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General Discussion => Membership => Topic started by: CAPDCCMOM on February 01, 2017, 05:27:59 PM

Title: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: CAPDCCMOM on February 01, 2017, 05:27:59 PM
What not to post in your Recruiting efforts :o

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article129895544.html
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: DJ Light Chop on February 01, 2017, 05:42:05 PM
Hey, free publicity!
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Eclipse on February 01, 2017, 05:56:06 PM
If this was posted using a CAP-related FB account, he's deserves to have free time on evenings and weekends.

If this was posted via a personal FB account, it has nothing to do with CAP, is almost certainly protected by the FAUSC, and criminal prosecution
isn't likely.

With the above said, a Unit CC unable to characterize his thoughts on the matter in a less inflammatory way, or engage a filter better,
isn't likely to keep his badge very long.

I can totally see why I've been wrong about FB all this time.    ::)
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: kwe1009 on February 01, 2017, 06:08:53 PM
The article makes it sound like the guy works for CAP which obviously is not the case.  Another good reason not to list "Squadron Commander of Awesome Composite Squadron" as your job on Facebook.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: NIN on February 01, 2017, 06:16:33 PM
Quote from: CAPDCCMOM on February 01, 2017, 05:27:59 PM
What not to post in your Recruiting efforts :o

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article129895544.html

Oh boy.

Where is that "head pounding on the desk" smiley?
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: CAPDCCMOM on February 01, 2017, 06:22:00 PM
^^^  I looked for the "face palm" emoji, there was not one.    Hey Mods!!, we need a face palm app please
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Eclipse on February 01, 2017, 06:24:27 PM
There is only one faceplam on my internet...

(http://replygif.net/i/1370.gif)

http://www.emporiagazette.com/area_news/article_7976cb84-e821-11e6-85c5-27e71295fd7d.html
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: MSG Mac on February 01, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
You think he'd know better than posting on Facebook.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Offutteer on February 01, 2017, 08:26:04 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on February 01, 2017, 06:08:53 PM
The article makes it sound like the guy works for CAP which obviously is not the case.  Another good reason not to list "Squadron Commander of Awesome Composite Squadron" as your job on Facebook.


Ya, my thought was, what does this guy really do for a living?  CAP commander doesn't pay the bills.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Ed DeSocio on February 01, 2017, 08:47:23 PM
These stories are shocking and heartbreaking.  At least he resigned quickly.
And, yes, that's the best facepalm gif I've ever seen!  Perfectly appropriate.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: jeders on February 01, 2017, 09:34:16 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/1isc03.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/1isc03)
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: TheSkyHornet on February 01, 2017, 09:41:20 PM
Okay, so I get the "be professional, watch what you post" stuff. Aside from that....

But I'm a bit confused here: Was this on a unit page as the unit, a comment made on a unit page, a post by the Commander on his own Facebook news feed, or a comment on someone else's account? I don't see how she was directly threatened (it doesn't seem like they messaged her personally).

That doesn't excuse it, but this seems to be a bit inaccurate as to how it's being presented.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: CAPDCCMOM on February 01, 2017, 09:50:23 PM
I think that regardless of what FB page he used, he was very obviously known as a member of CAP. That goes to the "beware of what you post". We all know that we are losing members at an alarming rate. From what the article states, this is a small Squadron, I am guessing in a small town. How many parents, that were considering getting their young people involved in CAP, have read these articles and have changed their point of view. If, indeed, this is a small, rural, town, the next Squadron could be an hour or more away. Forgive my assumption here, I know very little about Kansas, except that "there's no place like home".

