Quick SM Uniform Question

[The14th]

I've checked the 39-1, but figured I could get a quick answer on here to clarify. As a SM without grade, I don't wear any epaulets on my blue AF style shirts correct? Just CAP insignia on the collars?

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

No epaulets, CAP cutouts on the collars.  You are correct.  That goes for both the AF and aviator shirts.

I have seen new SM's wear the blank epaulets (for NCO's to pin their grade to), and while it looks good and I would be in favour of it being authorised, it is not authorised.

You'll get your butterbars soon enough.

[The14th]

That was my main concern. I noticed those blank one's with just the CAP on them, but had thought we wear none. Just wanted to double check (I hate being out of regs and want to have everything right beforehand)

Thanks!

[fokkerfrenzy]

If memory serves, blank epaulets was something that was added to the new 39-1 that hasn't been released yet.  It seems like some people are jumping the gun.

[vento]

No epaulets, CAP cutouts on the collars.  You are correct.  That goes for both the AF and aviator shirts.

I have seen new SM's wear the blank epaulets (for NCO's to pin their grade to), and while it looks good and I would be in favour of it being authorised, it is not authorised.

You'll get your butterbars soon enough.

For the white aviator shirt, no epaulets and no CAP cutouts.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

No epaulets, CAP cutouts on the collars.  You are correct.  That goes for both the AF and aviator shirts.

I have seen new SM's wear the blank epaulets (for NCO's to pin their grade to), and while it looks good and I would be in favour of it being authorised, it is not authorised.

You'll get your butterbars soon enough.

For the white aviator shirt, no epaulets and no CAP cutouts.

Are you sure about the cutouts on the aviator shirt?

[Eclipse]

That is correct no cutouts on the whites.

[Spaceman3750]

If memory serves, blank epaulets was something that was added to the new 39-1 that hasn't been released yet.  It seems like some people are jumping the gun.

That's been going on for years, at least since I was a SMWOG almost 5 years ago.

[Eclipse]

They were originally and till intended for NCO pins, but never used.

Misinformed Commanders have been letting newbs wear them for years - it was one short-hand way, frankly
to tell when you had a command issue at a unit.  If you see a new member wearing blank epaulets, time
for a couple of conversations.

[Walkman]

That's been going on for years, at least since I was a SMWOG almost 5 years ago.

I made that mistake at the beginning as well, before I learned how to use 39-1. I was ordering my 1st round of insignia from VG and saw the blank slides and "Oh, that must be what I should wear". Was corrected the first time.

[The14th]

That's been going on for years, at least since I was a SMWOG almost 5 years ago.

I made that mistake at the beginning as well, before I learned how to use 39-1. I was ordering my 1st round of insignia from VG and saw the blank slides and "Oh, that must be what I should wear". Was corrected the first time.

I noticed them on there and was wondering, as well. But they say on the description something about being for SM NCOs, so that's why I double checked to make sure I didn't need to order those. I could do the NCO thing, but am working towards the Officer route.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Those blank slides were taking the cheap route out, especially since there were embroidered slides made for SNCO's.

I personally don't see the use for those blank slides at all, since the Air Force doesn't even have SNCO slides any more.

[NIN]

First time I saw those I said "oh,  for CAP NCOs. Of course! "

Then I saw some a buck SM wearing 'em and said "ok,  what unit is that guy from?  Someone needs a boot to the head!"

"Step away from the vanguard website! "

[The14th]

One more quick question. Do SMs with no grade wear the NCO or Officer style flight cap?

[Garibaldi]

One more quick question. Do SMs with no grade wear the NCO or Officer style flight cap?

Most say the NCO flight cap, the one with the dark blue braid on it. You don't get the officer cap until you promote to 2nd Lt.

[NIN]

IIRC that changes with the new 39-1 to help keep costs down

[BHartman007]

I saw at least one guy wearing the blank slides at wing conference last month. I wanted to say something, but I didn't.

[RogueLeader]

I saw at least one guy wearing the blank slides at wing conference last month. I wanted to say something, but I didn't.

I'm sure some units are already transitioning to the new CAPM 39-1, to where that would be correct.  I know that it's not official yet, but it is a cost saving measure against a mid-grade change. . .

[Майор Хаткевич]

How is getting a currently not required item a cost saving measure? More like they've been doing it wrong for 10+years.

[lordmonar]

How is getting a currently not required item a cost saving measure? More like they've been doing it wrong for 10+years.

+1