Standardized G/W

[SARDOC]

How hard can it be really to standardize the Gray/White Corporate uniform?

I know this doesn't pass the lowlight, I can't read or am legally blind test.  The Cadets are the United States Military Academy, get rid of the White Gloves and the black stripe on the trousers.  They already even had the blank gray rank slides.

[Panache]

Give me a cover and a service coat with that, and I would be happy.

Even better, make the shirt a different shade of blue then AF blue, like royal blue or something.

[PHall]

I'm sure Scamguard would be very frickin' happy to take our money for some "standardized" grey trousers.

[lordmonar]

Oh it is easy.....but who will sell them?  Vanguard?   

And for how much?

As soon as CAP identified "these are the slacks you will wear".....you are going to have 2000 people screaming bloody murder that their Walmart  specials have been good enough for the last 15 years.  2000 more screaming that we should have gone with Brand X instead of Brand Y.  2000 more screaming "why that shade of gray?"........and finally another 2000 screaming that Khaki/Green/Black/Blue/Red/Neon/Pink would be the best color.

The status qua.....may be a cop out.....but maybe our volunteer leaders really do have something else to worry about.

BTW....I do think we should standardize....I'm just showing "how hard" it is to pick one and implement it.   

Edit....and another 2000 thousand saying.....cool give me a hat and service coat too!    

[lordmonar]

I'm sure Scamguard would be very frickin' happy to take our money for some "standardized" grey trousers.

See.....what did I tell you.   

[SARDOC]

AAFES already sells the Shirt, Shoes and Belt...just need to get the items approved for our members to purchase.  The AAFES price on the shirt is $20.00

[Panache]

As soon as CAP identified "these are the slacks you will wear".....you are going to have 2000 people screaming bloody murder that their Walmart  specials have been good enough for the last 15 years.  2000 more screaming that we should have gone with Brand X instead of Brand Y.  2000 more screaming "why that shade of gray?"........and finally another 2000 screaming that Khaki/Green/Black/Blue/Red/Neon/Pink would be the best color.

This is usually the Polo Shirt Posse anyway, and with the new 39-1, while you can wear "tac" pants with the polo, it's expressly forbidden with the G/Ws (one thing they did right.)  So those who like to show up to the meeting in their gray tac pants already have to have a separate set for the G/Ws anyway.

But now that you're all of the sudden concerned about the feelings of those who wear the corporate variants, it shouldn't be that hard to code a quick poll into eServices for all SMs about what the majority prefers...

[lordmonar]

No you did not read that right. The question was how hard was it to find a standard grey pants for the G/W. The answer is not very hard. But the implantation is hard for the reasons stated.

No one wants to open that can of worms if they don't have to.

[Panache]

No you did not read that right. The question was how hard was it to find a standard grey pants for the G/W. The answer is not very hard. But the implantation is hard for the reasons stated.

No one wants to open that can of worms if they don't have to.

My apologies.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Lord-

Did you really mean "implantation" or "implementation?"

Either of them is appropriate!

[Cliff_Chambliss]

As soon as CAP identified "these are the slacks you will wear".....you are going to have 2000 people screaming bloody murder that their Walmart  specials have been good enough for the last 15 years.  2000 more screaming that we should have gone with Brand X instead of Brand Y.  2000 more screaming "why that shade of gray?"........and finally another 2000 screaming that Khaki/Green/Black/Blue/Red/Neon/Pink would be the best color.

This is usually the Polo Shirt Posse anyway, and with the new 39-1, while you can wear "tac" pants with the polo, it's expressly forbidden with the G/Ws (one thing they did right.)  So those who like to show up to the meeting in their gray tac pants already have to have a separate set for the G/Ws anyway.

But now that you're all of the sudden concerned about the feelings of those who wear the corporate variants, it shouldn't be that hard to code a quick poll into eServices for all SMs about what the majority prefers...

Problem here is the big mouth variety of the minority yells louder than the majority and therefore gets more attention

[Shuman 14]

Oh it is easy.....but who will sell them?  Vanguard?   

And for how much?

As soon as CAP identified "these are the slacks you will wear".....you are going to have 2000 people screaming bloody murder that their Walmart  specials have been good enough for the last 15 years.  2000 more screaming that we should have gone with Brand X instead of Brand Y.  2000 more screaming "why that shade of gray?"........and finally another 2000 screaming that Khaki/Green/Black/Blue/Red/Neon/Pink would be the best color.

The status qua.....may be a cop out.....but maybe our volunteer leaders really do have something else to worry about.

BTW....I do think we should standardize....I'm just showing "how hard" it is to pick one and implement it.   

Edit....and another 2000 thousand saying.....cool give me a hat and service coat too!    

No ever asks "Why do I have to wear the USAF blue pants and shirt when I wear the USAF-style uniform". 

