  My squadron only meets ever other week! 

Not only is RAYRAY's plan unethical but it is tactically and strategically unsound.

[JC004]

1st Lt good question!

How about does a tree falling in a forest make any noise if no one is there to hear it?

Well if no one hears 'our friend' does he make any noise?

Better yet, if no one listens to 'our friend' does he have any relevance?

I believe what you meant to say was "If a tree falls in the forest, do the other trees laugh at it?"   

[BillB]

I'm on strike. I'm not doing anything for CAP July 28 to Aug 11.  Oh wait, I just remembered, I'm not a current member of CAP.

[flyerthom]

Hell NO!

I'm in CLC!

Hell no I staffed CLC.

[lordmonar]

Hell NO!

I'm in CLC!

Hell no I staffed CLC.

And doing a fine damb job of it too!

[RogueLeader]

[sarcasm]There's corruption? Here?? In the World??? NO!!!!! I have to stop living!!!! I have to make a stand!!!!!!!!!   Maybe if I do NOTHING, MAYBE they will notice that I am doing nothing and say "Oh MY GOSH!! What was I thinking!! I've been wrong for soooo long.  I MUST STOP!!! HOW can I fix this.  I must resign to better the Organization!!!"
[/sarcasm]

Ahem, I don't think so.

[Major Carrales]

This is just rhetoric for the disgruntled...during the "Strike" our unit has had a boost in membership, attended several important Cadet activities and done a good job of keeping the momentum going in our area.  At the risk of sounding condescending, that is what CAP is about...LOCAL PEOPLE serving their COMMUNITIES, STATES and NATION...not playing politics like this was Ancient Rome or Tammany Hall.

[O-Rex]

Strike?

Heck no!

In fact, I'm flying my but off next week.

Sleep tight, America. . . .

[shorning]

Ah...sounds like we're playing right into his plan...

[AlphaSigOU]

Strike, schmike! I'm on vacation this week. DILLIGAFF about this so-called 'strike'? I don't have a dog in this fight.

[isuhawkeye]

this is not a fare web pole.  If you were on strike wouldnt you not be on a CAP related web site?

[RogueLeader]

this is not a fare web pole.  If you were on strike wouldnt you not be on a CAP related web site?

lmao,rotf, lol

[RiverAux]

One could say that participating in a CAP discussion board could be considered contrary to the best interests of CAP leadership....

[JC004]

One could say that participating in a CAP discussion board could be considered contrary to the best interests of CAP leadership....

[LtCol White]

You do realize that by starting threads like this you only encourage the individual to continue to create division because you are letting him succeed in engaging everyone in more discussion on his topics of interest. The best tactic is to ignore. When he doesn't get the attention he wants, he'll stop.

[Capt M. Sherrod]

^^ Couldn't have said it better.  It's the same tactic I use on my 3 year old.

[Nomex Maximus]

I'd like to be on strike but some guy at NHQ with a funny Cuban sounding accent called me up and wanted me to take a test that day...

[Pylon]

I'd like to be on strike but some guy at NHQ with a funny Cuban sounding accent called me up and wanted me to take a test that day...

[JC004]

I'd like to be on strike but some guy at NHQ with a funny Cuban sounding accent called me up and wanted me to take a test that day...

Same answer here.   

[RogueLeader]

I'd like to be on strike but some guy at NHQ with a funny Cuban sounding accent called me up and wanted me to take a test that day...

Same answer here.   

Good, for a while, I thought it was just me

[LtCol White]

I'd like to be on strike but some guy at NHQ with a funny Cuban sounding accent called me up and wanted me to take a test that day...

Same answer here.   

Good, for a while, I thought it was just me

It was nice chatting with all of you on here while it lasted...the dark vans left Maxwell AFB about 30 mins ago heading north. 

[BillB]

Vans heading north ??   that's OK I'm south.

[shorning]

Vans heading north ??   that's OK I'm south.

If one travels far enough, you're north.   

[SarDragon]

Vans heading north ??   that's OK I'm south.

If one travels far enough, you're north.   

Folks from that far south don't know how to drive in ice and snow. 

[edit] ooh, ooh, post #1000!

[BillB]

Dave...  What's snow? What you get on the TV set when the TV station goes off the air?

[floridacyclist]

Y'all talking about North and South has me confused. FL is the only state in the nation where the further North you drive, the further South you get..and vice versa.

[Lancer]

Y'all talking about North and South has me confused. FL is the only state in the nation where the further North you drive, the further South you get..and vice versa.

