Multiple awards for the same action prohibited by 39-3

Started by Eclipse, May 17, 2013, 05:29:22 PM

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Eclipse

CAPR 39-3. 28 DEC 2012, Page 4

6. Repetitive Awards:

a. Only one award will be made for a single act of heroism, a single meritorious achievement
or one continuous period of meritorious service.


This is why you don't get a Comm Comm when the unit gets SOM, and if you save someone's life, you get either a Livesaving or S/BMV (etc.).

One per coupon.

It's also why you have to be careful how you write 120's, and should pay attention to dates.

"That Others May Zoom"

MSG Mac

Quote from: Eclipse on May 17, 2013, 05:29:22 PM
CAPR 39-3. 28 DEC 2012, Page 4

6. Repetitive Awards:

a. Only one award will be made for a single act of heroism, a single meritorious achievement
or one continuous period of meritorious service.


This is why you don't get a Comm Comm when the unit gets SOM, and if you save someone's life, you get either a Livesaving or S/BMV (etc.).

One per coupon.

It's also why you have to be careful how you write 120's, and should pay attention to dates.

Actually the personnel responsible for the success of that squadron or project that earned the SOM or Unit Citation can be written up for the appropriate awards depending on their contribution to the attainment of that award or program. 
Michael P. McEleney
Lt Col CAP
MSG USA (Retired)
50 Year Member

Eclipse

I disagree - that's a double award for the same thing.

The SOM would be one item on a cumulative decoration for outstanding service, but it should not say "because they got the SOM" as the only criteria.
For that they have already received an award.

"That Others May Zoom"

MIKE

I think it is meant to apply to individual decorations... not necessarily unit citations or service awards etc. 
Mike Johnston

lordmonar

Quote from: Eclipse on May 17, 2013, 05:29:22 PM
CAPR 39-3. 28 DEC 2012, Page 4

6. Repetitive Awards:

a. Only one award will be made for a single act of heroism, a single meritorious achievement
or one continuous period of meritorious service.


This is why you don't get a Comm Comm when the unit gets SOM, and if you save someone's life, you get either a Livesaving or S/BMV (etc.).

One per coupon.

It's also why you have to be careful how you write 120's, and should pay attention to dates.
The SOM/SOD are not decorations.  Also UNIT AWARDS (which the SOM/SOD would be if they were decorations) are not personal acts of heroism......ergo if you in the real military your unit kicked some major but in a battle.....you all get the PUA or MUA or some such....people IN that unit are still eligible for INDIVIDUAL awards related to the activities that related to the Unit Award.

I will also point out that Everyone who goes to encampment gets an encampment ribbon....but our top performers get (or should get) CAP Achievement or CC Coms.

And you CAN get a life saving award along with a find award........but I agree that the S/BMV already incorporate lifesaving as a main criteria so it would be redundant/redundant.....you could though get a Find and S/BMV.

Save a life.....it is either a Life Saving, BMOV or a SMOV.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

ol'fido

Not related to this thread at all really, but could someone PM me a sample write up for a ComCom for a squadron commander coming to the end of their term. I have two in my group that are timed out in the next six months.
Lt. Col. Randy L. Mitchell
Historian, Group 1, IL-006

Eclipse

Quote from: ol'fido on May 18, 2013, 12:40:59 AM
Not related to this thread at all really, but could someone PM me a sample write up for a ComCom for a squadron commander coming to the end of their term. I have two in my group that are timed out in the next six months.

How about...
293 next May, Out you two pixies go... Through the door or out the window!

In all seriousness, I just always wrote either "For exemplary service as Commander, 1234 Squadron", and for a couple "For service as Commander, 1234 Squadron.", with the
dates of the service indicated on the front.  I never had one of those turned down.

"That Others May Zoom"

NIN

The write up for a decoration should *always* include the accomplishments cited.   There shouldn't be an "end of tour" award in CAP.  You should get a decoration for having *accomplished* something besides "getting to the end of your term as unit commander without getting fired or having the unit deactivated."

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JeffDG

Quote from: NIN on May 18, 2013, 02:34:30 AM
The write up for a decoration should *always* include the accomplishments cited.   There shouldn't be an "end of tour" award in CAP.  You should get a decoration for having *accomplished* something besides "getting to the end of your term as unit commander without getting fired or having the unit deactivated."
I guess that award is only for Wing Commanders.

lordmonar

The concept of an "end of tour" decoration is not that you do a tour you get a dec.....but just a rule of thumb of when to do a decoration for sustained service.

