Civil Air Patrol Gortex Jacket Tab

[Pulsar]

What is this? How do you wear it on your jacket? What is a "gortex" jacket? Is it the regular BDU coat? 
http://www.vanguardmil.com/civil-air-patrol-gortex-jacket-tab-cadet-second-lieutenant-p-13652.html

thanks

[Brad]

It's not the same as the regular BDU coat. It is a water-repelling coat designed for cold weather or extremely wet weather. Read the ICL to CAPM 39-1 and scroll down, you'll see a picture that shows where it is supposed to go on the tab flap on the front of the coat at chest-level.

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/2012_03_12_Uniform_Manual_EDA9CCE9FE03A.pdf

[Pulsar]

I don't have that type of coat. I have the regular; As a cadet officer, where do I wear my rank on the coat? 

[MIKE]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

[Майор Хаткевич]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

+100%

It's all there.

[Huey Driver]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

+100%

It's all there.

Or not!

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[RogueLeader]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

+100%

It's all there.

Or not!

As for wearing the grade insignia on a field jacket IS all there. . . .
[hint]

[Майор Хаткевич]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

+100%

It's all there.

Or not!

[/hint]

I expect my cadet NCOs to know what an ICL is, and where to find it. Any cadet past WBA should have already checked out the cap members website and found the reg pages. ICLs are listed right next to the uniform manual.

[a2capt]

..and in the case of an issued ICL, I'd be reading that first.

Having witnessed someone very recently installing a Wing patch on blues, because while he admitted, "I know they removed it, but it's back now, it's in the manual"..

... it never -left- the manual. It was removed via ICL.   

[RogueLeader]

..and in the case of an issued ICL, I'd be reading that first.

Having witnessed someone very recently installing a Wing patch on blues, because while he admitted, "I know they removed it, but it's back now, it's in the manual"..

... it never -left- the manual. It was removed via ICL.

To be exact with CAPR 5-4 section 4, it is required to be incorporated into the affected regulation within 180 days.  So, technically, he is correct.  Not that we don't take it as given, but those changes are expired by CAP regulation.

[Pulsar]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

oh of course that's the first thing I did.
I guess what I meant to ask for is specifics. Do you actually sow the rank on the epulants (or however you spell them). And another thing that wasn't clear, Do you wear them on both shoulders?
thankyou

[Garibaldi]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

oh of course that's the first thing I did.
I guess what I meant to ask for is specifics. Do you actually sow the rank on the epulants (or however you spell them). And another thing that wasn't clear, Do you wear them on both shoulders?
thankyou

You SEW the blue embroidered rank on the epaulet, about 1/2 inch from the shoulder. Then, you sew a blue embroidered CAP cutout about 1/2 inch above that. Both shoulders, so that if you look sideways-on, you can read CAP above the grade, not CAP on one side and PAC on the other.

What gets me is that the picture in 39-1 shows the CAP well above the rank cutout on the epaulet. I've always sewn it 1/2 inch above the rank because it looks better. If that's the way it's supposed to be, my personal opinion is that it should be changed to the way I do things.  It just looks better IMO.

[Eclipse]

My.

Lord.

[Pulsar]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

oh of course that's the first thing I did.
I guess what I meant to ask for is specifics. Do you actually sow the rank on the epulants (or however you spell them). And another thing that wasn't clear, Do you wear them on both shoulders?
thankyou

You SEW the blue embroidered rank on the epaulet, about 1/2 inch from the shoulder. Then, you sew a blue embroidered CAP cutout about 1/2 inch above that. Both shoulders, so that if you look sideways-on, you can read CAP above the grade, not CAP on one side and PAC on the other.

What gets me is that the picture in 39-1 shows the CAP well above the rank cutout on the epaulet. I've always sewn it 1/2 inch above the rank because it looks better. If that's the way it's supposed to be, my personal opinion is that it should be changed to the way I do things.  It just looks better IMO.

thankyou very much sir!