The color choice is simple... it must match the grey of the rank slides to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Cut/style... must match the USAF pants in cut/style to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Material... must match the USAF pants in material make up and blend to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Sense the trend here... its must provide a "uniform" appearance.

Christ how hard is this... it's a UNIFORM not clean out your closet day. 

[AlphaSigOU]

AAFES already sells the Shirt, Shoes and Belt...just need to get the items approved for our members to purchase.  The AAFES price on the shirt is $20.00

The white shirt sold at the Air Force MCSS is for the semiformal uniform; at an Army MCSS you will only find the Army Service Uniform white shirt with permanent military creases.

[PHall]

Oh it is easy.....but who will sell them?  Vanguard?   

And for how much?

As soon as CAP identified "these are the slacks you will wear".....you are going to have 2000 people screaming bloody murder that their Walmart  specials have been good enough for the last 15 years.  2000 more screaming that we should have gone with Brand X instead of Brand Y.  2000 more screaming "why that shade of gray?"........and finally another 2000 screaming that Khaki/Green/Black/Blue/Red/Neon/Pink would be the best color.

The status qua.....may be a cop out.....but maybe our volunteer leaders really do have something else to worry about.

BTW....I do think we should standardize....I'm just showing "how hard" it is to pick one and implement it.   

Edit....and another 2000 thousand saying.....cool give me a hat and service coat too!    

No ever asks "Why do I have to wear the USAF blue pants and shirt when I wear the USAF-style uniform". 

The color choice is simple... it must match the grey of the rank slides to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Cut/style... must match the USAF pants in cut/style to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Material... must match the USAF pants in material make up and blend to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Sense the trend here... its must provide a "uniform" appearance.

Christ how hard is this this... it's a UNIFORM not clean out your closet day. 

Read what the 39-1 has to say about the grey trousers for the grey and white uniform. It's not very directive.

[Eclipse]

How hard can it be really to standardize the Gray/White Corporate uniform?

I know this doesn't pass the lowlight, I can't read or am legally blind test.  The Cadets are the United States Military Academy, get rid of the White Gloves and the black stripe on the trousers.  They already even had the blank gray rank slides.

For starters, by design, and within a range, everyone in that photo is pretty "uniform" - even the belt
line is pretty close, owing for the hill they appear to be standing on.

That's not the case in CAP, where the size ranges from xxs to XXX³LT.

A military clothing exchange is not going to sell that size range because they probably don't even have specs for it
to put to bid.

That would leave VG, and I don't want to buy >any< clothing from them.  It's bad enough they are single-source for
insignia, at least that's understandable, but no thank you on clothing.  Not to mention they would likely do "as ordered"
on the more unusual sizes, which would mean potentially weeks to months for delivery.

[lordmonar]

Lord-

Did you really mean "implantation" or "implementation?"

Either of them is appropriate!

Depends on my mood.     

[lordmonar]

No ever asks "Why do I have to wear the USAF blue pants and shirt when I wear the USAF-style uniform". 

The color choice is simple... it must match the grey of the rank slides to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Cut/style... must match the USAF pants in cut/style to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Material... must match the USAF pants in material make up and blend to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Sense the trend here... its must provide a "uniform" appearance.

Christ how hard is this this... it's a UNIFORM not clean out your closet day. 

Like I said....it is not hard.
Just no one wants to go down that route....because they know they can't win for losing. 
And frankly they probably have more important things to do.  As much as I like to argue about these things here on CT.....the G/W uniform.....uniformity is pretty low on my list of  things I got to do once I become the National Commander.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

So now even standardisation for the grey trousers is out because:

1. The Polo Shirt Collective won't like it.
2. Those wearing their threadbare Dickies (I've seen it, and it ain't pretty) would scream blue murder over having to get something "new" that you can't get at SmallFart, etc.

And yet we are still denied a service cap...I suggested a modified version of the exact same one that the USMA wears, made by Bernard Cap.



That is very, very, very close to the grey of our shoulder marks/nameplate.

But, as we found out with the new 39-1...status quo über alles.

[abdsp51]

No ever asks "Why do I have to wear the USAF blue pants and shirt when I wear the USAF-style uniform". 

The color choice is simple... it must match the grey of the rank slides to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Cut/style... must match the USAF pants in cut/style to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Material... must match the USAF pants in material make up and blend to provide a "uniform" appearance.

Sense  Since the trend here... its must provide a "uniform" appearance.

Christ how hard is this this... it's a UNIFORM not clean out your closet day. 

FTFY since you're not detecting anything in this regard. 

[abdsp51]

Few things I take away from with the majority of the discussions

1) The established color of "medium grey" people have a hard time knowing what it is.

2) Members wearing G/W will never be happy until they get a coat and hat.

3) Members wanting change will not or have not even bothered submitting the recommendation through the channels to try and get their ideas implemented. 

4) Members apparently don't think about cost involved in implementing some of these ideas on a large scale.