If the individual did not do anything that merits an achievement/commendation/meritorious service....then he doesn't get one.

PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

Devil Doc

Quote from: Eclipse on May 17, 2013, 10:20:07 PM
I disagree - that's a double award for the same thing.

The SOM would be one item on a cumulative decoration for outstanding service, but it should not say "because they got the SOM" as the only criteria.
For that they have already received an award.

SOM may be an "Unit Ward" bout how do you wear something on a uniform proving your unit that got award. Should there be a Ribbon made for SOM/SOD units?
Captain Brandon P. Smith CAP
Former HM3, U.S NAVY
Too many Awards, Achievments and Qualifications to list.


lordmonar

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Quote from: Devil Doc on May 18, 2013, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 17, 2013, 10:20:07 PM
I disagree - that's a double award for the same thing.

The SOM would be one item on a cumulative decoration for outstanding service, but it should not say "because they got the SOM" as the only criteria.
For that they have already received an award.

SOM may be an "Unit Ward" bout how do you wear something on a uniform proving your unit that got award. Should there be a Ribbon made for SOM/SOD units?
Already suggested that SOD/SOM come with an automatic National Commander's Unit Citation.  Either that or a new SOD/SOM ribbon (which I don't think we really need).

PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

Private Investigator

Quote from: Eclipse on May 18, 2013, 02:18:39 AM
In all seriousness, I just always wrote either "For exemplary service as Commander, 1234 Squadron", and for a couple "For service as Commander, 1234 Squadron.", with the
dates of the service indicated on the front.  I never had one of those turned down.

Same here. I just got one approved recently for a Squadron Commander who finished his four year tour.

Private Investigator

Quote from: NIN on May 18, 2013, 02:34:30 AM
The write up for a decoration should *always* include the accomplishments cited.   There shouldn't be an "end of tour" award in CAP.  You should get a decoration for having *accomplished* something besides "getting to the end of your term as unit commander without getting fired or having the unit deactivated."

I technically disagree.

Should a Squadron Commander get a Com Com for each accomplishment that they do?

Like a one day event with AOPA earns a Com Com in some Wings. Put on a CPR/AED First Aid class for the local community for one day at the SQ HQ and get a Com Com for that?

Every Wing is different. Some Wings do not give anything, others Wings show lots of generosity to their Staff.

Al Sayre

A little ribbon is the only recognition and " pay" our volunteers get.  If the action meets the requirements for the award in the judgement of the approving authority, then they should get the award for two reasons:  First, they deserve the recognition for a job well done, and second it encourages others to perform in a similar fashion.  JMHO
Lt Col Al Sayre
MS Wing Staff Dude
Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska
GRW #2787

lordmonar

Quote from: Al Sayre on May 18, 2013, 08:44:16 PM
A little ribbon is the only recognition and " pay" our volunteers get.  If the action meets the requirements for the award in the judgement of the approving authority, then they should get the award for two reasons:  First, they deserve the recognition for a job well done, and second it encourages others to perform in a similar fashion.  JMHO
+100 :)
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

Devil Doc

Agree x3 ;D Now where is my ribbon? That will make 3  :-\
Captain Brandon P. Smith CAP
Former HM3, U.S NAVY
Too many Awards, Achievments and Qualifications to list.


Flying Pig

As the Sq Commander, my Squadron earned a Squadron of Merit, and I was awarded a Commanders Commendation by the Wing Commander. 

Devil Doc

I'm the Supply Officer, supposedly. They are working me up for Backup ES Officer, DR Officer. So I really doubt I will get an Award because of my unit being SOM. IMO, my Squadron Commander and Deputy Commander should get the award if any.
Captain Brandon P. Smith CAP
Former HM3, U.S NAVY
Too many Awards, Achievments and Qualifications to list.


Eclipse

Quote from: Private Investigator on May 18, 2013, 06:12:42 PMPut on a CPR/AED First Aid class for the local community for one day at the SQ HQ and get a Com Com for that?

Putting on a CPR/AED First Aid class for the local community should get yo a 2b, not a Comm Comm.

We don't do that.

"That Others May Zoom"