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 11 
 on: Today at 07:53:48 PM 
Started by deepblue1947 - Last post by Luis R. Ramos
I do not know what question were they addressing.

But the one they should be addressing is:

How do we recruit senior members?



 12 
 on: Today at 07:33:02 PM 
Started by deepblue1947 - Last post by arajca

The absolute worst thing you can do, especially with seniors, is to recruit a bunch of warm bodies without a corresponding organizational need and a roadmap for their training. Sit down with your squadron commander, deputy commander and probably the PDO and look at what the squadron needs first.


Is there an 'ideal' squadron size? We have 37 seniors, with about 25 that show up to each meeting. From what I can see most every position is filled and with backup assistants. We have 5 (or more) MPs, so the plane is kept very busy and always exceeds the hobbs goals. Yes, I would like to see our Squadron double in size, but we would be recruiting for assistants to the assistants. Its hard to walk up to someone and be able to say 'we need your help' or 'we have the perfect spot for you'.

Any ideas GREATLY appreciated.

There are 34 positions in the squadron duty assignment list. Add 3 people for dedicated GSAR SQTRs and 3 people for Pilots/Aviation SQTRs, 2 more for fudge factor to assist with areas that require more work than normal and where people in other DAs can't help out... and the answer is 42.

Don't Panic.

42 - The answer to life, the universe, and everything...
But what is the question?

 13 
 on: Today at 07:13:14 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by GrantHenninger
"Wow, its pretty great that the SecAF is visiting Civil Air Patrol National Headquarters. And doing a live social media thing!"
Thats the appropriate response from a senior officer in front of the troops.

Sorry, not feeling it.  The "social", the "media", or why she's even there.
Bob, you don't know me, but if you have such a poor attitude towards CAP, then it's time for you to find other outlets for your energy. Hopefully ones that will bring greater fulfillment and more joy to your life.

Remember, attitudes are contagious, and if you have a bad attitude about CAP it will spread to others who you interact with, both online and in person. This is a good step for the Air Force to publicly recognize the contributions of CAP, and to help spread the word that CAP even exists. This is just one example of the type of support and acknowledgement that CAP has desired for years, and I for one am happy to see it materializing.

 14 
 on: Today at 06:54:53 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by Eclipse
"Wow, its pretty great that the SecAF is visiting Civil Air Patrol National Headquarters. And doing a live social media thing!"
Thats the appropriate response from a senior officer in front of the troops.

Sorry, not feeling it.  The "social", the "media", or why she's even there.

 15 
 on: Today at 06:49:29 PM 
Started by deepblue1947 - Last post by Al Sayre

The absolute worst thing you can do, especially with seniors, is to recruit a bunch of warm bodies without a corresponding organizational need and a roadmap for their training. Sit down with your squadron commander, deputy commander and probably the PDO and look at what the squadron needs first.


Is there an 'ideal' squadron size? We have 37 seniors, with about 25 that show up to each meeting. From what I can see most every position is filled and with backup assistants. We have 5 (or more) MPs, so the plane is kept very busy and always exceeds the hobbs goals. Yes, I would like to see our Squadron double in size, but we would be recruiting for assistants to the assistants. Its hard to walk up to someone and be able to say 'we need your help' or 'we have the perfect spot for you'.

Any ideas GREATLY appreciated.

There are 34 positions in the squadron duty assignment list. Add 3 people for dedicated GSAR SQTRs and 3 people for Pilots/Aviation SQTRs, 2 more for fudge factor to assist with areas that require more work than normal and where people in other DAs can't help out... and the answer is 42.

Don't Panic.

42 - The answer to life, the universe, and everything...

 16 
 on: Today at 06:44:47 PM 
Started by CAPSOC_0pur8ur - Last post by Briank
since everyone obviously dislikes vanguard,

VG has done fine by me.  No complaints here.