[Garibaldi]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

oh of course that's the first thing I did.
I guess what I meant to ask for is specifics. Do you actually sow the rank on the epulants (or however you spell them). And another thing that wasn't clear, Do you wear them on both shoulders?
thankyou

You SEW the blue embroidered rank on the epaulet, about 1/2 inch from the shoulder. Then, you sew a blue embroidered CAP cutout about 1/2 inch above that. Both shoulders, so that if you look sideways-on, you can read CAP above the grade, not CAP on one side and PAC on the other.

What gets me is that the picture in 39-1 shows the CAP well above the rank cutout on the epaulet. I've always sewn it 1/2 inch above the rank because it looks better. If that's the way it's supposed to be, my personal opinion is that it should be changed to the way I do things.  It just looks better IMO.

thankyou very much sir!

Oh yeah, and another personal pet peeve of mine...center the insignia. And make sure there's not a whole lot of blue showing on the edges. 39-1 doesn't really stipulate how much blue that I can tell, but it makes me shudder whenever I see a lot. Call it about 1/8" maybe? No more than that. You have to do a lot of folding and ironing to get it right...

[Pulsar]

Then, you sew a blue embroidered CAP cutout about 1/2 inch above that.

Actually, I can't find that at Vanguard. Wear can you purchase that? (-the blue embroidered CAP cutout)

[RogueLeader]

linky

[Storm Chaser]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

oh of course that's the first thing I did.
I guess what I meant to ask for is specifics. Do you actually sow the rank on the epulants (or however you spell them). And another thing that wasn't clear, Do you wear them on both shoulders?
thankyou

You SEW the blue embroidered rank on the epaulet, about 1/2 inch from the shoulder. Then, you sew a blue embroidered CAP cutout about 1/2 inch above that. Both shoulders, so that if you look sideways-on, you can read CAP above the grade, not CAP on one side and PAC on the other.

What gets me is that the picture in 39-1 shows the CAP well above the rank cutout on the epaulet. I've always sewn it 1/2 inch above the rank because it looks better. If that's the way it's supposed to be, my personal opinion is that it should be changed to the way I do things.  It just looks better IMO.

thankyou very much sir!

Oh yeah, and another personal pet peeve of mine...center the insignia. And make sure there's not a whole lot of blue showing on the edges. 39-1 doesn't really stipulate how much blue that I can tell, but it makes me shudder whenever I see a lot. Call it about 1/8" maybe? No more than that. You have to do a lot of folding and ironing to get it right...

Actually, CAPM 39-1 does specify the amount of blue; it's 1/8 of an inch "at the widest and tallest point of the insignia..."

[Luis R. Ramos]

Eclipse-

Don't have a cow about Garibaldi's post.

Its

Not

Worth

A

Heart

Attack!

Flyer

[Майор Хаткевич]

As a cadet officer, look it up in the Uniform Manual.

oh of course that's the first thing I did.
I guess what I meant to ask for is specifics. Do you actually sow the rank on the epulants (or however you spell them). And another thing that wasn't clear, Do you wear them on both shoulders?
thankyou

You SEW the blue embroidered rank on the epaulet, about 1/2 inch from the shoulder. Then, you sew a blue embroidered CAP cutout about 1/2 inch above that. Both shoulders, so that if you look sideways-on, you can read CAP above the grade, not CAP on one side and PAC on the other.

What gets me is that the picture in 39-1 shows the CAP well above the rank cutout on the epaulet. I've always sewn it 1/2 inch above the rank because it looks better. If that's the way it's supposed to be, my personal opinion is that it should be changed to the way I do things.  It just looks better IMO.

Half inch? Looks a lot more than that on the graphic (only the SM one). IIRC we deemed it 1.5 to 2" as a standard locally.  And that's another one of my pet peeves. They couldn't add the CAP above the cadet grade demonstration? But what Really grinds my gears are cadet officers who want to stick everything imaginable on the coat, but don't put the CAP/grade on the shoulders because "they promote too often". Really?