ICUT is coming soon! Morning, Night, or Noon!

[Theodore]

This is sort of a repost of a past thread, but, ICUT is becoming more mandatory in CAP.

[Майор Хаткевич]

What?

[Fubar]

Pretty much every entry-level emergency services qualification requires ICUT, so if you're going to do anything in ES, you'll need ICUT (BCUT and ACUT no longer are accepted as alternatives).

Additionally, if you're using radios to help facilitate your meetings or squadron activities, anyone with a radio in their hand will need to have completed ICUT.

So no, it's not mandatory in relation to being a member of CAP, but it's required for a number of things you may want to do in CAP.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Pretty much every entry-level emergency services qualification requires ICUT, so if you're going to do anything in ES, you'll need ICUT (BCUT and ACUT no longer are accepted as alternatives).

Additionally, if you're using radios to help facilitate your meetings or squadron activities, anyone with a radio in their hand will need to have completed ICUT.

So no, it's not mandatory in relation to being a member of CAP, but it's required for a number of things you may want to do in CAP.

How is this different from last week?

[SarDragon]

This is sort of a repost of a past thread, but, ICUT is becoming more mandatory in CAP.

Read the dates on threads before you reply or comment.

[Fubar]

How is this different from last week?

I was simply attempting to answer his question. I assure you, I had no intention of offending anyone.

[lordmonar]

ICUT should be required for GES.  And First Aid Training, air craft handling video, and everything in in MSA.

But yeah....it's kind of old news.

[almostspaatz]

ICUT should be required for GES.  And First Aid Training, air craft handling video, and everything in in MSA.

I second this...Cadet Snuffy shouldn't be coming out into the field trying to learn GTM3 when he hasn't already learned ICUT and "Basic Communications procedures for ES Operations" (Both are considered Advanced training instead of Prereqs) But that's just my personal opinion.....

[Spaceman3750]

ICUT should be required for GES.  And First Aid Training, air craft handling video, and everything in in MSA.

I second this...Cadet Snuffy shouldn't be coming out into the field trying to learn GTM3 when he hasn't already learned ICUT and "Basic Communications procedures for ES Operations" (Both are considered Advanced training instead of Prereqs) But that's just my personal opinion.....

I usually don't need more people to operate the one radio. I usually do need more people to search.

Radio communication is the tool by which we stay connected to the rest of the mission, and is not an integral part of the search itself.

[Storm Chaser]

ICUT is a requirement to use a radio unsupervised. Any GTM3 trainee would be operating the radio under the supervision of the GTL. As long as the member is not using a radio unsupervised, ICUT is not a requirement, hence why it's only a prerequisite for MRO.

[Holding Pattern]

ICUT is a requirement to use a radio unsupervised. Any GTM3 trainee would be operating the radio under the supervision of the GTL. As long as the member is not using a radio unsupervised, ICUT is not a requirement, hence why it's only a prerequisite for MRO.

In CAPR 100-1, the only provisions I'm seeing for supervised operation is 5.6, and that doesn't apply to CAP members.

Also, given just how easy it is to run people through ICUT, it seems prudent to just get everyone through it and have it done. Then you never have to worry about it.

[Storm Chaser]

ICUT is a requirement to use a radio unsupervised. Any GTM3 trainee would be operating the radio under the supervision of the GTL. As long as the member is not using a radio unsupervised, ICUT is not a requirement, hence why it's only a prerequisite for MRO.

In CAPR 100-1, the only provisions I'm seeing for supervised operation is 5.6, and that doesn't apply to CAP members.

Also, given just how easy it is to run people through ICUT, it seems prudent to just get everyone through it and have it done. Then you never have to worry about it.

Read CAPR 100-1, Para. 5.2.1.

Prudent or not, the regulation is clear on the requirement. You can train everyone in ICUT, but you shouldn't prevent anyone from participating in a mission because they don't have it yet.

[Holding Pattern]

ICUT is a requirement to use a radio unsupervised. Any GTM3 trainee would be operating the radio under the supervision of the GTL. As long as the member is not using a radio unsupervised, ICUT is not a requirement, hence why it's only a prerequisite for MRO.

In CAPR 100-1, the only provisions I'm seeing for supervised operation is 5.6, and that doesn't apply to CAP members.

Also, given just how easy it is to run people through ICUT, it seems prudent to just get everyone through it and have it done. Then you never have to worry about it.

Read CAPR 100-1, Para. 5.2.1.

Prudent or not, the regulation is clear on the requirement. You can train everyone in ICUT, but you shouldn't prevent anyone from participating in a mission because they don't have it yet.

5.2.1. All members with duties requiring unsupervised operation of radios on CAP frequencies must complete ICUT training.

I'm aware of that. But you positioned "supervised operation" of radios as a workaround to ICUT. That doesn't seem to be supported in the regs. A trainee without ICUT would simply verbally give his data to someone with ICUT and a radio to get the message out, not use the radio under the supervision of someone with ICUT.

[Storm Chaser]

ICUT is a requirement to use a radio unsupervised. Any GTM3 trainee would be operating the radio under the supervision of the GTL. As long as the member is not using a radio unsupervised, ICUT is not a requirement, hence why it's only a prerequisite for MRO.

In CAPR 100-1, the only provisions I'm seeing for supervised operation is 5.6, and that doesn't apply to CAP members.

Also, given just how easy it is to run people through ICUT, it seems prudent to just get everyone through it and have it done. Then you never have to worry about it.

Read CAPR 100-1, Para. 5.2.1.

Prudent or not, the regulation is clear on the requirement. You can train everyone in ICUT, but you shouldn't prevent anyone from participating in a mission because they don't have it yet.

5.2.1. All members with duties requiring unsupervised operation of radios on CAP frequencies must complete ICUT training.

I'm aware of that. But you positioned "supervised operation" of radios as a workaround to ICUT. That doesn't seem to be supported in the regs. A trainee without ICUT would simply verbally give his data to someone with ICUT and a radio to get the message out, not use the radio under the supervision of someone with ICUT.

That's not what I said. What I said was that the reason ICUT is not a prerequisite to participating in a mission or training for most specialty qualifications, as was suggested it should be, is because trainees operate in a supervised status, which takes care of this requirement.

[AirAux]

It was so much easier when all you had to have was a radio operators permit.  And guess what?  Communications worked back then...

[LTC Don]

It was so much easier when all you had to have was a radio operators permit.  And guess what?  Communications worked back then...

Quoted for Truth.

[lordmonar]

It was so much easier when all you had to have was a radio operators permit.  And guess what?  Communications worked back then...

And you only had to fill out a form to get one of those!

[Eclipse]

And you only had to fill out a form to get one of those!

Pictured - CAP member submitting Radio Operator Permit form.

[Spaceman3750]

And you only had to fill out a form to get one of those!

Pictured - CAP member submitting Radio Operator Permit form.

He got the beard waiting for the class.

[Luis R. Ramos]

He got the gray hair when trying to make sense of the regulations and posting in CAPTalk and reading all different interpretations.