BoG vacancy

[MAJORZ04]

We can all go back and forth and back and forth about this....... But.... This BOG member has
to get appointed and approved by the National Commander.  The way things are going at National, now, the newest member will be a TP clone or worse...
It would be great to have an actual "member-at -large" that came from the field.... but
we all know that will never happen..
A sad state of affairs !!!
We, in the field, must concentrate on our core missions and core "VALUES".  If the field
keeps up the core VALUES perhaps, in time, someone from the field will rise to National
Leadership and we get back to "Missions for America", and not the Maxwell/National Hq
soap opera....
All........ Keep the Faith !!!!

[ZigZag911]

then, what are you waiting for?  The black van with the blanked out windows to pull up to your house?

I don't believe that I am qualified: 30 years in the Army, retired Colonel, Company Commander in the Army, instructor at the Army Intel School,  staff officer in the Pentagon, Army Command and General Staff College, Air War College, Masters Degree, Sq CC twice in CAP, Wing Staff, MPS, MS, Msn Check Pilot, but no level three or four.

Dang.

Nothing gets 'waived' more regularly than Level 4 requirement/recommendation for corporate officer jobs, it would probably be done just as readily to fill a BOG vacancy.

The real trouble you have is that you sound as though you have both knowledge and experience...we can't have that!

[ZigZag911]

I self nominated myself a few years ago but lost out to Rick Bowling.  This was right after his term as National Commander ended.

In my opinion it is all ready determined who they want on the BoG.  Just a mere formality to let the peons in CAP throw their hats in the ring.

I believe you are entirely correct, the selection has already been made, this is a formailty, a mere legal requirement.

[SAR-EMT1]

I self nominated myself a few years ago but lost out to Rick Bowling.  This was right after his term as National Commander ended.

In my opinion it is all ready determined who they want on the BoG.  Just a mere formality to let the peons in CAP throw their hats in the ring.

I believe you are entirely correct, the selection has already been made, this is a formailty, a mere legal requirement.

And that right there smacks of a sad state of affairs.

[RogueLeader]

I self nominated myself a few years ago but lost out to Rick Bowling.  This was right after his term as National Commander ended.

In my opinion it is all ready determined who they want on the BoG.  Just a mere formality to let the peons in CAP throw their hats in the ring.

I believe you are entirely correct, the selection has already been made, this is a formailty, a mere legal requirement.

And that right there smacks of a sad state of affairs.

No kidding, too bad AF couldn't step in and interven an the side of the members.

[bosshawk]

A slight deviation from the main theme of this topic, but the CC Firing in CA looks like it has been closed.

The Region CC of Pac Region announced today that Lt Col Jesus Muniz has been appointed the permanent CC of CAWG: just about two weeks after Col Nelson was relieved.

The Region selection process for a Wing Commander was cancelled.

Now back to our regular programming.

[DNall]

We, in the field, must concentrate on our core missions and core "VALUES".  If the field
keeps up the core VALUES perhaps, in time, someone from the field will rise to National
Leadership and we get back to "Missions for America", and not the Maxwell/National Hq
soap opera....All........ Keep the Faith !!!!

Off topic, but we've been doing that since the begining of time. The issue is the process to rise in that chain is corrupting, and that's what needs to be fixed. Certainly you'll get a good one now & then despite the system, but you can't attain any consistency of quality for the long haul unless you fix the system that makes leaders & defines who rises & why.

Side note, I know a lot of us are interested in what Iowa has been able to pull off, and the guard there certainly ha s a strong connection with members in the field, plus the added advantage of experience with the state mission & HLS aspect... how would yall feel about nominating their TAG or one of the AAGs to be our rep? Clearly that reqiures waiving some requirements, but ignoring that issue for a moment, would you be up for something like that?

[SAR-EMT1]

Possibly.
Work out the details for me so I can make up my mind.

[DNall]

^ On nominating the Iowa TAG or AAG?

No details. We all know what's been going on there, the relationship those guard leaders have built thru active involvement with that CAP wing, the interest the NGB has taken in CAP a couple years back, the scope of state missions (mainly run by NG) that CAP is or wants to play in... I think it'd be a coupe for CAP to bring someone like that onto BoG.

Someone can sign them up real quick to actually make them a member (at least of the patron variety). And I think their mil background (PME, MOS, etc) would actually be able to make a pretty good case for awarding a good part of the required PD. The main thing they'd be missing is the 5yrs TIS. But, I said put that issue aside for a moment & would you be willing to have someone like that represent us as members, knowing they don't have a long history as a CAP member, but recognizing the significant things they bring to the table & the field friendly relationship they've built in Iowa... I think that nomination is in progress alreay, but I'd be interested to see how some of you feel about the idea.

[ZigZag911]

Side note, I know a lot of us are interested in what Iowa has been able to pull off, and the guard there certainly ha s a strong connection with members in the field, plus the added advantage of experience with the state mission & HLS aspect... how would ya ll feel about nominating their TAG or one of the AAGs to be our rep? Clearly that reqiures waiving some requirements, but ignoring that issue for a moment, would you be up for something like that?

Why not nominate someone from their wing staff?  As I understand it, could be anyone not serving as a corporate officer -- such as perhaps wing CS?

I know it could be a corporate officer who was willing to give up the command, but I see o need to go there right now.

[DNall]

Why not nominate someone from their wing staff?  As I understand it, could be anyone not serving as a corporate officer -- such as perhaps wing CS?

I know it could be a corporate officer who was willing to give up the command, but I see o need to go there right now.

That goes back to it being pre-determined. It'll be a former region CC or Nat CC/VC. For anyone other then that to be considered it'd have to be an incredibly significant candidate... like a sitting state AG or a recently retired AF general officer. LtCol isn't going to get it done, CAP or otherwise.

[ZigZag911]

Why not nominate someone from their wing staff?  As I understand it, could be anyone not serving as a corporate officer -- such as perhaps wing CS?

I know it could be a corporate officer who was willing to give up the command, but I see o need to go there right now.

That goes back to it being pre-determined. It'll be a former region CC or Nat CC/VC. For anyone other then that to be considered it'd have to be an incredibly significant candidate... like a sitting state AG or a recently retired AF general officer. LtCol isn't going to get it done, CAP or otherwise.

Maybe a recently retired AF general who has some CAP connection....I think a serving state Adjutant General or asst AG is going to be far too busy to want any part of this....also, such a person is really not going to know the issues or the players.

So, how many newly retired O-7 through O-10 officers who have an interest in CAP do you know?

[ZigZag911]

I just had a brainstorm....how about someone like Senator Harkin?

[DNall]

congressmen can't serve on a congressionally designating & reporting oversight board - you can't report to yourself.

BoG is four meetings a year. Serving active duty general officers serve on it. Take a look who's on there now, and who else has been since it was established. I think it's rpetty reasonable to think a serving TAG or AAG could take the role. They probably will be retiring from that post during the BoG term, which makes for a good transition.

[ZigZag911]

congressmen can't serve on a congressionally designating & reporting oversight board - you can't report to yourself.

Right...well, maybe when he retires from the Senate!

[Psicorp]

I just had a brainstorm....how about someone like Senator Harkin?

Gen. Colin Powell seems to be available 

[DNall]

You go recruit him. Tell him we need help restoring core values across our org so as to reinvigorate our volunteer & youth movements. It's right up his alley. If you can sell him on it, I'd be all for it, I think we all would.