Being old school, we used to call it common sense... Just sayin', you know, like "don't stick your head in that there prop".
Quote from: AirAux on December 01, 2016, 02:42:25 PMBeing old school, we used to call it common sense... Just sayin', you know, like "don't stick your head in that there prop".Sounds like a line from the movie "Down Periscope"
Quote from: capmandone on December 01, 2016, 02:56:43 PMQuote from: AirAux on December 01, 2016, 02:42:25 PMBeing old school, we used to call it common sense... Just sayin', you know, like "don't stick your head in that there prop".Sounds like a line from the movie "Down Periscope"That movie isn't exactly a stunning example of safety .
The difference with CAP safety regs and the rest of the free world is that CAP safety rules offer very little value. The firey hoop of the monthly safety briefing seldom, if ever, offered any tangible benefit to the membership. Speaking as a FAA safety professional, have all the rules you want, but make them mean something and give value to your people.
"Most organizations where people are being paid to adhere to safety protocols already have a hard time ensuring everyone follows procedures. A volunteer organization makes it that much more difficult."Nah. Don't follow the safety rules in a paid environment, you get third prize. Want to know what that is? You're fired.I've been a member of more than one volunteer organization and never knew of any issues with members following safety rules. Fire departments have plenty of them. Like it's hard to hang on the back of the rig on the way to a call...The difference with CAP safety regs and the rest of the free world is that CAP safety rules offer very little value. The firey hoop of the monthly safety briefing seldom, if ever, offered any tangible benefit to the membership. Speaking as a FAA safety professional, have all the rules you want, but make them mean something and give value to your people.
For about a week last year, and based on personal conversations I had with the national safety directorate, the rhetoric was that there would be a shift from the current climate of checkboxes, to one of analysis and discussion of mishaps to share mistakes and best practices.
Quote from: THRAWN on December 01, 2016, 03:31:01 PMThe difference with CAP safety regs and the rest of the free world is that CAP safety rules offer very little value. The firey hoop of the monthly safety briefing seldom, if ever, offered any tangible benefit to the membership. Speaking as a FAA safety professional, have all the rules you want, but make them mean something and give value to your people.The primary value of the average CAP safety briefing is 15 minutes to rest your eyes so you don't fall asleep on the way home, so I guess in that vein they have merit.For about a week last year, and based on personal conversations I had with the national safety directorate, the rhetoric was that there would be a shift from the current climate of checkboxes, to one of analysis and discussion of mishaps to share mistakes and best practices.I believe it was the very next round of Beacons that went back to encouraging the heat stress, distracted driving and similar time-wasting nonsensewhich encompasses the majority of the briefings.
Quote from: Eclipse on December 01, 2016, 03:36:36 PMQuote from: THRAWN on December 01, 2016, 03:31:01 PMThe difference with CAP safety regs and the rest of the free world is that CAP safety rules offer very little value. The firey hoop of the monthly safety briefing seldom, if ever, offered any tangible benefit to the membership. Speaking as a FAA safety professional, have all the rules you want, but make them mean something and give value to your people.The primary value of the average CAP safety briefing is 15 minutes to rest your eyes so you don't fall asleep on the way home, so I guess in that vein they have merit.For about a week last year, and based on personal conversations I had with the national safety directorate, the rhetoric was that there would be a shift from the current climate of checkboxes, to one of analysis and discussion of mishaps to share mistakes and best practices.I believe it was the very next round of Beacons that went back to encouraging the heat stress, distracted driving and similar time-wasting nonsensewhich encompasses the majority of the briefings.I was an SE at a couple different levels and am neck deep in SMS/SAS/RM professionally. The bold above is the way it should be done. The issue is, as I see it, there are few actual aviation safety professionals in the ranks. There are a lot of GA fliers, but that doesn't make them safety pros anymore than driving a car makes me a mechanic. The actual program is simple to administer, but it is treated as an after thought at best. Mostly, it's assigned to someone who has nothing else to do. How to fix it? First is honest training for SEs. Not just a tour through the webpage, but an actual come to Jesus meeting about what CAP/GA/aviation safety is and, importantly, is not. Treat it like any other professional specialty and recruit members for that task. Difficult, sure, but not impossible. The old methods do not work, they have been proven to be ineffective and the entirety of the aviation world has moved away from them. And that goes not just for the flying portion of the safety program. The same tired "slip and fall" briefings may check the box, but just what does that add to the value of the program?
Quote from: AirAux on December 01, 2016, 02:42:25 PMBeing old school, we used to call it common sense... Just sayin', you know, like "don't stick your head in that there prop".As my employees can tell you I personally hate the term "Common Sense" when it comes to Safety. I refer to it as "Cultural Sense" when I do my training. It is actually the topic of one of my primary training programs. "Is it Common Sense to Believe in Common Sense when it doesn't make Common Sense". The Fallacy of Common Sense in Safety Cultures
... Someone said "Common sense would say they should know how to get it done." Common sense doesn't make up for a lack of education on the subject or the willingness to learn/improve.