AEPSM and Yeager

RogueLeader · July 10, 2007, 04:20:10 PM

i have taken the Aepsm test, and passed. The online certificate was posted to e-services, but the Yeager Ribbon has not? Is this common?

IceNine · July 10, 2007, 04:24:06 PM

yep, you wing AEO has to foreward the award in his report before you will get your credit on eservices

davedove · July 10, 2007, 04:36:13 PM

To the best of my knowledge, the award itself is not posted in eservices. It does list that you passed the test. I looked at the records of those in my unit with the award, and only the passing of the test is recorded in eservices.

Of course, as has been said, even this doesn't happen until it goes through the wing AEO.

RogueLeader · July 10, 2007, 04:40:09 PM

It went through the AEO, so I can wear the ribbon, right?

davedove · July 10, 2007, 04:50:13 PM

In eservices, on the Member Search report (I know there are problems with that right now), under the section for training on your record, there will be a listing for AEPSM. If the listing is there, it has processed through wing, and I would say you could wear the award.

Also, the award will be listed in Volunteer magazine.

Potomac Grays · July 10, 2007, 05:17:45 PM

Why does the Wing AEO need to be involved at all? it seems an added burden to already overworked volunteers. Once it's posted to E-Services, having the Wing AEO "certify" the accomplishment seems redundant, and a waste of scarce volunteer resources...

RogueLeader · July 10, 2007, 05:46:31 PM

No, I sent it to the WG/AEO, and she posted it to national. Since it is online, I don't know why it had to go to wing though.

jimmydeanno · July 10, 2007, 06:00:27 PM

^because then what would the Wing AEO do, if not collect AE reports and process yeagers???

IceNine · July 10, 2007, 06:24:46 PM

It has to go through the AEO just like ES Quals must go through ESO, Comm Quals through Comms etc. So that they can maintain records on the completions, keep stats for the wing, and send out the certificates. There is a system of checks and balances in every area of CAP we just become accustomed to them over time and they no longer seem such a burden.

jimmydeanno · July 10, 2007, 06:42:33 PM

Quote from: J.Hendricks on July 10, 2007, 06:24:46 PM
So that they can maintain records on the completions, keep stats for the wing

tangent: maintain records on completions keep stats for the wing...so they can tell national when they get inspected...

Honestly it is a broken system as it stands. Member takes, national records and updates record, member notifies wing so that wing can notify national who has already processed the info...

Eclipse · July 10, 2007, 07:02:14 PM

Quote from: J.Hendricks on July 10, 2007, 06:24:46 PM
It has to go through the AEO just like ES Quals must go through ESO, Comm Quals through Comms etc. So that they can maintain records on the completions, keep stats for the wing, and send out the certificates. There is a system of checks and balances in every area of CAP we just become accustomed to them over time and they no longer seem such a burden.

As a practical matter, I believe Wing physically prints the certs.

IceNine · July 10, 2007, 07:05:44 PM

Well they do now that we have a printer capable of handling that size. Apparently the calligraphy pen ran out

Pylon · July 10, 2007, 07:11:10 PM

Quote from: J.Hendricks on July 10, 2007, 07:05:44 PM
Apparently the calligraphy pen ran out

Our Wing AEO hand calligraphers all of the Yeager certificates. They actually turn out really nice.

Eclipse · July 10, 2007, 07:50:59 PM

Quote from: Pylon on July 10, 2007, 07:11:10 PM
Quote from: J.Hendricks on July 10, 2007, 07:05:44 PM
Apparently the calligraphy pen ran out

Our Wing AEO hand calligraphers all of the Yeager certificates. They actually turn out really nice.

consider yourself lucky....

James Shaw · July 11, 2007, 12:37:15 PM

I will offer my services for this. I have been a professional calligrapher for 20 years. If you send the certificates to me I will do the lettering for them at no cost and you can pay for the return shipping. I also have a large format printer that can print them. It will print up to 13X22 posters. You would just need to show "proof positive" of authorization.

dwb · July 11, 2007, 08:03:16 PM

Quote from: Potomac Grays on July 10, 2007, 05:17:45 PMWhy does the Wing AEO need to be involved at all? it seems an added burden to already overworked volunteers. Once it's posted to E-Services, having the Wing AEO "certify" the accomplishment seems redundant, and a waste of scarce volunteer resources...

Good question. The answer is that the process hasn't caught up yet.

Other s'member awards are printed at NHQ and mailed right to the unit, but the Yeager still goes through the Wing AE office. I suspect that will change someday, especially as more people complete the online version. Maybe there will be a different process for the folks that take the paper test.

