Quote from: CaptLord on April 30, 2007, 10:48:37 PM
Oh, and of course, boots go well with kilts...

Capt. Lord

I've never felt that boots went well with kilts.  None of the regiments wear anything higher than ankle high boots - and those are usually under spats.

Quote from: DNall on May 01, 2007, 04:47:41 PM
Common sense thing, it's still not going to go over well regardless of what the reg says. I don't know what kind of luck you may have, but we've got a lot of shoes from DRMO that are in great, even new condition. If they absolutely have to go off the res for shoes, I'd sure make certain that they match as best as possible.

The biggest thing I have against boots w/ blues is cadets will get the one pair of boots. One with full service dress, same one with SS blues, same w/ BDUs in formation, and same ones they wear climbing through the muddy woods for ES training. In general they're going to end up looking like azz & still get worn with blues, and that's in no way acceptable.

Makes sense to me. I went to the Ropers because they looked better, although it was unusual for a few people in my unit at first. They shine a whole lot better than combat boots. Yes, I swear by Lincoln Stain Wax, I don't care what Kiwi comes up with, I think the Lincoln looks better. There were some people that didn't even notice that my footwear didn't have laces. But overall, I think they look better.

We get boxes of shoes from local AF JROTC Units.  I found a DOD memo a few years back that directed JROTC Units to give uniform items to CAP or other groups in lieu of sending to DRMO.  I sent a copy to the JROTC Units and get boxes of shoes and Blues at the end of each school year. 

The shoes are generally in great condition.

leather low quarters are always the most appropriate option. I don't mind a decent boot but what I've seen is Corcorans, un bloused (per regulation) and they look goofy. It may be my prior service mind but, jump boots need to be bloused, regardless of the uniform.

All of that having been said, cadets should acquire the least expensive, most compliant footwear possible. My daughter is a cadet and I bought her basic speed lace combat boots and a basic female issue pump. She has already grown out of one pair each and the combined cost was less than the Corcoran II's that she wanted.

Quote from: lasupplyguy on May 02, 2007, 04:50:19 AM
We get boxes of shoes from local AF JROTC Units.  I found a DOD memo a few years back that directed JROTC Units to give uniform items to CAP or other groups in lieu of sending to DRMO.  I sent a copy to the JROTC Units and get boxes of shoes and Blues at the end of each school year. 

The shoes are generally in great condition.

Have you got a copy of the memo or can you post a link?

Quote from: CaptLord on April 30, 2007, 10:48:37 PM
Oh, and of course, boots go well with kilts...

Capt. Lord

You know, I never felt that boots went well with kilts.  Hiking boots, perhaps, for traipsing through the highlands ... but the kind of boots we're discussing just don't do it for me.  Not that I'm an expert, mark you, but I have been wearing highland garb for a couple of decades now, and I never felt they looked right.  Your mileage, of course, may vary.

Jack

If possible, I would also like a copy of the memo.  Then I will proceed to my local ROTC unit..

Quote from: capchiro on May 02, 2007, 01:37:14 PM
If possible, I would also like a copy of the memo.  Then I will proceed to my local ROTC unit..

I would like a copy as well please

Quote from: capchiro on May 02, 2007, 01:37:14 PM
If possible, I would also like a copy of the memo.  Then I will proceed to my local ROTC unit..

I would appreciate one as well, sir.

Quote from: 1LtNurseOfficer on May 02, 2007, 04:15:12 PM

Quote from: capchiro on May 02, 2007, 01:37:14 PM
If possible, I would also like a copy of the memo.  Then I will proceed to my local ROTC unit..

I would appreciate one as well, sir.

I initially found it on the NHQ website, but it has not been there for a few years.  I'll try to get it scanned tommorrow and post copy on this thread.

Quote from: lasupplyguy on May 03, 2007, 01:28:58 AM

Quote from: 1LtNurseOfficer on May 02, 2007, 04:15:12 PM

Quote from: capchiro on May 02, 2007, 01:37:14 PM
If possible, I would also like a copy of the memo.  Then I will proceed to my local ROTC unit..

I would appreciate one as well, sir.

I initially found it on the NHQ website, but it has not been there for a few years.  I'll try to get it scanned tommorrow and post copy on this thread.

How is the scanning going?

Email National, they have a copy of the memo from Air Ubiversity, AFROTC to all AFROTC and AFJROTC units on surplus uniforms for CAP.  They sent me the memo 2-3 years ago, actually I think it was a AFROTC policy letter allowing CAP to get surplus uniforms including shoes

Funny you should ask as I have been working on it this morning.  I scanned the memo, but cannot attach on here because "upload folder was full"? 

