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http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/CAP_Vector_JulySept_2016_7FEC30A9BFB82.pdf (http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/CAP_Vector_JulySept_2016_7FEC30A9BFB82.pdf)

Air Force Career Development Courses: In addition to the rank specific distance learning courses (SOS, ACSC, AWC)
offered to CAP members by the Air Force, CAP members my now take Air Force career development courses (CDC).
The Air Force CDCs do not require a college degree. You can enhance your knowledge in any one of numerous
technical areas offered by the Air Force. To review the available courses go to the Career Development Courses
page on the capmemembers.com website or through the following link: Career Development Courses. If you have
any questions, contact Ron Olienyk at rolienyk@capnhq.gov.

http://www.capmembers.com/cap_university/cap_elearning/career-development-courses/ (http://www.capmembers.com/cap_university/cap_elearning/career-development-courses/)
Sample of courses

Administration
Aircraft Communication/Navigation Systems
Aircrew Flight Equipment
Broadcasting/Public Affairs
Chapel
Civil Engineering
Civil Engineering–Fire Protection
Command Control Systems
Contracting
Financial
Fuels
Instructor Methodology Course
Knowledge Operations
Logistics, Plans, and Programs
Manned Air and Space Maintenance
Maintenance Management Systems
Medical
Missile & Space Systems Maintenance
Mission Support
Munitions & Weapons
Paralegal
Precision Measurement
Safety
Services
Security Forces
Supervisor Safety
Supply
Transportation & Vehicle Maintenance

These classes are also available to Cadets who have earned the Mitchell award or higher.

That's awesome news! I hope to take a look and see how the courses look and feel sometime soon.

Also I want to take one of those Missile Maintenance courses. Don't know why, but I do.

Neat?

Except what does "security forces" "CE - Fire protection" " munitions & weapons" have to bring to our table?

(Just FYI, I have done the CDC's for SF through my 7 level, and it is absolutely worthless to CAP.)

Nothing, but there are a lot on the list that may have some value, either directly, indirectly,
or as a value-add for members.

There's a lot of STEM subjects in the catalog, cyber, engineering, aviation, etc.
That list above is just a small sampling.

I think this may be something I'll check out myself.  Doesn't hurt on your resume,
and for cadets, serious career exploration, not to mention potentially getting the jump
on military careers.

The Instructor Methodology Course is probably the only course listed that would be a direct transfer to CAP.

CAP members have been eligible for CDC courses for a long time. I've completed a dozen or so over the years.

The Instructor Methodology Course was mostly theory about developing courses. For instructors, I highly recommend the free FEMA course IS-26: Basic Instructional Skills, which is probably more practical.

Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2016, 05:11:18 AM
Nothing, but there are a lot on the list that may have some value, either directly, indirectly,
or as a value-add for members.

There's a lot of STEM subjects in the catalog, cyber, engineering, aviation, etc.
That list above is just a small sampling.

I think this may be something I'll check out myself.  Doesn't hurt on your resume,
and for cadets, serious career exploration, not to mention potentially getting the jump
on military careers.

These items are rewritten every 2-3 years.   Plus alot of it will contain FOUO items as well. 

This is awesome. A lot of these qualify as college credits under ACE too.

Quote from: AdAstra on July 02, 2016, 06:04:50 AM
CAP members have been eligible for CDC courses for a long time. I've completed a dozen or so over the years.

The Instructor Methodology Course was mostly theory about developing courses. For instructors, I highly recommend the free FEMA course IS-26: Basic Instructional Skills, which is probably more practical.

I did the FBI Instructor School a couple months ago. Talk about the longest week of my life!

QuoteEligibility
Student eligibility is governed by the policies contained in AFI 36–2201. Participation in the program will not affect selection to the corresponding resident school.
AFCDA courses are available to a variety of individuals whose eligibility to enroll is based on their association with the US Government. Listed below are the various groups whose members may enroll in AFCDA courses. Following the list is a table of enrollment channels for these personnel.
...
2. Civil Air Patrol senior member officers or cadets who have achieved the General Billy Mitchell Award or higher.

Looks like cadets that are overachievers can get in on this too.

Quote from: Starfleet Auxiliary on July 02, 2016, 07:25:40 PM

QuoteEligibility
Student eligibility is governed by the policies contained in AFI 36–2201. Participation in the program will not affect selection to the corresponding resident school.
AFCDA courses are available to a variety of individuals whose eligibility to enroll is based on their association with the US Government. Listed below are the various groups whose members may enroll in AFCDA courses. Following the list is a table of enrollment channels for these personnel.
...
2. Civil Air Patrol senior member officers or cadets who have achieved the General Billy Mitchell Award or higher.

