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Eclipse
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2016, 07:22:11 PM »

If you feel that strong about not discussing Mattis, did you ever presented any of these topics? Or engaged in those discussions?

That's a straw man, ad humidor or something.  Those are all related directly to a CAP members core experience, trivial or not.

A discussion of the ramifications of a respected, pro-military leader as SECDEF is at least tangentially relevent to CAP, the trouble
is the risk that it devolves into an irrelevant partisan discussion.

#everyonessecdef
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Luis R. Ramos
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2016, 07:37:29 PM »

I feel it is not.

We have a member presenting a topic (Gen Mattis) that will affect us in the future. Another member complains that he should not be discussed as he is not approved.

So is in the same sense, there are members presenting for discussion topics that have not been approved.

The comparison is appropriate. Just like those topics are all related to a member's core.


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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2016, 08:21:14 PM »

If you feel that strong about not discussing Mattis, did you ever presented any of these topics? Or engaged in those discussions?

That's a straw man, ad humidor or something.  Those are all related directly to a CAP members core experience, trivial or not.

A discussion of the ramifications of a respected, pro-military leader as SECDEF is at least tangentially relevent to CAP, the trouble
is the risk that it devolves into an irrelevant partisan discussion.

#everyonessecdef
I think he meant to use your Cadet Rhodey Rhodes thread as a prime example of significantly less relevant CAP threads.  ;)

#winning
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2016, 08:51:47 PM »

The wavering issue is waived by Congress.  We have a Republican President, House and Senate.  He will get his waiver.


NOT


The Republicans don't have the votes for cloture
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2016, 09:03:03 PM »

This is what I was thinking too...

General Mattis is a student of the military arts. He reads quite a bit, and is well spoken and well informed on topics.

By all accounts, he's the kind of high-level leader that doesn't need tons of interaction to be able to grasp what kind of "force multiplier" that CAP can be if he gets a good brief on the kinds of missions we're doing.   He didn't need a ton of interaction with, say, Marine Aviation (as a ground pounder) to "get" what it does for him as a combatant commander.

Volunteer or not, CAP is an asset, an arrow in the Air Force's quiver.  Much like Secretary Carter's memo in November, there is knowledge and understanding of Civil Air Patrol at the Secretary-level in DoD.  After meeting Secretary James last night and hearing her speak, I have no doubt that CAP's capabilities and assets are part of any number of briefings not only in DAF, but DoD.
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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2016, 07:03:26 PM »

Alaric, how many months were wasted discussing the possibility of us getting the ABU before we were finally given the go ahead by the US Air Force?

How many years have been wasted by the membership discussing whether we are ever getting a flight cap, or any other hat for the gray uniform?!!!

How many months have members discussed (wasted?) about getting the green boots for the ABUs, even after the Air Force said black boots only?

If you feel that strong about not discussing Mattis, did you ever presented any of these topics? Or engaged in those discussions?

I'd have to review but I don't believe so, I've never cared about the ABU as I am not qualified to wear one.  I have discussed getting the need for a single uniform though
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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2016, 09:10:11 PM »

The wavering issue is waived by Congress.  We have a Republican President, House and Senate.  He will get his waiver.


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The Republicans don't have the votes for cloture
HA... OK... and in Jan, General Mattis will still be SecDef.  Enjoy.
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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2016, 11:20:25 AM »

 ;)
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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2016, 11:29:00 AM »

;)

I love you guys. You can kid without becoming fourth points of contact. Nicely played, Doc.

Much love,
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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2017, 03:54:21 PM »



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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2017, 09:02:25 AM »

Indeed.

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2017, 04:04:06 PM »

The wavering issue is waived by Congress.  We have a Republican President, House and Senate.  He will get his waiver.


NOT


The Republicans don't have the votes for cloture
HA... OK... and in Jan, General Mattis will still be SecDef.  Enjoy.

And it's now March, and he is still SecDef.
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