IT Specialty Badge

JC004 · February 28, 2007, 03:52:02 PM

What the crap?

Looks pretty, I guess...

[ rant ] I understand now. Vanguard was busy producing this instead of the grade slides for the parka? At least they'll be ready for summer. [ / rant ]

MIKE · February 28, 2007, 03:55:53 PM

That ones actually not bad looking compared to some of the others.

Was expecting this:

JC004 · February 28, 2007, 03:58:58 PM

But um...is there a specialty track to be in? I thought it was pretty much just a proposal at the moment.

Pylon · February 28, 2007, 04:12:35 PM

Quote from: JC004 on February 28, 2007, 03:58:58 PM
But um...is there a specialty track to be in? I thought it was pretty much just a proposal at the moment.

The National Board approved a specialty badge for IT, but no actual specialty track has been formalized nor approved. So yeah, there's an official badge that's been designed, approved, and produced -- but no program behind it and nobody can wear it.

There was a collaborative effort and discussion forum at http://cap-it.us/ for a while, several years back. But it fell into disuse, the discussion forum became overrun by spam bots for porn sites, and the site fell into disrepair. It looks like somebody changed the site as of this month, but there's no real content there, all the discussions and different proposals on the track seem to be gone, and it doesn't look terribly active.

*shrug* Form (aka: uniform bling) before substance.

NAYBOR · February 28, 2007, 04:14:51 PM

Since it seems that there is now an IT badge, Has there been an official Health Services insignia yet?

Hammer · February 28, 2007, 04:31:21 PM

Quote from: NAYBOR on February 28, 2007, 04:14:51 PM
Since it seems that there is now an IT badge, Has there been an official Health Services insignia yet?

You mean different from the Medical and Nurse badges? BTW, is there a specialty track for Legal Officer?

Hawk200 · February 28, 2007, 04:34:24 PM

Quote from: Hammer on February 28, 2007, 04:31:21 PMYou mean different from the Medical and Nurse badges? BTW, is there a specialty track for Legal Officer?

Yes, the Medical Services would be a badge similar to all the other specialty track badges like Personnel, Safety, ES, etc.

The specialty track for Legal is 219.

Matt · February 28, 2007, 04:53:02 PM

However, here is an interesting thing I found about the IT Badge on Vanguard... The basic and the master (although can't be used yet) have the same product ID number... who didn't see that one coming...

DNall · February 28, 2007, 06:58:35 PM

So an eagle withe a cloud behing him that's crapping lightning bols down on the whole world? Musta been some hella mexican food.

floridacyclist · February 28, 2007, 07:23:54 PM

What it is saying is:

"Don't mess with the IT folks or we'll disappear your data"

alamrcn · February 28, 2007, 07:26:37 PM

Quote from: Matt on February 28, 2007, 04:53:02 PM
However, here is an interesting thing I found about the IT Badge on Vanguard... The basic and the master (although can't be used yet) have the same product ID number... who didn't see that one coming...

Does the Senior rating have "2.0" on the top in place of a star?

Can someone with some extra Google time find pics of insignia for what would be the military equivilant to this? Wondering if some of the features are similar...

-Ace

Hammer · February 28, 2007, 07:36:45 PM

Quote from: alamrcn on February 28, 2007, 07:26:37 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 28, 2007, 04:53:02 PM
However, here is an interesting thing I found about the IT Badge on Vanguard... The basic and the master (although can't be used yet) have the same product ID number... who didn't see that one coming...

Does the Senior rating have "2.0" on the top in place of a star?

Can someone with some extra Google time find pics of insignia for what would be the military equivilant to this? Wondering if some of the features are similar...

-Ace

Here's the Air Force's Communications Badge:

DNall · February 28, 2007, 07:57:40 PM

^yep... you'll find a fair argument from several people that we have too many badges & that some could be consolidated to cover several specialty tracks - just liek the AF does it. Admin & Personnel as HR for instance. IT & Comm together. And it'd be cheaper & better looking to make smaller shields the same size as AF medical badges.

Hammer · February 28, 2007, 08:09:17 PM

Quote from: DNall on February 28, 2007, 07:57:40 PM
^yep... you'll find a fair argument from several people that we have too many badges & that some could be consolidated to cover several specialty tracks - just liek the AF does it. Admin & Personnel as HR for instance. IT & Comm together. And it'd be cheaper & better looking to make smaller shields the same size as AF medical badges.