Looks like cadets that are overachievers can get in on this too.

But not Senior Members who wear stripes.

I looked earlier, and I believe Level 1 is the only actual qualification. Keep in mind these are enlisted classes.

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Asking this question for situational awareness purposes, this is only for distance learning courses, correct?

It's not as if a CAP member can take 6-13 weeks off work to go to a full blown Tech school...

or now can they?

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 10:28:10 PM
Asking this question for situational awareness purposes, this is only for distance learning courses, correct?

It's not as if a CAP member can take 6-13 weeks off work to go to a full blown Tech school...

or now can they?

No and they never have been able to either.

Quote from: DakRadz on July 02, 2016, 08:27:02 PM
I looked earlier, and I believe Level 1 is the only actual qualification. Keep in mind these are enlisted classes.

Correct - Level 1 for seniors, Mitchell for cadets.

Quote from: PHall on July 04, 2016, 11:06:32 PM

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 10:28:10 PM
Asking this question for situational awareness purposes, this is only for distance learning courses, correct?

It's not as if a CAP member can take 6-13 weeks off work to go to a full blown Tech school...

or now can they?

No and they never have been able to either.

So theses are just the "books" to complete the Level 3, 5 and 7 courses without the school portion and the PME (i.e. ALS, NCOA, SNCOA, etc.)?

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 11:14:39 PM
So theses are just the "books" to complete the Level 3, 5 and 7 courses without the school portion and the PME (i.e. ALS, NCOA, SNCOA, etc.)?

"Books"?  They are full correspondence courses, including the requirement to compete the final assessments at an approved testing center for completion credit.

These courses comprise the "knowledge" portion of the tech school curriculum. There is no accompanying practicum.

Quote from: Eclipse on July 04, 2016, 11:19:40 PM

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 11:14:39 PM
So theses are just the "books" to complete the Level 3, 5 and 7 courses without the school portion and the PME (i.e. ALS, NCOA, SNCOA, etc.)?

"Books"?  They are full correspondence courses, including the requirement to compete the final assessments at an approved testing center for completion credit.

Back in the day, when you showed up to your first duty station after Tech School, they thru a stack of books at you.

I realize today that all of them are computerized distance learning modules now, hence the "quotes".

Quote from: SarDragon on July 04, 2016, 11:28:37 PM
These courses comprise the "knowledge" portion of the tech school curriculum. There is no accompanying practicum.

Roger. That's what I thought but I just wanted to confirm.

It be really interesting if the USAF were to allow CAP members to attend the practicum portions, very unlikely, but an interesting idea.

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 11:37:06 PM

Quote from: Eclipse on July 04, 2016, 11:19:40 PM

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 11:14:39 PM
So theses are just the "books" to complete the Level 3, 5 and 7 courses without the school portion and the PME (i.e. ALS, NCOA, SNCOA, etc.)?

"Books"?  They are full correspondence courses, including the requirement to compete the final assessments at an approved testing center for completion credit.

Back in the day, when you showed up to your first duty station after Tech School, they thru a stack of books at you.

I realize today that all of them are computerized distance learning modules now, hence the "quotes".

Back in the day, i.e. 1975, when I arrived at my first duty station after graduating from tech school, I was immediately enrolled into the ECI Course to start earning my 5 Level. And I hadn't even been "officially" awarded my 3 Level yet!

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 11:39:55 PM

Quote from: SarDragon on July 04, 2016, 11:28:37 PM
These courses comprise the "knowledge" portion of the tech school curriculum. There is no accompanying practicum.

Roger. That's what I thought but I just wanted to confirm.

It be really interesting if the USAF were to allow CAP members to attend the practicum portions, very unlikely, but an interesting idea.

Why would they? What would the Air Force gain from this?

Quote from: PHall on July 05, 2016, 12:07:41 AM

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 11:39:55 PM

Quote from: SarDragon on July 04, 2016, 11:28:37 PM
These courses comprise the "knowledge" portion of the tech school curriculum. There is no accompanying practicum.

Roger. That's what I thought but I just wanted to confirm.

It be really interesting if the USAF were to allow CAP members to attend the practicum portions, very unlikely, but an interesting idea.

Why would they? What would the Air Force gain from this?

