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Started by Xeno, May 25, 2005, 04:11:08 AM

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Xeno

This is something thats been on my mind for a while now.
Are O.D. Green Jungle Boots authorized for wear with BDUS?

I've seen some guys wear them SAREXs and Encampment although  haven't been able to locate anything regarding these boots in 39-1.
C/1st Lt. Josh Sims
C/CC SWR-AR-095

121.5 -- If you crash, we will dash...

abysmal

39-1 Table 2-3. Men's and Women's Battle Dress Uniforms
Line 4 Footwear (Combat Boots) Black, with or without safety toe, plain rounded toe or rounded capped toe with or without perforated seam. Zipper or elastic inserts optional, smooth or scotch-grained leather or man-made material, and may have a high gloss or patent finish.

(Hot-weather Tropical Boots) Green, or black cloth, or canvas and black leather with plain toe with zipper or elastic inserts.
2LT Christopher M. Parrett
[red]Deputy Commander of Cadets, Cadet Programs Officer[/red]
London Bridge Composite Squadron 501
SWR-AZ-112,  Lake Havasu City, Arizona

MIKE

While authorized, I find jungle boots of either color to be a poor choice of boot for CAP.  Almost everyone who buys them will buy a budget pair costing around $20.  I had a pair of these boots WIWAC and wore them to an air show at Hanscom AFB.  At the end of three days on the flight line these boots  were worn out.  They also provide little support for your ankles etc IMO... And if you want them to be comfortable to wear you better get some decent insoles for them.

Many people have them up here in NER and they are a horrible choice of boot for a New England winter.

If you must have a pair, get an issue pair or ones that aren't so cheap.

Order here.


Order OD here.
Order black here.

Places to shop around:
www.actiongear.com
www.uscav.com
www.rangerjoes.com

I want a pair of these myself:
Mike Johnston

Xeno

Quote from: MIKE on May 25, 2005, 03:50:18 PM
I want a pair of these myself:


I'm currently wearing Airtak Side Zips in a similar fashion to these. They're good for cold wearther although they're a bit to heavy for my liking. I also noticed that they scratch easily and are harder to satisfactorily polish. They're not too good for summer time, especially if it gets hot where you live like it does here in Southwest Arkansas. Whatever you do, don't submerge them in water, unlike jungle boots these have no type of ventilation or drainage in them, meaning, they hold water. I made the mistake of running an AF Security Forces O-course at Little Rock AFB in them. By the time I was done I was literally standing in water up to my knees. I had my BDUs tucked into my boots and the water simply had nowhere to go.

On the upside they are very comfortable, it feels like your wearing regular old tennis shoes.
Well, thanks for the help all.
C/1st Lt. Josh Sims
C/CC SWR-AR-095

121.5 -- If you crash, we will dash...

abysmal

This is NOT a cheap solution.
But these are what I wear and they solve the problem VERY nicely.
Combination Jungle style boot, which a High gloss polishable toe cap on them.





"Spit Shineable" Leather Toe Cap and Counter
* Cordura® High Performance Fabric Vamp and Quarters
* Original Cap Toe
* Garrison Army Munson Last for Superior Fit
* Cambrelle® Breathable Moisture Wicking Lining
* Webbing Reinforcement for Ankle Support
* Flexible Stainless Steel Plate Built into Outsole for Puncture Resistance
* Special Ribbed Steel Paratrooper Shank for Support
* Extra Firm Heavy Duty Military Counters and Box Toes
* Speed Lacing
* High Performance Laces
* DRYZ® Moisture/Odor Control Shock Absorbing Cushioned Insoles
* Exclusive Falcon Polyurethane Comfort System, Oil Resistant, Non-Marking Outsoles
* Made in the U.S.A.

2LT Christopher M. Parrett
[red]Deputy Commander of Cadets, Cadet Programs Officer[/red]
London Bridge Composite Squadron 501
SWR-AZ-112,  Lake Havasu City, Arizona

MIKE



The above boots are Infantry Combat Boots by Bates... They have a Gore-tex liner.  These ones happen to be seconds and are available from www.sportsmansguide.com .  I have had good luck with getting boots from them, most as seconds including my current side-zip jump boots.  Only bad experience has been the jungle boots which I also got from SG.

Two cadets in my unit have these boots.  Didn't seem too heavy to me when I checked them out.  If I do end up getting them I will end up paying a lot less than these cadets did.  
Mike Johnston

MIKE

Got my Infantry Combat Boots today... Man these things are sweet.  They are supposed to be seconds, but I can find nothing thats really wrong with them.

One thing I noticed is that the wear and care booklet that came with them says you are not supposed to apply any kind of polish to them or spit shine them... The cadets that have them said they don't shine well anyway, much like the older speed-lace combat boots.
Mike Johnston

PWK-GT

For us big-city folks, I went w/ an old reliable..........gen-yoo-wine CORCORAN jump boots. Great support, easy to keep up, and fit the backside of most problematic A1c's.  ;)
But, as with anything good, they ain't cheap. :P
"Is it Friday yet"


PhoenixRisen

Does anyone know where you can find boots that are taller than the average 11 in. combat boots?

SarDragon

Why would you want boots higher than that? That's high enough to provide proper ankle support, and lower leg protection. Most boots higher than that need to be custom made to allow for differences in calf size, and are VERY expensive. Even off-the-shelf motorcycle cop boots are $400 a pair, and those are not really suitable for CAP use.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

PhoenixRisen

Quote from: SarDragon on July 10, 2005, 05:29:45 AM
Why would you want boots higher than that? That's high enough to provide proper ankle support, and lower leg protection. Most boots higher than that need to be custom made to allow for differences in calf size, and are VERY expensive. Even off-the-shelf motorcycle cop boots are $400 a pair, and those are not really suitable for CAP use.

