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SarDragon
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2015, 06:32:23 AM »

I don't have time for it.  Between family, church, work, CAP, and another SAR group, I am tapped out.  I always hear people put down the cheaper radios, but I have yet to hear someone explain why.  For instance, why is the Wouxun KG-UV920P-A or  Juentai JT-6188 a bad radio?
Two words - durability and support.

The big three build quality, dependable, long-lasting radios, and provide support for their products. The Chinese products aren't known for either, although Powerex seems to be an exception for the stuff they sell.
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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2015, 07:55:49 AM »

I don't have time for it.  Between family, church, work, CAP, and another SAR group, I am tapped out.  I always hear people put down the cheaper radios, but I have yet to hear someone explain why.  For instance, why is the Wouxun KG-UV920P-A or  Juentai JT-6188 a bad radio?
Two words - durability and support.

The big three build quality, dependable, long-lasting radios, and provide support for their products. The Chinese products aren't known for either, although Powerex seems to be an exception for the stuff they sell.

Disagree. I own a couple of the Chinese HTs and they have been just as reliable and durable as any of the majors.
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2015, 09:05:47 AM »

But at 1/10 to 1/3 the price of the model SarDragon recommended, one can afford to have a unit break over time and get a new one.
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2015, 09:28:49 AM »

The complaints I hear about the Chinese radios are with performance. Poor receiver sensitivity and selectivity, along with poor RX/TX audio quality.

Personally, if Iím going to invest several hours of my time to install a radio, Iíll make sure itís worth the effort.
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2015, 11:22:30 AM »

The complaints I hear about the Chinese radios are with performance. Poor receiver sensitivity and selectivity, along with poor RX/TX audio quality.

Personally, if Iím going to invest several hours of my time to install a radio, Iíll make sure itís worth the effort.

Earlier models had some issues. They have pretty much worked them out in the newer units. Again, my units work as advertised in all conditions that I have used them...
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2015, 02:59:21 PM »

Most of the issues I had heard of with chinese radios revolved around a lot of 1st gen radios that didn't always bother with silly things like FCC type acceptance or quality control.

That has significantly changed.

I mean seriously, the Baofeng is a rather solid contender now for a HAM's first radio. There is still some caveat emptor out there (check for reviews and use tests) but you can buy a chinese radio with a high degree of confidence in performance today. And if it fails, you are out the cost of 20% of what the regular Big Names would have charged.

I'd be hard pressed to invest the money in a brand new Yaesu/Kenwood/Icom today, and pretty much the only way I would is if I was getting the base station to end all base stations that also happened to be NTIA compliant for CAP use along with all the bells and whistles.

I should note that neither my wouxun nor beofeng have had any issues, and that wouxun was very, very close to becoming a staple of CAP communications with its attractive price point and features until stuff happened...
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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2015, 03:40:31 PM »

My dad told me years ago, that when it comes to buying tools, you either pay now, or pay later - quality stuff now, or repeated purchases of cheap stuff later on. To me, a radio is just a different flavor of tool. YMMV.
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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2015, 04:07:33 PM »

My dad told me years ago, that when it comes to buying tools, you either pay now, or pay later - quality stuff now, or repeated purchases of cheap stuff later on. To me, a radio is just a different flavor of tool. YMMV.

Time for me to drag out my soapbox...

Personally, after making sure the base radio can do the job, I'd put more concern into throwing money at the antenna and associated items to mitigate things like motor whine for example.

It's just as important to understand why you are paying more for something than to just "pay more for quality."

If you are looking at 2 radios, one costs $200 more than the other, and you find out that the reason is for APRS functionality that you don't use, there is no reason to buy the $200 more expensive radio.

Also, if you know you are going to be using the radio in such a fashion that it might be taking a beating, packing your $1000 radio might not be on your list of things to do.

Finally, these companies have been pushing the same radios at the same or higher prices for year after year until the chinese radios started showing up.

The contender for my first handheld was the Yaesu FT-60R, which everyone told me should be my first radio. It cost twice as much as the wouxun. I bought the wouxun.

Interestingly enough, look at this:

http://camelcamelcamel.com/Yaesu-FT-60R-Handheld-Amateur-Transceiver/product/B004P4PDAO?context=browse

Yaesu has dropped their price to the point of being just slightly higher than the KG-UV6X now. Thank China for bringing capitalism and the free market to the world of radios.

