New Members and the Shutdown

AALTIS · October 04, 2013, 12:57:34 PM

With the shutdown in effect and no light at the end of the tunnel, how is your unit handling new members? How much are you going to let them participate? Are you going to allow meetings only? How about other squadron activities? With the days off for national, how long to you think it will take them to catch up? They are already overloaded as it is.

Eclipse · October 04, 2013, 01:05:31 PM

There's light? I see they won't block the raising of the debt ceiling, but not much movement on the shutdown.

Regardless, it's not just NHQ, it'll also be the FBI, which will have a backlog on their checks.

JeffDG · October 04, 2013, 01:25:24 PM

Quote from: Eclipse on October 04, 2013, 01:05:31 PM
There's light? I see they won't block the raising of the debt ceiling, but not much movement on the shutdown.

Regardless, it's not just NHQ, it'll also be the FBI, which will have a backlog on their checks.

So long as the shutdown continues, the debt ceiling will be pushed off, as the government is supposedly spending less money now.

Майор Хаткевич · October 04, 2013, 01:59:11 PM

The ~~FIB~~ FBI is still working, ceizing websites.

stillamarine · October 04, 2013, 02:04:31 PM

Quote from: usafaux2004 on October 04, 2013, 01:59:11 PM
The ~~FIB~~ FBI is still working, ceizing websites.

My fiancée is FBI so I have some true insight on this and just not crappy media and rumors. Yes the FBI is working. They are only allowed to work on cases affecting preserving life and property. So no to outside background checks like CAP. All the training they do for local and state police has been stopped. This includes the National Academy which is a huge deal. They had a class report Monday. They sat around til today hoping to be able to start and were sent home today. That's 250 executive level law enforcements officers from around the world. Their instructors were furloughed. Oh and guess what. My fiancée gets to report to work everyday and put a code in her payroll to insure she doesn't get paid. The director says he will do everything to insure they get back pay but can not guarantee anything.

Майор Хаткевич · October 04, 2013, 02:10:41 PM

Well, Silk Road qualifies under those terms. I hope she does get back pay. As do the rest of the workers.

abdsp51 · October 04, 2013, 02:21:17 PM

Quote from: usafaux2004 on October 04, 2013, 01:59:11 PM
The ~~FIB~~ FBI is still working, ~~ceizing~~ seizing websites.

FTFY.

DMinick · October 04, 2013, 09:04:16 PM

We have a non member who wants to participate in our FTX this next weekend. Is that allowed by regs? I was thinking not, but I can't seem to find it again!!! Help, please! LOL The young man wants to join but has not gotten his app turned in yet.

Eclipse · October 04, 2013, 09:24:04 PM

Quote from: DMinick on October 04, 2013, 09:04:16 PM
We have a non member who wants to participate in our FTX this next weekend. Is that allowed by regs? I was thinking not, but I can't seem to find it again!!! Help, please! LOL The young man wants to join but has not gotten his app turned in yet.

No.

We are a >very< exclusive club in that you actually have to join to participate.

New members have a very narrow, highly supervised lane for participation, but even for that level their membership application must
be formally accepted by a unit CC, and they can't do a whole lot until Level I is complete.

Critical AOA · October 05, 2013, 12:33:12 AM

Quote from: usafaux2004 on October 04, 2013, 02:10:41 PM
Well, Silk Road qualifies under those terms. I hope she does get back pay. As do the rest of the workers.

Why should they get back pay? They get paid for doing a job. If they are not doing their job, they don't get paid. Simple as that. I have been laid off a couple of times in my life and when I was recalled, I did not get back pay and I did not expect to.

DMinick · October 05, 2013, 01:06:51 AM

Quote from: Eclipse on October 04, 2013, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: DMinick on October 04, 2013, 09:04:16 PM
New members have a very narrow, highly supervised lane for participation, but even for that level their membership application must
be formally accepted by a unit CC, and they can't do a whole lot until Level I is complete.

Does it make a difference if the person is a cadet or not? And is there a reg on that?

Luis R. Ramos · October 05, 2013, 01:20:30 AM

Because when they show up to work and do not get paid for that day they waste their time.

Remember? They are told "You have to show up, but we are not paying you."

So they are made to spend gas on parking, child care, transportation, etc. when they could be looking for other options on wages. I would support their not getting back pay if they were told "stay home."

Flyer

stillamarine · October 05, 2013, 01:29:46 AM

Actually they can't look elsewhere for wages. at least for the FBI. They must request permission for outside employment. The message they received the other day said no new requests would be approved.

SarDragon · October 05, 2013, 01:36:25 AM

People who are laid off are no longer employees. They sever relations with the company. When they return to the company, they are rehired, and go through almost everything new hires go through.

The folks who have been furloughed remain employees, and do not have to go through a rehire process to return to work.

Luis R. Ramos · October 05, 2013, 02:23:50 AM

Quote

My fiancée gets to report to work everyday and put a code in her payroll to insure she doesn't get paid. The director says he will do everything to insure they get back pay but can not guarantee anything.

A reminder.

The issue above is what I addressed.

David asked "Why should they get back pay?"

If your wife has to show up but not be paid to show up, she has lost money on fuel, parking, etc. and other "stuff." She deserves back pay, no?

And there are other Federal employees that could make better use of their time showing up at work and not get paid.

Flyer

MSG Mac · October 05, 2013, 02:46:02 AM

If they're not being paid, they're not supposed to be working.

Eclipse · October 05, 2013, 02:49:03 AM

Quote from: DMinick on October 05, 2013, 01:06:51 AM
Does it make a difference if the person is a cadet or not? And is there a reg on that?

No. If anything, having cadet-age juveniles around who are not members is probably worse.

jimmydeanno · October 05, 2013, 03:45:12 AM

Quote from: MSG Mac on October 05, 2013, 02:46:02 AM
If they're not being paid, they're not supposed to be working.

Unless they're considered "essential personnel" which gives them the great benefit of being required to work without being paid for it.

Luis R. Ramos · October 05, 2013, 04:09:43 AM

There are many personnel in the "essential" category. For instance, school custodians.

When a blizzard threatens a city, when a storm threatens a city, school custodians are required to work while teachers are released.

Why?

Sidewalks have to be cleared of snow.

Heating systems must still be run, or the pipes will freeze and be damaged by the cold. When the blizzard is over, frozen pipes will leak. Windows break during storms.

If there is no contract or the public employer and that employee class is undergoing a contract negotiation, the public employer can say "you are an essential employee and I can require you to show up to work and I will pay you at the rate I say."

That will not happen in the private sector. That is what the private sector does not know, care, or understand about public employees. That is why the public unions make so much noise during contract negotiations.

Flyer

stillamarine · October 05, 2013, 01:40:26 PM

Quote from: MSG Mac on October 05, 2013, 02:46:02 AM
If they're not being paid, they're not supposed to be working.

The only people being paid is the military. The rest of the fed employees are working free for the time being. Those Capitol Police everyone saw on national tv the other day are in the same position. Working for free and putting their lives on the line for the people holding up their checks.