Here is the AFJROTC regulations of April 2006.  Section 2.9.5 on page 7 addresses uniform donations to CAP.  http://www.au.af.mil/msd/pubs/afoatsi/afjrotci23-101.pdf

If I figure out how to attach the memo, I will. 

Semper Vi

^^
2.9. Unserviceable Uniform Disposal.
2.9.1. Inventory unserviceable items and prepare a list of all items to be disposed.
2.9.2. The Senior Aerospace Science Instructor (SASI)or principal must sign the list confirming disposal of the items. Maintain a copy of the list for 3 years.
2.9.3. Disposal of uniforms locally is authorized when the following procedures are completed:
2.9.3.1. Remove all buttons with the Air Force symbol from the service dress coat.
2.9.3.2. Remove all shoulder patches.
2.9.4. Unserviceable items may be thrown away.
2.9.5. Donate items to Civil Air Patrol if desired. Charitable/not-for-profit organizations and unofficial JROTC/Leadership Programs in middle schools and high schools are not authorized to receive donated uniforms.

Sounds like CAP is getting trash to me!  PLUS, don't remove the AF buttons if giving the coats to CAP.  THAT would be a waste.

I seriously doubt worn shoes and jackets with holes in them are what we are in need of.

Quote from: mikeylikey on May 07, 2007, 09:13:34 PM
^^
2.9. Unserviceable Uniform Disposal.
2.9.1. Inventory unserviceable items and prepare a list of all items to be disposed.
2.9.2. The Senior Aerospace Science Instructor (SASI)or principal must sign the list confirming disposal of the items. Maintain a copy of the list for 3 years.
2.9.3. Disposal of uniforms locally is authorized when the following procedures are completed:
2.9.3.1. Remove all buttons with the Air Force symbol from the service dress coat.
2.9.3.2. Remove all shoulder patches.
2.9.4. Unserviceable items may be thrown away.
2.9.5. Donate items to Civil Air Patrol if desired. Charitable/not-for-profit organizations and unofficial JROTC/Leadership Programs in middle schools and high schools are not authorized to receive donated uniforms.

Sounds like CAP is getting trash to me!  PLUS, don't remove the AF buttons if giving the coats to CAP.  THAT would be a waste.

I seriously doubt worn shoes and jackets with holes in them are what we are in need of.

The above has not been my experiences with the units here.  The uniforms/service coats have had all their buttons and even some of the AFJROTC patches were still affixed.  Everything I received has been wearable.  I can't say the same for DRMO.

The shoes are used, but in very good condition.  If I have to throw away a couple out of a bag of 50, so what?

Shoes and service coats are the best things we get.  It has worked out great for our Wing.  I would try it and discontinue if you get "trash". 

Is there any chance that DOD memo mentioned above directing ROTC units to give stuff to CAP instead of DRMO will appear?  It certainly would be helpful.  Thanks

Quote from: lasupplyguy on May 07, 2007, 06:39:10 PM
I scanned the memo, but cannot attach on here because "upload folder was full"? 

If I figure out how to attach the memo, I will. 

Semper Vi

Quote from: capchiro on May 11, 2007, 11:59:05 AM
Is there any chance that DOD memo mentioned above directing ROTC units to give stuff to CAP instead of DRMO will appear?  It certainly would be helpful.  Thanks

Still can't post it on the Board due to above.  I'll try to send via PM to all interested.

Quote from: 12211985 on May 01, 2007, 01:16:56 AMOnly downside is they come at $100 a pop.

Might be a bit much for your 13-16 year-old Cadet who's probably going to outgrow them, but for Seniors, hey, they're Florsheims: you'll never have to buy another pair again!

I have a couple of pair of Florsheims for my "day job"  they shine real well.

Quote from: lasupplyguy on May 17, 2007, 02:36:21 AM

Quote from: lasupplyguy on May 07, 2007, 06:39:10 PM
I scanned the memo, but cannot attach on here because "upload folder was full"? 

If I figure out how to attach the memo, I will. 

Semper Vi

Quote from: capchiro on May 11, 2007, 11:59:05 AM
Is there any chance that DOD memo mentioned above directing ROTC units to give stuff to CAP instead of DRMO will appear?  It certainly would be helpful.  Thanks

Still can't post it on the Board due to above.  I'll try to send via PM to all interested.

Here is the memo.  Thanks!!

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LOL, "while you may not donate items to a charitable or not for profit organization you are highly encouraged to donate them to Civil Air Patrol..."