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« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2015, 11:47:48 PM »

There is truth on both sides.  I believe in quality.  I shop at REI and other quality retailers when needed.  Tomorrow, I am picking up a $310 bike for my 10 year old because I don't want to get the $120 cr@p bikes on amazon or target. But sometimes there is name brands and advertising.  Is a Lexus ES a nice car?  I bet, but the Camry will get me to work.  It might not have the horse power, nice gadgets and gizmos, and fine interior, but it will get you down the road reliability.  The Lexus is $38k and the Camry is $23k new.  Will the Lexus last longer? Maybe, maybe not.  Will the Lexus perform and look better? Yep.  But the Camry does get you where you are going.

I remember when I was shopping for a diamond engagement ring, the salesman was trying to push the "hearts on fire diamond" the "worlds most perfectly cut diamond".  They were really nice looking (especially under all their special lights).  But they were 3x's the price of the non-name brand diamonds of similar cut, carrot, quality and color.  In that case the difference in price was pure marketing.   

Are the cheaper radios any good? I don't know yet, but we can't disqualify them just because they aren't the fanciest model out there or the biggest name brand.
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« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2015, 11:35:00 AM »

TYT TH-9000D: http://www.amazon.com/TYT-TYT-TH-9000D-Two-Way-Radio/dp/B006QMM9XM

Great for ham use and it is also Part-90 certified for LMR use: https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=35VkYYbvhcdcuY1vPk0mpw%3D%3D&fcc_id=X24-MOBILE-V

Runs 65 watts, 25 watts, and 10 watts.

$113, I have one as my base station, not for CAP use of course. Can also be configured to recognize Motorola Quick-Call II tones. They come in VHF and UHF varieties.
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« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2015, 09:33:10 PM »

The TH-9000D seems ok but it doesn't support the GMRS band.
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« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2015, 01:20:00 AM »

I wanted to add my info about the cheap import HT.  I don't own one, but I talk to anyone that I see that has one.  The folks that have owned them stated in the beginning a major problem was programming them.  I think  that problem has been fixed with better support and online help.  For the price I don't see how they can be beat.  Everyone that I talk to praises the imports functionality and sound quality.  The hand mics and larger batteries that are available are praised also.

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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2016, 05:25:54 PM »

The biggest problem with the Wouxun and Boafeng  is receiver overload.  These radios use a direct conversion receiver technique with limited input filtering to give a wide-band receiver.  This works well most of the time but can fail in a strong signal environment.  One national staff CAP member found this out when he brought his, at the time compliant, Wouxun to a NASCAR race.  The receiver was overwhelmed by all of the string VHF transmitters in operation.  That radio was subsequently removed from the CAP compliant list.

If CAP is the main objective for a vehicle mounted, consider a good used EF Johnson 5317 like CAP uses.  They are well built commercial grade radios with 50W output and can be programmed for 2M ham along with standard CAP programming.  They can be found on EBay for about $200.  However, you will need support from you comm officer or wing DC to program for CAP. 
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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2016, 01:07:10 PM »

If you're worried about mounting space, and are a Tech, the FT7900 from Yaesu is a great little unit. I mounted mine in the back of my HHR, and have the control head hidden in the dash-top storage compartment. All I have to do is pop it open (the lid only goes up a little, and doesn't interfere with vision) and there it is. Plenty of room in there to rest the mic, as well.
It's a great little radio, and well within your budget.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/velojym/18795746524

I also have a couple of Baofengs and a Yaesu FT60. They all work great, though the latter does "feel" like a much better radio, I use the former as spares at work and home.
Programming isn't too difficult manually, but there is software out there to simplify it now.
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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2016, 04:41:16 PM »

take a look at the comms website in eservices.
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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2016, 12:47:23 AM »

take a look at the comms website in eservices.

As the 35th post on the thread, your post seems a little too general to be of much use. Which post are you referring to?
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Dave Bowles
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« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2016, 03:06:20 PM »

On the bottom tab in Eservices is a link to the comms website. If you go there and look in the equipment compliance list and look at those radios. Many of them are great, cheap radios. Please PM me with any questions. 
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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2017, 09:05:09 PM »

Capt. Cali,

Lynchburg Composite here. Which Group is 060 in?

If you want dual band have a look at this. https://powerwerx.com/db750x-dual-band-commercial-mobile-radio. I cannot speak on any aspect of this radio. Just came to mind and though I'd present it.

We have had issues with some of the comms folks in NoVA being unreachable which I find terribly ironic.

I hope you have been able to track down an answer to your needs.
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SarDragon
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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2017, 02:30:32 AM »

Is it in  the NTIA compliant list on the NHQ Comm site?
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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2017, 12:17:36 PM »

Holy necropost, Batman!

Read back on page 1 guys, this is for non-CAP/ham use radio recommendations.
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