On top of that, what would the benefit to CAP be? Some "book learnin'" might be of some general usefulness, depending on the specific topic, but all the practical knowledge I got in my Navy tech schools, less tools and soldering, has not made me a better asset to CAP.

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 11:37:06 PM

Quote from: Eclipse on July 04, 2016, 11:19:40 PM

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 11:14:39 PM
So theses are just the "books" to complete the Level 3, 5 and 7 courses without the school portion and the PME (i.e. ALS, NCOA, SNCOA, etc.)?

"Books"?  They are full correspondence courses, including the requirement to compete the final assessments at an approved testing center for completion credit.

Back in the day, when you showed up to your first duty station after Tech School, they thru a stack of books at you.

I realize today that all of them are computerized distance learning modules now, hence the "quotes".

They are more of a hybrid today. The AF will not spend the money on CDCs being printed so instead you get a PDF version, and have 30 days per volume (just like it used to be). You sit down with your supervisor and test out of each volume via the built-in self tests (multi choice). Upon completion of ALL volumes, you again sit down and run practice tests, or verbal quizzes, whichever your flight uses, to determine readiness for the final test. You will report to the base testing center within 30 days of completion of the last volume to test out of your CDCs.

All the Air Force has done is make it so you print them out on your dime, really.

Quote from: PHall on July 05, 2016, 12:07:41 AM
Why would they? What would the Air Force gain from this?

Better, more well rounded, membership in its Auxiliary?

Heightened awareness of its Auxiliary?

I seem to recall a press release about "Total something or other..."  might have been a misprint.

Quote from: Eclipse on July 05, 2016, 12:21:18 AM

Quote from: PHall on July 05, 2016, 12:07:41 AM
Why would they? What would the Air Force gain from this?

Better, more well rounded membership in its Auxiliary?

Heightened awareness of it Auxiliary?

I seem to recall a press release about "Total something or other..."  might have been a misprint.

The costs would be astronomical. Who's going to pay for your 6-month stay at Sheppard Air Force Base as you cover maintenance principals, or at Fort Sam Houston as you cover medical, or wherever for the course you've chosen? Even a few weeks will be costly at the "space available" rate ($~50/night), but lodging charges more for folks staying for official reasons, and those official reasons keep you from being booted from the hotel for other people.

Not to mention the slot for the class - the AF is not likely to boot an Airman so you can attend this course. These classes are often full enough, they have airmen sitting around at tech school cleaning things for up to a month waiting for another to start. The CDCs are good enough to make you a well-rounded member of CAP, depending on which courses one pursues.

Quote from: PHall on July 05, 2016, 12:07:41 AM

Quote from: shuman14 on July 04, 2016, 11:39:55 PM

Quote from: SarDragon on July 04, 2016, 11:28:37 PM
These courses comprise the "knowledge" portion of the tech school curriculum. There is no accompanying practicum.

Roger. That's what I thought but I just wanted to confirm.

It be really interesting if the USAF were to allow CAP members to attend the practicum portions, very unlikely, but an interesting idea.

Why would they? What would the Air Force gain from this?

Trained CAP augmentees to assist the USAF in the rare (extremely rare) case of manpower shortages.

It could fall under USAFAux mission parameters.

QuoteThe costs would be astronomical. Who's going to pay for your 6-month stay at Sheppard Air Force Base as you cover maintenance principals, or at Fort Sam Houston as you cover medical, or wherever for the course you've chosen? Even a few weeks will be costly at the "space available" rate ($~50/night), but lodging charges more for folks staying for official reasons, and those official reasons keep you from being booted from the hotel for other people.

Not to mention the slot for the class - the AF is not likely to boot an Airman so you can attend this course. These classes are often full enough, they have airmen sitting around at tech school cleaning things for up to a month waiting for another to start. The CDCs are good enough to make you a well-rounded member of CAP, depending on which courses one pursues.

Are all Tech schools that long? Are there any USAFR/AFNG schools that are geared at 2 weeks in length?

In the USAR/ARNG you can usually do a years worth of distance learning with a 2 week capstone training (i.e. shake-n-bake school) and be awarded a new MOS. Does the Air Force do anything like that?

If they did, I'm sure there would be members of CAP that would be willing can afford the time off from work, travel and lodging to get a USAF certified Tech school under their belt.

Quote from: shuman14 on July 05, 2016, 01:37:20 AM

QuoteThe costs would be astronomical. Who's going to pay for your 6-month stay at Sheppard Air Force Base as you cover maintenance principals, or at Fort Sam Houston as you cover medical, or wherever for the course you've chosen? Even a few weeks will be costly at the "space available" rate ($~50/night), but lodging charges more for folks staying for official reasons, and those official reasons keep you from being booted from the hotel for other people.