 17 
 on: Today at 05:52:45 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by Panzerbjorn
As a separate point, youíre actually going to be better off with a ground team member that also has aircrew qualifications rather than just a ranger strip.  Having someone in your grount team that can speak pilot language, understand what SAR operations look like from the air, and knows exactly how to coordinate with aircraft will be infinitely more valuable to you than someone who has a Ranger 3rd Class qualification.  Ditto for any aircrew member with cross training in ground ops.

 18 
 on: Today at 05:44:17 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by Panzerbjorn
I must've come across in the wrong way. Apologies!

All I am saying is very generally across the board, a CAP Ranger is more likely to have difficult field experience than a Ground Team Member. If you know a GTM guy in your squadron is better at SAR than a Ranger in your squadron, then by all means pick the GTM guy. I'm just saying very generally that if you need to quickly get a group of good GSAR cadets or seniors together, than it may be a better option to take a Ranger qualified cadet/senior than a GTM.

Not on its own, not really.  You need to have a broader picture of someoneís experience and training.  Iím going to use my son as an example because it both illustrates the point and Iím awfully proud of him.  My son is a NESA grad, a Hawk Mountain grad, a PJOC grad, SARTEC II qualified, working on his Expert Ranger, and actively teaches his fellow cadets GTM skills.  Heís had a good balanced perspective and carries the confidence that training has provided but without the elitist attitude that so many Rangers are known for.  He doesnt look down his nose at others with less training, he uses it as an opportunity to teach and share his experience.

Itís all about attitude and being a team player in ES.  The training just backs up that confidence.  Itís his maturity that he builds off of so that heís teaching his fellow cadets what he knows instead of snorting in derision at anyone who doesnít have a ranger strip above their pocket.  His NESA background gave him a standardized experiencethat all his other Ground experience and training is built off.  His Hawk experience gives another perspective and adds a few more tools into the toolbox.  His PJOC experience has given him the physically challenging experience that Hawk can only dream about providing.  Itís also given him the long term motivation to keep himself very physically fit.  His SARTEC training has given him standardozed training for ES missions that outside agencies can understand when they dont know what a GTM3 means. 

Thatís the kind of person you want on your ground team.  Not because he has an Advanced Ranger strip above his pocket.  Rather, because he has a wide spectrum of training, integrates himself into a team as a team player, and wants to help others bring their experience and training up to the same level.  Every NCSA out there brings its own set of experiences to the table.  Anyone who thinks that you should go to one and avoid the others is full of hooey.  Go to as many as possible and bring the best attributes from each into your ES toolbox and be the most well-rounded Ground member you can be.

 19 
 on: Today at 05:19:12 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by kwe1009
I must've come across in the wrong way. Apologies!

All I am saying is very generally across the board, a CAP Ranger is more likely to have difficult field experience than a Ground Team Member. If you know a GTM guy in your squadron is better at SAR than a Ranger in your squadron, then by all means pick the GTM guy. I'm just saying very generally that if you need to quickly get a group of good GSAR cadets or seniors together, than it may be a better option to take a Ranger qualified cadet/senior than a GTM.

Still no.  I haven't seen any real difference between the performance of a GTM versus a CAP Ranger.  I generally see less of an attitude from the GTM which makes the whole team function better.  The last thing I want on a mission is a person (cadet or SM) running around telling everyone how they are better qualified because they are a Ranger.  Knowing how to tie knots, build a fire, etc. are great skills but they rarely help in finding a missing person or ELT. 

 20 
 on: Today at 04:47:56 PM 
Started by therealfirstsergeant - Last post by FW
I must've come across in the wrong way. Apologies!

All I am saying is very generally across the board, a CAP Ranger is more likely to have difficult field experience than a Ground Team Member. If you know a GTM guy in your squadron is better at SAR than a Ranger in your squadron, then by all means pick the GTM guy. I'm just saying very generally that if you need to quickly get a group of good GSAR cadets or seniors together, than it may be a better option to take a Ranger qualified cadet/senior than a GTM.

No, No, and NO...  Generalizations aside, most MC's, and Ground Ops Directors know who their best qualified personnel are.  Just pick them and prosecute the mission.   ;)

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