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Jill Smith
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« on: April 22, 2016, 08:05:49 PM »

I saw the photo of the other CAP cadet cover with a white band, and thought I'd post the one I my collection.

This hat is the typical USAF-issue kind, with an applied white mohair band.  I'm guessing that this might have been some honor guard detail, granted permission by a commander.  It was made by Bancroft and is dated 1961 under the sweatband.

Also, period photos of the initial cadets at the US Air Force academy wearing covers with white bands.

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Jill Smith
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2016, 08:07:21 PM »

How do I add photos of the hat?
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PHall
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2016, 08:10:49 PM »

That must have been a really old picture, as in pre 1969 old.
The white band showed that the person wearing it was a CAP Cadet and NOT a member of the Air Force.
SarDragon should be able to give some dates since he has a collection of CAPM 39-1's that goes back decades!
 
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Jill Smith
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2016, 08:22:01 PM »

How do I post photos?  I just found an AWESOME pic of a USAFA cadet wearing the cover with the white band!
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jeders
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2016, 08:25:30 PM »

If the photos are hosted elsewhere on the web, you simply link to them insert image button in the message toolbar. If they are not on the internet, you first have to host them somewhere other than CAPTalk and then link to them.
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Jill Smith
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2016, 08:40:37 PM »

Google "early USAF Academy pics" and scroll through them to see the vintage black and white pic of the cadet wearing the blue cover with a white mohair band.
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MSG Mac
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2016, 09:55:55 PM »

How do I post photos?  I just found an AWESOME pic of a USAFA cadet wearing the cover with the white band!

I believe you have to have a "minimum" number of posts, before you can upload photos and attachments. I think it's 25, but the moderators can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Michael P. McEleney
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2016, 10:33:21 PM »

Pre 1964 and for a short time later CAP cadets who earned their COP (Certificate of Proficiency) were authorized to wear the white band. Early Mitchell cadets were also authorized the white band on service hats for a short time.
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SarDragon
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2016, 04:14:26 AM »

Pre 1964 and for a short time later CAP cadets who earned their COP (Certificate of Proficiency) were authorized to wear the white band. Early Mitchell cadets were also authorized the white band on service hats for a short time.

Not so with the Mitchell thing. That style hat has always been restricted to cadet officers (disregarding color/honor guard, who never wore the white band). C/WOs were not authorized the wheel hat or shoulder boards when the rank was instituted in 1968. That was what came with the Mitchell award starting then. It looks like the hat and boards became authorized for C/WOs in 1980. There were 2 changes to the 1977 39-1 that I do not have on hand, so I'm a little unsure of exact dates.

The white band went away sometime between 1970 and 1977.

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Dave Bowles
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kwe1009
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2016, 09:01:23 AM »

Can we just stop calling the cap a "cover"?  Neither CAPR 39-1 nor AFI 36-2903 use that word at all in reference to headgear.
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ZigZag911
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2016, 11:48:03 PM »

I'm pretty sure the "wheel cap" was authorized for Cadet WO in the early 70s...I got my Mitchell with several other cadets in December 1971 (NJ Wing),presented by group CC,  seem to recall several of us had that hat, mainly because we had seen other cadet officers wearing.

If memory serves, the key factor back then was that it could only be worn by cadet officers if authorized by the wing CC.
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Mordecai
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2016, 12:27:40 AM »

Can we just stop calling the cap a "cover"?  Neither CAPR 39-1 nor AFI 36-2903 use that word at all in reference to headgear.
The trick to getting this to change is to start using a more correct term a lot.

I suggest "flight cap."

I will commence using this immediately.

CAP even gets a mention on wikipedia regarding side caps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_cap
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PHall
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2016, 01:15:34 AM »

Can we just stop calling the cap a "cover"?  Neither CAPR 39-1 nor AFI 36-2903 use that word at all in reference to headgear.
The trick to getting this to change is to start using a more correct term a lot.

I suggest "flight cap."

I will commence using this immediately.

CAP even gets a mention on wikipedia regarding side caps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_cap

Flight Cap doesn't work when you're talking about the Service Cap...
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SarDragon
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2016, 04:30:52 AM »

I'm pretty sure the "wheel cap" was authorized for Cadet WO in the early 70s...I got my Mitchell with several other cadets in December 1971 (NJ Wing),presented by group CC,  seem to recall several of us had that hat, mainly because we had seen other cadet officers wearing.

If memory serves, the key factor back then was that it could only be worn by cadet officers if authorized by the wing CC.

That's possible. I left NJ Wing in 1969, when I went on AD, and joined the DarkSide™. There's no specific definition of "cadet officer" in the 39-1. There weren't many C/WOs when I turned SM.
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Dave Bowles
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