Lt Col Permanence

[jimmydeanno]

Just a quick question regarding Lt Col promotion permanence.  Is there a way to tell if it is permanent, or if the temporary promotion has been extended?  I'm past the one year mark, but haven't had anything said to me or brought up about it.  I don't see an obvious place in eservices to tell either.  Thoughts?

[lordmonar]

One would suppose that if you have not heard otherwise it is permanent.

If your wing wanted to extend you or demote you and missed the window.....then it is their mistake.....at that point they can only demote you for cause.

YMMV.

[a2capt]

I want to say that I've read recently that now Lt Col has to be re-affirmed after one year to become permanent, perhaps that means that messages will be generated by eServices in preparation for that when those who fall under that starting coming up on their 1 year mark.

[capmaj]

a2capt's statement is correct. You will receive an e-services notification, but it will probably be a fair amount of time after the one year mark before you do.

[flyboy53]

I didn't get anything from e-services.

Generally, however, it's one year time in grade. Once that passes. You're permanent.

I just realized I now have four years time in grade....

[jimmydeanno]

I want to say that I've read recently that now Lt Col has to be re-affirmed after one year to become permanent, perhaps that means that messages will be generated by eServices in preparation for that when those who fall under that starting coming up on their 1 year mark.

Right, it's supposed to go to the Region Commander for revalidation.  I haven't received anything in terms of notification.  I'm still listed as a Lt Col, but I don't know if it was made permanent or if someone clicked the extend probation button.

I guess I'll just assume they were happy and I get to keep it.

[ol'fido]

I hadn't realized it until I saw this thread but I have ten years TIG as a LT Col. As I sit typing this at the IL Summer Encampment, I am sitting about three feet away from a man with nearly 40 years TIG as a LT Col. This is his 64th encampment.

[a2capt]

Will you still love me..  will you still feed me ..
When I'm sixty-four ..

[Spaceman3750]

I hadn't realized it until I saw this thread but I have ten years TIG as a LT Col. As I sit typing this at the IL Summer Encampment, I am sitting about three feet away from a man with nearly 40 years TIG as a LT Col. This is his 64th encampment.

Who is that?

[AlphaSigOU]

Just a little over a year before I become eligible to take the gold tarnish off my 'bottle caps'! I'd figure that as long as you are still active and performing well at any level and didn't wind up getting the 'Region Rajah' angry and putting you in his or her gunsights you should be able to sail through the one year probie period. YMMV depending on the region.

[ol'fido]

I hadn't realized it until I saw this thread but I have ten years TIG as a LT Col. As I sit typing this at the IL Summer Encampment, I am sitting about three feet away from a man with nearly 40 years TIG as a LT Col. This is his 64th encampment.

Who is that?

Lt Col Jim Weiland, the ILWG Commo Licensing Officer. He is also a 50 year member. A few years ago, the encampment staff got a resolution read in the U. S. Congress congratulating him for his CAP service and his encampment participation. In 1979, the first year I went to encampment at Chanute AFB, Lt Col Weiland was the Commandant of Cadets.

[Larry Mangum]

Wow, just realized it has been over 7 years since I pinned on Lt Col. Does not seem that long.

[Camas]

Right, it's supposed to go to the Region Commander for re-validation.  I haven't received anything in terms of notification.  I'm still listed as a Lt Col, but I don't know if it was made permanent or if someone clicked the extend probation button. I guess I'll just assume they were happy and I get to keep it.

You're probably right. I received no notice one way or another - and I'm still wearing silver bottle caps. So I guess it's all good.

[Eclipse]

The Region CC and appropriate designates will have notifications in the promotions module, but depending on your wing and region there may be requirements to justify the affirmation.

My region required my wing CC to submit a narrative to that effect. The only indication he had that it was permanent was that it was no longer in his queue.

So check with wing.

[dwb]

I was told my Lt Col was made permanent, but never got a notification of it. Then, about a year later, I got an auto-generated email from eServices saying it was made permanent.

The thing is, I changed Regions in between those two events, and it listed my new Region CC as the approver. So, I'm guessing my old Region CC only extended the temporary period for one year, then my current one made it permanent.

Bottom line: I believe you'll get an email if it's permanent.

[Garibaldi]

I was always under the assumption that LtCol was the final resting place for most seniors, unless they were appointed Wing or Region CC.

[Eclipse]

Bottom line: I believe you'll get an email if it's permanent.

That has to be new and within the last 6 months.

Is there any indication in the records that it's done?

[dwb]

I pinned on in April 2011, was told in February 2012 that the (Northeast) Region CC was making it permanent, but I didn't get the E-mail from eServices until April 4, 2013 saying that the (Middle East) Region CC had approved it.

No change in my records, as far as I could tell. The process is opaque.

Edit: it's entirely possible my old Wing CC recommended my temporary rank be extended another year, since he already knew I was moving and maybe wanted my new Region CC to make the final decision. Also, my old Region CC could have decided to extend the temporary rank, for whatever reason he may have had.

[Critical AOA]

I've decided to settle for captain permanence. 