'cause i like high boots :)

Pylon

Quote from: CALcadet144 on July 10, 2005, 06:23:37 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 10, 2005, 05:29:45 AM
Why would you want boots higher than that? That's high enough to provide proper ankle support, and lower leg protection. Most boots higher than that need to be custom made to allow for differences in calf size, and are VERY expensive. Even off-the-shelf motorcycle cop boots are $400 a pair, and those are not really suitable for CAP use.

'cause i like high boots :)

Although the only other option besides the aforementioned expensive motorcyle-cop boots or expensive custom-made boots, would be East German surplus NCO & Officer riding boots.  The Germans, if you might recall, had a thing for the high boots as well. 

Original WWII boots are collectors items, those that still survive and have pliable leather, and are waaaaay too expensive even just to own (plus, any historian would kill ya for actually trying to wear a real pair). 

However, many of the German (read: Prussian) military traditions and uniform styles carried over into the East German army during the Cold war.  When East Germany collapsed suddenly, there were litterally warehouses full of DDR uniforms and uniform accessories.  They're still fairly cheap.

You can check places, like Tridentmilitary.com who carry all sorts of World militaria surplus.  See their boot page:  http://tridentmilitary.com/Boots.htm

For $39.95, you could snag a pair of these:

Michael F. Kieloch, Maj, CAP

pixelwonk

Quote from: Pylon on July 10, 2005, 06:59:44 PM
You can check places, like Tridentmilitary.com who carry all sorts of World militaria surplus.  See their boot page:  http://tridentmilitary.com/Boots.htm

For $39.95, you could snag a pair of these:

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Not that I've done this, because I haven't... but those would be good for all you Star Wars people doing the costume dealio too.
http://www.501st.com/default.html

Pylon

Quote from: tedda on July 10, 2005, 07:36:40 PM
Quote from: Pylon on July 10, 2005, 06:59:44 PM
You can check places, like Tridentmilitary.com who carry all sorts of World militaria surplus.  See their boot page:  http://tridentmilitary.com/Boots.htm

For $39.95, you could snag a pair of these:

[img] redacted

Not that I've done this, because I haven't... but those would be good for all you Star Wars people doing the costume dealio too.
http://www.501st.com/default.html

Yeah, they're a pretty good steal, especially when you consider they're also a piece of cold war history and German made.  None of that Chinese import or poor workmanship you might see in a similarly-priced boots today.
Michael F. Kieloch, Maj, CAP

PhoenixRisen

Quote from: Pylon on July 10, 2005, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: CALcadet144 on July 10, 2005, 06:23:37 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 10, 2005, 05:29:45 AM
Why would you want boots higher than that? That's high enough to provide proper ankle support, and lower leg protection. Most boots higher than that need to be custom made to allow for differences in calf size, and are VERY expensive. Even off-the-shelf motorcycle cop boots are $400 a pair, and those are not really suitable for CAP use.

'cause i like high boots :)

Although the only other option besides the aforementioned expensive motorcyle-cop boots or expensive custom-made boots, would be East German surplus NCO & Officer riding boots.  The Germans, if you might recall, had a thing for the high boots as well. 

Original WWII boots are collectors items, those that still survive and have pliable leather, and are waaaaay too expensive even just to own (plus, any historian would kill ya for actually trying to wear a real pair). 

However, many of the German (read: Prussian) military traditions and uniform styles carried over into the East German army during the Cold war.  When East Germany collapsed suddenly, there were litterally warehouses full of DDR uniforms and uniform accessories.  They're still fairly cheap.

You can check places, like Tridentmilitary.com who carry all sorts of World militaria surplus.  See their boot page:  http://tridentmilitary.com/Boots.htm

For $39.95, you could snag a pair of these:



Would those be authorized with the BDUs though?

pixelwonk

Long answer: Verboten! Dumpkopf!

short answer: no  ::)


Pylon

Quote from: CALcadet144
Would those be authorized with the BDUs though?

Heh, no.

But they'd make a great "bling" for your paintballing/camping/re-enacting outfit.
Michael F. Kieloch, Maj, CAP

arajca

Quote from: CALcadet144 on July 10, 2005, 11:03:19 PM
Would those be authorized with the BDUs though?
They would be authorized with the field uniform, though.

SarDragon

Quote from: arajca on July 11, 2005, 03:13:35 AM
Quote from: CALcadet144 on July 10, 2005, 11:03:19 PM
Would those be authorized with the BDUs though?
They would be authorized with the field uniform, though.
But not advised because of their shortfalls in performance areas for which "Footwear (Combat Boots)" are specified. The ankle support is minimal, and most folks end up with heel rubbing because of fit issues.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Buzz

Quote from: MIKE on May 25, 2005, 03:50:18 PM
While authorized, I find jungle boots of either color to be a poor choice of boot for CAP. 


Same here.  The ONLY times that I wear jungle boots are when immersion foot is a possibility, or doing ES in conditions where I am likely to be wading, such as typhoon response.

I generally wear a pair of Corcoran II jump boots.  They are so comfortable that I wear them all the time, except when barefoot, sandals or running shoes are a better option. A pair will cost about $125 but the pair I'm wearing now have lasted me 4 years of near-daily wear.