You can always run it up the chain of command and, if your Wing CC agrees, maybe he/she can make a motion at the next NB meeting to streamline the process.

acarlson · July 12, 2007, 02:14:05 AM

Quote from: Eclipse on July 10, 2007, 07:02:14 PM
Quote from: J.Hendricks on July 10, 2007, 06:24:46 PM
It has to go through the AEO just like ES Quals must go through ESO, Comm Quals through Comms etc. So that they can maintain records on the completions, keep stats for the wing, and send out the certificates. There is a system of checks and balances in every area of CAP we just become accustomed to them over time and they no longer seem such a burden.

As a practical matter, I believe Wing physically prints the certs.

not any more..

the test gets recorded on your eServices record immediately.

the Cert. is now printable - letter size - in pdf form immediately after you pass.

If the AEPSM is recorded on your NHQ eServices record... you're authorized to wear the Yeager ribbon.

paperless!

Capt M. Sherrod · July 25, 2007, 02:15:48 PM

The following is a copy of an e-mail that I recently sent out to all of my squadron members who had not yet passed the AEPSM test. I made this as generic but warm as possible and then sent it to myself in the To: field the CC in the Cc: field and all the recipients in the Bcc: field. That way, it looks more personal. Please feel free to use it if you think it will work for you. I'll post later with some feedback on the number of responses it generated.

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Hello,

I want to take this time to personally invite you to complete the Aerospace Education Program for Senior Members (AEPSM). As I am sure you are aware, one of CAP's three missions is Aerospace Education. That mission is further defined by the following three points found in CAP Reg 280-2:

a. The authority for CAP's aerospace education and training mission is derived from Title 36 of the United States Code, Section 40302. The law states that among the organization's purposes are "To provide an organization to encourage and aid citizens of the United States in contributing their efforts, services, and resources in developing aviation and in maintaining air supremacy" and "To provide aviation education and training especially to its senior and cadet members."

b. CAP aerospace education programs implement the AE mission's goals and objectives. These AE programs provide an understanding and appreciation of aviation and space exploration in our world. Aerospace education communicates knowledge, skills, and attitudes relating to aerospace activities and the total impact of air and space technology upon society.

c. CAP members are obligated to involve themselves in aerospace education. Members are required to:

(1) Be informed on aerospace developments and issues.

(2) Speak out on aerospace matters at appropriate formal occasions and during informal daily contacts.

(3) Share aerospace knowledge and experiences with other CAP members and the general public.

The AEPSM, is the first step in this process. This element is a self-paced study based on the CAP text, Aerospace: The Journey of Flight. All senior members have the responsibility to read and become knowledgeable with the content of this text. Once members are ready to take the Yeager test, they have three options, open book, closed book, or on-line.

This text can be found by logging in to e-Services at www.capnhq.gov. Once you are logged in, if you look on the left side of the page, under CAP Utilities, you will see a link for Aerospace: The Journey of Fight. When you click on this link, it will take you to the electronic copy of the text book. You will see that the book is broken down by chapter for easy downloading. After you have downloaded each of the chapters, you will need a copy of Adobe Reader to view the .pdf files. If you do not have a copy of Adobe Reader, you can download one from the main page of e-Services (at the bottom of the page under the section "Downloads").

Now that you have all of the files, and are able to read them, you will want to open a new internet window and go to the following link:

https://tests.cap.af.mil/ops/tests/default.cfm?Message=Ok&grp=ae&CFID=41101&CFTOKEN=76927385

You will need to select Yeager Award #1. Do not worry about # 2 at this time; it is only needed if you were to fail Award #1. Once you have successfully passed the test, please send me an e-mail letting me know that you have passed the test, and I will take care of letting the Wing DAE (Director of Aerospace Education) know that you have completed the requirements for the AEPSM.

Please feel free to e-mail me or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx if you have any other questions that I can answer for you.

Fifinella · July 25, 2007, 03:33:00 PM

^^Nicely done. Thank you for sharing this resource.

dhon27 · July 25, 2007, 06:29:57 PM

^^ Concur. Excellent overview of the process!

LtCol Hooligan · July 25, 2007, 06:34:29 PM

I hope you don't mind, but I borrowed this and sent it to my Officers as well!! This was great!!

Capt M. Sherrod · July 25, 2007, 06:40:29 PM

Share and share alike, I'm glad that I was able to offer something that I have come up with. There is a lot of good information available on this forum that gets to the heart of what we do, underneath all of the uniform and grade and conspiracy discussions...

RogueLeader · July 25, 2007, 07:30:48 PM

Quote from: 2d Lt M. Sherrod on July 25, 2007, 06:40:29 PM
Share and share alike, I'm glad that I was able to offer something that I have come up with. There is a lot of good information available on this forum that gets to the heart of what we do, underneath all of the uniform and grade and conspiracy discussions...

That is what I love about this forum.

But no in a weird way. . . . .