Just curious, but does the Air Force have mini-sized Medical Badges like it does for the wings and other occupational badges?

Hawk200 · February 28, 2007, 08:53:14 PM

Quote from: Hammer on February 28, 2007, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: DNall on February 28, 2007, 07:57:40 PM
^yep... you'll find a fair argument from several people that we have too many badges & that some could be consolidated to cover several specialty tracks - just liek the AF does it. Admin & Personnel as HR for instance. IT & Comm together. And it'd be cheaper & better looking to make smaller shields the same size as AF medical badges.

Just curious, but does the Air Force have mini-sized Medical Badges like it does for the wings and other occupational badges?

No they don't. I think the concept was attempted at one time, but the detail was so small and fine that you couldn't tell the difference between the various medical badges. Either that, or the concept was never attempted in the first place for the same reason.

To answer the question that I suspect is coming, full size medical badges may be mixed with mini badges of other types. It's the only time a med badge can be worn with a full size as far as the regs go.

Hawk200 · February 28, 2007, 08:57:43 PM

Quote from: DNall on February 28, 2007, 07:57:40 PM
^yep... you'll find a fair argument from several people that we have too many badges & that some could be consolidated to cover several specialty tracks - just liek the AF does it. Admin & Personnel as HR for instance. IT & Comm together. And it'd be cheaper & better looking to make smaller shields the same size as AF medical badges.

I think there is merit to keeping them separate. You can look at a badge and know exactly what someone does. Wouldn't be any guessing as to what someone's track is.

I don't think that the track badges will change to above the ribbons anytime soon, which I think reducing them in size would probably end up occurring. Unless someone at Vanguard sees a way to make money off it. That would be a compelling reason for them, but a downside for us.

For now, I think the badges need to be left alone.

RiverAux · February 28, 2007, 09:20:54 PM

So, we've got a nice and pretty badge all approved, but haven't bothered to actually create the program for which the badge would be awarded? Glad we have our priorities straight!

DNall · February 28, 2007, 09:24:23 PM

Quote from: Hawk200 on February 28, 2007, 08:57:43 PM
I think there is merit to keeping them separate. You can look at a badge and know exactly what someone does. Wouldn't be any guessing as to what someone's track is.

I don't think that the track badges will change to above the ribbons anytime soon, which I think reducing them in size would probably end up occurring. Unless someone at Vanguard sees a way to make money off it. That would be a compelling reason for them, but a downside for us.

For now, I think the badges need to be left alone.

Well, I do think they should be worn over ribbons just exactly like AF specialty badges, that's what they are after all. Find someone with a master rating & 20 years in a field & thell them hey that's just a duty badge you get for sitting in a slot, you aren't really an expert in any specialize field, that won't go over well. They aren't duty badges, the NEC badge is a duty badge. Anyway, the point of that position, which I didn't come up but do agree with, is it makes things more efficient, which eventually works its way back around.

Quote from: RiverAux on February 28, 2007, 09:20:54 PM
So, we've got a nice and pretty badge all approved, but haven't bothered to actually create the program for which the badge would be awarded? Glad we have our priorities straight!

Funny though isn't it? Not only that but you can actually order teh thing, but there is no authorization to wear it or track to qualify you to do so. Absolute genius there.

lordmonar · February 28, 2007, 11:19:57 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on February 28, 2007, 09:20:54 PM
So, we've got a nice and pretty badge all approved, but haven't bothered to actually create the program for which the badge would be awarded? Glad we have our priorities straight!

Now to be fair....from what I understand...they are working of the IT specialty track. It's just quicker and easier to make a badge than it is to push through anysort of regulation/pamplet in this organisation.

Last I heard, they had a framework all setteled, the argument was about what sort of outside certifications the IT specialists were going to have to have.

Just take a look at the recruiting specialty track and the people who have problems with that.

arajca · March 01, 2007, 12:23:26 AM

The problem (as I see it) with the IT track is the National IT folks took over the planning and development. A group of volunteers had it about 90-95% completed. Yes, there were some dicussions about outside certs, but IIRC, they had mostly been hammered out. When national took it over, the volunteers stopped working on it. Appearently, the national IT folks haven't done anything with it either. I understand they've been busy, but if they can't finish the work on it, they should never have taken the development of the track over.