In this digital age, where everyone has a camera in their pocket, it behooves to remember that we are always on display, and we represent CAP at all times.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Storm Chaser on February 02, 2017, 09:27:38 AM
Regardless of whether he posted this comment on a unit FB page (doubtful) or his own personal FB page, CAP commanders at all levels must exercise discretion and prudence before posting on social media. Freedom of speech aside, commanders represent the organization to the public and subordinate members whether conducting official CAP business or not. We don't have the luxury to make a distinction, since the media won't do so either. In this case, the commander exercised poor judgement.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: FW on February 02, 2017, 01:06:50 PM
Where's Kelly Ann when you need her...
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: kwe1009 on February 02, 2017, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on February 01, 2017, 09:41:20 PM
Okay, so I get the "be professional, watch what you post" stuff. Aside from that....

But I'm a bit confused here: Was this on a unit page as the unit, a comment made on a unit page, a post by the Commander on his own Facebook news feed, or a comment on someone else's account? I don't see how she was directly threatened (it doesn't seem like they messaged her personally).

That doesn't excuse it, but this seems to be a bit inaccurate as to how it's being presented.

My guess is on his FB profile he listed "Civil Air Patrol Squadron Commander" as his primary employer like a lot of cadets (and some Seniors) do.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on February 02, 2017, 07:53:36 PM
And this is why I don't associate with CAP on my social media...
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Eclipse on February 02, 2017, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: Майор Хаткевич on February 02, 2017, 07:53:36 PM
And this is why I don't associate with CAP on my social media...

You think you don't, but Google disagrees.  The first search brought up more linkage then you could
scrub in a lifetime - just the nature of being an active member.

Same goes for the gent in question, open-source connectivity all over the web.  He didn't need
to post under anything official for the media or the Rep's office to put those two things together.

That's the problem - it's not just your social marketing media platform use, it's everyone else.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: kwe1009 on February 02, 2017, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 02, 2017, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: Майор Хаткевич on February 02, 2017, 07:53:36 PM
And this is why I don't associate with CAP on my social media...

You think you don't, but Google disagrees.  The first search brought up more linkage then you could
scrub in a lifetime - just the nature of being an active member.

Same goes for the gent in question, open-source connectivity all over the web.  He didn't need
to post under anything official for the media or the Rep's office to put those two things together.

That's the problem - it's not just your social marketing media platform use, it's everyone else.

Very true but today's "journalists" usually won't spend much more time that looking for a FB profile.  Since this guy's post was on FB, it was just a matter of clicking on his name and the "investigative journalism" ended.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: RNOfficer on February 02, 2017, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: CAPDCCMOM on February 01, 2017, 05:27:59 PM
What not to post in your Recruiting efforts :o

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article129895544.html

I's the FRONT PAGE of the Topeka Capitol-Journal

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Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on February 02, 2017, 10:49:13 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 02, 2017, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: Майор Хаткевич on February 02, 2017, 07:53:36 PM
And this is why I don't associate with CAP on my social media...

You think you don't, but Google disagrees.  The first search brought up more linkage then you could
scrub in a lifetime - just the nature of being an active member.

Same goes for the gent in question, open-source connectivity all over the web.  He didn't need
to post under anything official for the media or the Rep's office to put those two things together.

That's the problem - it's not just your social marketing media platform use, it's everyone else.


Oh, I'm not saying someone could figure out that I'm a CAP member. I've got some pictures on my Social media that show me as a member of CAP, but I don't tag myself as such, don't list it, and it would be  a brute force effort to make that link based on my public profiles. On top of it, my social media is locked down to a certain extent, so it shouldn't be too much of an issue.


But this will always be my favorite CAP - Me connection: http://capblog.typepad.com/capblog/2007/02/at_the_request_.html
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: ProdigalJim on February 02, 2017, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: RNOfficer on February 02, 2017, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: CAPDCCMOM on February 01, 2017, 05:27:59 PM
What not to post in your Recruiting efforts :o

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article129895544.html

I's the FRONT PAGE of the Topeka Capitol-Journal

"Messages left with the Civil Air Patrol headquarters were not immediately returned Tuesday afternoon."

This doesn't help.


Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Mitchell 1969 on February 03, 2017, 01:13:28 AM
Quote from: DJ Light Chop on February 01, 2017, 05:42:05 PM
Hey, free publicity!