So, from what your saying, central Florida is nothing but transplants and retiree's from the North? 

[davedove]

Y'all talking about North and South has me confused. FL is the only state in the nation where the further North you drive, the further South you get..and vice versa.

So, from what your saying, central Florida is nothing but transplants and retiree's from the North? 

Well, at least until you get to Miami.  Then suddenly you're in Cuba, speaking Spanish and everything.

[Galahad]

How should one vote if their wing is so messed up that no one can tell if anyone is on strike or not? 

[RiverAux]

Are YOU on strike?

[BillB]

It's easy to tell if anyone in your wing is on strike. Turn in paperwork for something and if it takes six months to a year, they are not on strike. If it takes over a year, then they are on strike.

[Galahad]

Are YOU on strike?

I guess my answer would be no.  In my wing information flow is strictly top-down.  If a member were to participate in CAPSAC it's unlikely any of the upper echelon commanders would hear about it. As a concept, strikes are effective only if management believes they will be held accountable by the stockholders for production failures.   

[Galahad]

It's easy to tell if anyone in your wing is on strike. Turn in paperwork for something and if it takes six months to a year, they are not on strike. If it takes over a year, then they are on strike.

   

[RiverAux]

Information flow isn't what they're talking about.  They're talking about not going to meetings, not sending paperwork up to be processed, etc.  

[Sgt. Savage]

I'll strike except for on meeting night and if there's a mission.... Otherwise, I'll abstain from going to meeting or participating in missions.

[Viper QA]

I think the whole "strike" idea is ridicules. What is it going to prove? If members take part in this nonsense it is only going to hurt folks who have nothing to do with the reason for it....like cadets.

I think people get too wrapped up in the politics of CAP & forget what CAP is really about. Unless you are a Wing CC or higher you should just forget about all that garbadge!

If you're an ES guy or gal concentrate on your mission. If your involved in Cadet Programs then concentrate on the cadets....they are really what the program is about.

I am currently the CC of a Cadet Squadron & the cadet program is what has kept me in CAP. If I were to "strike" it would only hurt our cadets. What would that accomplish?

Remember why you joined the program & forget about all the political nonsense. Let the individual who started all the "strike" talk just fade away.

Just my 2 cents as a 20+ year CAP member.

[Skyray]

I really, really, really wanted to strike, but I got fired.

[a2capt]

I really, really, really wanted to strike, but I got fired.

TP gitcha on the way out? 

Of course, that would mean usurping someone else's command    .. he wouldn't do that.. naw... 

[SM-MADDOG]

First of all I have to say no we shouldnt go on strike. We serve a country, state and community. But if it turns out wrong things have been done then I think we the membership maybe we can take other options besides a "strike" to make things better. I know this is part of the Air Force CAP but I do think we should be allowed to vote on certain things from uniforms to very important things.

Now as far as this Investigation is going, just bnecause you are being investigated does not mean you have done anything wrong. Even if you are terminated dont mean you done anything wrong. I have a friend that was terminated by a Local PD and the Union Took it to court it was found that not only did he not do anything wrong that people in the City Government Lied about many things amoung other issues. Not only was he hired back the court ordered the city to pay him over 35,000 for back pay and other fees. He then transfered to another Law Enforcement Agency in which he is on the Command Staff now as a LT.

So we must wait to hear the outcome and see some facts. here is one problem I got. I also have this problem in Law Enforcement Issues to.

It was said that Pineda had someone take a test for him. here is my question. Why would such a person do this. Why would this guy take a test for him knowing it may be against rules/reg and who knows maybe even the law. Even if he was ordered why would such a person violate rules and maybe law ?

I heard of a incident where a Col Police Cheif told a Police Officer to rip up a DUI's arrest ticket and papers. Why would an Officer do this. And alot say that you can get in trouble for not going by the cheifs orderes. However it seems to me it is wrong and maybe also illegal to do such a thing. If a Supervisor or commander told you to shoot someone would you do it lol ? I feel that if this is indeed what happended we need to start makeing changes not only in CAP but other public/private safety services. We need to make it clear that not only the commander will get in trouble also the person with lower rank. Wrong is wrong anyway you look at it.

But again we need to wait till the outcome of this "investigation". Dont jump the gun. I was a police explorer 5 yrs and have been a security officer 3 yrs and involved in other groups that provide protection for life/property etc. I know first hand that you cant ju8mp the gun. Just because billy johnson said rob johnson did wrong dont mean he did. Allow the system to plays it roll then we can go from that point.

Stay Safe Everyone and have a great day