...are encouraged to initially remove CAP professional development ribbons...
Cadets may choose to reduce the height of their ribbon bar...
Thanks! Now for short stacking, can you pick the ribbons or is it like the highest three?
Quote...are encouraged to initially remove CAP professional development ribbons...Why the choice? Why not the lowest awards? Or keep awards of their choice???Is it because the PD awards are indicated mostly by the grade attained?
Honestly, what would be the point of loading up a rack with CSAs?
Quote from: EMT-83 on February 05, 2017, 11:21:10 AMHonestly, what would be the point of loading up a rack with CSAs?Because you earned them?
QuoteCadets may choose to reduce the height of their ribbon bar...BWAHAHAHAHA! Cadets removing ribbons. That's rich.
The verbiage does not appear to allow for more then two of the same ribbon in those circumstances,however it's probably one of those things NHQ didn't consider as it's so rare. Best to contact them in that case.CAPR 39-3, page 4-5http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/R039_003_83459660D4F44.pdf"b. Subsequent awards of the same decoration or ribbon are denoted by the CAP bronzetriangular clasp, worn on the ribbon of the original award. A CAP silver triangular clasp isequivalent to, and is worn in the place of, five bronze claps. Silver clasps are placed to the wearer’sright side of a bronze clasp. A maximum of four devices may be worn on any ribbon, unless otherwise stated in this regulation. When the number of devices exceeds the authorized maximum, asecond ribbon is worn to the wearer’s left of the initial ribbon. The second ribbon counts as onesubsequent award. When future awards reduce the devices to a single ribbon the second ribbon willbe removed. Devices are illustrated in Attachment 3."With that said, and without intending to raise the argument again about "what" is considered community service, anyone clocking more then 2500 CSA hours in a typical CAP career is probably getting a pretty liberal interpretation of what is acceptable, or they are just swinging by CAPonce every couple months to pick up their CSA, and not doing much for CAP. I'd probably also be in the camp of a 3rd ribbon being excessive, regardless of earning it or not.
If this "award" is apparently so easy to get, why is the bar for it so low? Double the hours required.
Quote from: THRAWN on February 06, 2017, 02:07:01 PMIf this "award" is apparently so easy to get, why is the bar for it so low? Double the hours required.I don't know, what's 60 hours worth to you? I'd rather spend it with family/on CAP projects, rather than other organizations to get credit in CAP. But to each his own.
Quote from: Майор Хаткевич on February 06, 2017, 02:08:45 PMQuote from: THRAWN on February 06, 2017, 02:07:01 PMIf this "award" is apparently so easy to get, why is the bar for it so low? Double the hours required.I don't know, what's 60 hours worth to you? I'd rather spend it with family/on CAP projects, rather than other organizations to get credit in CAP. But to each his own.Concur. It just seems that if this is a true award, it should have some more meaty requirements attached to it.
That is more meat than what is attached to the Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal. The criteria for that is completely up to individual commanders unless a HHQ defines it.
Quote from: kwe1009 on February 06, 2017, 05:02:47 PMThat is more meat than what is attached to the Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal. The criteria for that is completely up to individual commanders unless a HHQ defines it.Except the reasoning behind a military CSA, vs. CAP even having one, are different.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 06, 2017, 05:28:07 PMQuote from: kwe1009 on February 06, 2017, 05:02:47 PMThat is more meat than what is attached to the Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal. The criteria for that is completely up to individual commanders unless a HHQ defines it.Except the reasoning behind a military CSA, vs. CAP even having one, are different.My point was that you really can't complain about the low mark to earn the CSA when there is no real threshold for a military member to earn the MOVSM. Both recognize volunteer service outside of their respective organization. CAP encouraging volunteer service outside of CAP never really made sense to me. How many other volunteer organizations encourage their volunteers to also go spend their time helping other volunteer activities and then recognize them for that effort? Most volunteer organizations that I have been around spend their time getting people to give more time/money to them, not other organizations.
CAP encouraging volunteer service outside of CAP never really made sense to me. How many other volunteer organizations encourage their volunteers to also go spend their time helping other volunteer activities and then recognize them for that effort? Most volunteer organizations that I have been around spend their time getting people to give more time/money to them, not other organizations.
+1 to both. Unit CC's job is maintaining his unit's readiness and manning, not encouraging participation elsewhere. If people are active elsewhere, great, those organizations can, and likely do recognize them.Does the ARC give awards for CAP service?
Nope. They are both the same. George Bush Sr. instituted the MOVSM as part of the Thousand Points of Light to encourage military people to volunteer outside of the military. Exactly the same purpose as the CSA.
The Boy Scouts do.
Quote from: kwe1009 on February 06, 2017, 05:40:54 PMQuote from: Eclipse on February 06, 2017, 05:28:07 PMQuote from: kwe1009 on February 06, 2017, 05:02:47 PMThat is more meat than what is attached to the Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal. The criteria for that is completely up to individual commanders unless a HHQ defines it.Except the reasoning behind a military CSA, vs. CAP even having one, are different.My point was that you really can't complain about the low mark to earn the CSA when there is no real threshold for a military member to earn the MOVSM. Both recognize volunteer service outside of their respective organization. CAP encouraging volunteer service outside of CAP never really made sense to me. How many other volunteer organizations encourage their volunteers to also go spend their time helping other volunteer activities and then recognize them for that effort? Most volunteer organizations that I have been around spend their time getting people to give more time/money to them, not other organizations.Agreed. I love when the organization is wringing their collective hands over how hard it is to recruit, train and retain quality volunteers at the same time giving them an award for spending their time elsewhere. This is a participation trophy.