There is no prosecution for this, as he committed no crime. (No threat accompanied by "present ability.")

But it's a PR hit bit both the local unit and CAP in general. And, in that regard, this does not help:

<<Messages left with the Civil Air Patrol headquarters were not immediately returned Tuesday afternoon.>> Does CAP even have a Crisis Management Team, a Crisis Management Plan? Because this how organizations GET Crisis Management structures - I've seen it done and been well paid to make it happen.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: stillamarine on February 03, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: ProdigalJim on February 02, 2017, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: RNOfficer on February 02, 2017, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: CAPDCCMOM on February 01, 2017, 05:27:59 PM
What not to post in your Recruiting efforts :o

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article129895544.html

I's the FRONT PAGE of the Topeka Capitol-Journal

"Messages left with the Civil Air Patrol headquarters were not immediately returned Tuesday afternoon."

This doesn't help.

Could be a time zone thing? I don't know what time zone KC is on, we are central here in Bama. Also depends on the number they called I reckon.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on February 03, 2017, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: stillamarine on February 03, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: ProdigalJim on February 02, 2017, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: RNOfficer on February 02, 2017, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: CAPDCCMOM on February 01, 2017, 05:27:59 PM
What not to post in your Recruiting efforts :o

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article129895544.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article129895544.html)

I's the FRONT PAGE of the Topeka Capitol-Journal

"Messages left with the Civil Air Patrol headquarters were not immediately returned Tuesday afternoon."

This doesn't help.

Could be a time zone thing? I don't know what time zone KC is on, we are central here in Bama. Also depends on the number they called I reckon.


It's a message...whomever heard it, should have escalated it to the right people.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: MSG Mac on February 03, 2017, 04:08:36 PM
I wish the press would do their due diligence in reporting the facts.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on February 03, 2017, 04:18:36 PM
Quote from: MSG Mac on February 03, 2017, 04:08:36 PM
I wish the press would do their due diligence in reporting the facts.


It doesn't sound as interesting when "John Q. Nobody threatens government official".
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: CAPDCCMOM on February 03, 2017, 04:19:01 PM
 how was the press negligent? He made the post, he was known as a CAP Commander, he resigned. Those are the facts of the story. Was it criminal, probably not, was it a VERY poor choice, OH YEAH!!! A Commander has to be careful in word and deed at all times. That is a fact.
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on February 03, 2017, 04:20:53 PM
And to be fair, NHQ DID get on it: http://www.emporiagazette.com/area_news/article_7976cb84-e821-11e6-85c5-27e71295fd7d.html
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: waukwiz on February 04, 2017, 05:27:15 AM
Hope this event will at least serve as a wake up call to some. Remind your fellow members that whenever you attach the name of the CAP to yourself, folks on the outside no longer see you, they see the CAP. This goes for cadets who act like stereotypical teenage nuisances in public in uniform just like it goes for senior members saying inappropriate things online under the occupation title "Hero at Civil Air Patrol".
Title: Re: Keeping it Classy in CAP
Post by: Brad on February 05, 2017, 05:58:32 PM
Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on February 03, 2017, 01:13:28 AM...Does CAP even have a Crisis Management Team, a Crisis Management Plan? Because this how organizations GET Crisis Management structures - I've seen it done and been well paid to make it happen.

They're supposed to per CAPR 190-1:
Quote7.1.3. PA Crisis Communications Plan. In consultation with their commanders, PAOs at the wing and region levels will develop a Crisis Communications Plan to ensure a rapid and effective response during an emergency that may damage the organization's reputation if mishandled. Crisis PA plans will reflect guidance outlined in the CAP NHQ, Writing a Crisis Communication Plan. All crisis communication plans will be approved by the commander or designated representative. Wing and region crisis plans will be reviewed annually in the first quarter of the calendar year and if revised, submitted to NHQ PA for review and input.