[Spaceman3750]

I hadn't realized it until I saw this thread but I have ten years TIG as a LT Col. As I sit typing this at the IL Summer Encampment, I am sitting about three feet away from a man with nearly 40 years TIG as a LT Col. This is his 64th encampment.

Who is that?

Lt Col Jim Weiland, the ILWG Commo Licensing Officer. He is also a 50 year member. A few years ago, the encampment staff got a resolution read in the U. S. Congress congratulating him for his CAP service and his encampment participation. In 1979, the first year I went to encampment at Chanute AFB, Lt Col Weiland was the Commandant of Cadets.

Wow, I didn't realize he had been in for so long. Good on him!

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[Private Investigator]

Lt Col Jim Weiland, the ILWG Commo Licensing Officer. He is also a 50 year member. A few years ago, the encampment staff got a resolution read in the U. S. Congress congratulating him for his CAP service and his encampment participation. In 1979, the first year I went to encampment at Chanute AFB, Lt Col Weiland was the Commandant of Cadets.

How cool is that? Thanks for sharing.  :clap:

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

I hadn't realized it until I saw this thread but I have ten years TIG as a LT Col. As I sit typing this at the IL Summer Encampment, I am sitting about three feet away from a man with nearly 40 years TIG as a LT Col. This is his 64th encampment.

2 Encampment Ribbons with 5 silver clasps plus a 3rd ribbon with 2 silver and a bronze. Maybe we need to add a gold clasp option 

RI Wing has a Lt Col who just hit 50 years TIG.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Wouldn't it be 3 with 4 silver each for 63?

[lordmonar]

Wouldn't it be 3 with 4 silver each for 63?

7 silvers is 35, two bronze is 37, plus two ribbons is 39.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Right...so 12 silvers on 3 ribbons...

[lordmonar]

Oh right.....64 encampments (counting this year)

is 12 Silvers for 60 and four ribbons for 64 (3 with four silvers each).

maybe we need to come up with just silver numbers after we get the first ribbon full.

Ribbon +4 bronzes....(equal 5)....after that you just use a silver 6, 7, 8, etc. and so forth.

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

I stand by my count. The ribbon counts as well as the clasps.

5 Silver = 25 + 1 ribbon = 26 awards.

repeat = 52

12 to get to 64 = ribbon (1) + 2 silver (10) + 1 bronze(1)

[Майор Хаткевич]

Only 4 devices on the ribbon, no 5 piece clasps.

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

<Facepalm>I stand corrected</Facepalm>

Ribbon 1: 4 silver + ribbon = 21
Ribbon 2: 4 silver + ribbon = 21
Ribbon 3: 4 silver + ribbon = 21

= 63 current total
#64 adds a 4th plain ribbon

Maybe we add a gold clasp that equals 5 silver (25 awards)
64 would now be
Ribbon 1: 2 gold (50) + 2 silver (10) + ribbon = 61
Ribbon 2: 2 Bronze (2) + ribbon = 3

Or we use the numerals from the red service ribbon after 20 encampments?

[johnnyb47]

All this discussion on the specifics and I bet the LtCol wears just ONE encampment ribbon... if any at all.

[lordmonar]

<Facepalm>I stand corrected</Facepalm>

Ribbon 1: 4 silver + ribbon = 21
Ribbon 2: 4 silver + ribbon = 21
Ribbon 3: 4 silver + ribbon = 21

= 63 current total
#64 adds a 4th plain ribbon

Maybe we add a gold clasp that equals 5 silver (25 awards)
64 would now be
Ribbon 1: 2 gold (50) + 2 silver (10) + ribbon = 61
Ribbon 2: 2 Bronze (2) + ribbon = 3

Or we use the numerals from the red service ribbon after 20 encampments?

Actually you need to start them at 10.

Ribbon+silver+3 Bronze is 9 encampments...the 10th encmament forces a second ribbon....11th removes the second ribbon and you have 1 ribbon +2 silvers.

So.....I would go either....start at 10.....or better still start at 6....so the progression would be ribbon, bronze, bronze, bronze, bronze, 6, 7, 8, etc and so forth.....so you never go to the second ribbon.

[ol'fido]

All this discussion on the specifics and I bet the LtCol wears just ONE encampment ribbon... if any at all.

You are correct. Lt Col Weiland doesn't usually wear his ribbons at all. He just wears his Master Communications Badge.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Still would be interesting to see a row of encampment ribbons with 4 silver devices.

[Eclipse]

All this discussion on the specifics and I bet the LtCol wears just ONE encampment ribbon... if any at all.

You are correct. Lt Col Weiland doesn't usually wear his ribbons at all. He just wears his Master Communications Badge.

I don't think I've ever seen him wear ribbons, or for that matter anything but a shirt and tie at most.

[ol'fido]

Your one up on me, Bob, I've never seen him wear a tie.

[Critical AOA]

All this discussion on the specifics and I bet the LtCol wears just ONE encampment ribbon... if any at all.

You are correct. Lt Col Weiland doesn't usually wear his ribbons at all. He just wears his Master Communications Badge.

I don't think I've ever seen him wear ribbons, or for that matter anything but a shirt and tie at most.

I think I'd like him.