Not to mention the slot for the class - the AF is not likely to boot an Airman so you can attend this course. These classes are often full enough, they have airmen sitting around at tech school cleaning things for up to a month waiting for another to start. The CDCs are good enough to make you a well-rounded member of CAP, depending on which courses one pursues.

Are all Tech schools that long? Are there any USAFR/AFNG schools that are geared at 2 weeks in length?

In the USAR/ARNG you can usually do a years worth of distance learning with a 2 week capstone training (i.e. shake-n-bake school) and be awarded a new MOS. Does the Air Force do anything like that?

If they did, I'm sure there would be members of CAP that would be willing can afford the time off from work, travel and lodging to get a USAF certified Tech school under their belt.

Certainly not all, but the "pop-tarts" (phrase for the in-and-out schools) aren't exactly common either. If I remember correctly, during part 1 of my tech school at Keesler, there was 1 career field that did the pop-tart school and were graduated within 2 weeks, but the vast majority of us were there for 6 weeks to a year.

Part 2 at Sheppard had MAYBE 1 pop-tart style school. Our part 2 was 4-6 months, my overall Pt 1 and 2 lasting for 6 months.

USAF does not distinguish between Active, Guard or Reserve for training, we all go to the same BMT and tech schools.

Quote from: shuman14 on July 05, 2016, 01:37:20 AM

QuoteThe costs would be astronomical. Who's going to pay for your 6-month stay at Sheppard Air Force Base as you cover maintenance principals, or at Fort Sam Houston as you cover medical, or wherever for the course you've chosen? Even a few weeks will be costly at the "space available" rate ($~50/night), but lodging charges more for folks staying for official reasons, and those official reasons keep you from being booted from the hotel for other people.

Not to mention the slot for the class - the AF is not likely to boot an Airman so you can attend this course. These classes are often full enough, they have airmen sitting around at tech school cleaning things for up to a month waiting for another to start. The CDCs are good enough to make you a well-rounded member of CAP, depending on which courses one pursues.

Are all Tech schools that long? Are there any USAFR/AFNG schools that are geared at 2 weeks in length?

In the USAR/ARNG you can usually do a years worth of distance learning with a 2 week capstone training (i.e. shake-n-bake school) and be awarded a new MOS. Does the Air Force do anything like that?

If they did, I'm sure there would be members of CAP that would be willing can afford the time off from work, travel and lodging to get a USAF certified Tech school under their belt.

The shortest Tech Schools that I know of are 8 weeks long. Most are in the 12 to 36 week range with a few being in the 60 to 72 week range.
When you go to a Tech School in the USAFR/ANG you are placed on an Active Duty "School Tour".

Quote from: PHall on July 05, 2016, 01:52:34 AM

Quote from: shuman14 on July 05, 2016, 01:37:20 AM

QuoteThe costs would be astronomical. Who's going to pay for your 6-month stay at Sheppard Air Force Base as you cover maintenance principals, or at Fort Sam Houston as you cover medical, or wherever for the course you've chosen? Even a few weeks will be costly at the "space available" rate ($~50/night), but lodging charges more for folks staying for official reasons, and those official reasons keep you from being booted from the hotel for other people.

Not to mention the slot for the class - the AF is not likely to boot an Airman so you can attend this course. These classes are often full enough, they have airmen sitting around at tech school cleaning things for up to a month waiting for another to start. The CDCs are good enough to make you a well-rounded member of CAP, depending on which courses one pursues.

Are all Tech schools that long? Are there any USAFR/AFNG schools that are geared at 2 weeks in length?

In the USAR/ARNG you can usually do a years worth of distance learning with a 2 week capstone training (i.e. shake-n-bake school) and be awarded a new MOS. Does the Air Force do anything like that?

If they did, I'm sure there would be members of CAP that would be willing can afford the time off from work, travel and lodging to get a USAF certified Tech school under their belt.

The shortest Tech Schools that I know of are 8 weeks long. Most are in the 12 to 36 week range with a few being in the 60 to 72 week range.
When you go to a Tech School in the USAFR/ANG you are placed on an Active Duty "School Tour".

Which is why I decided not to go to the AFRes. Only thing I could have done had I think an 8 week tech school and I neither can afford to, nor have the inclination to leave home for 8 weeks for a tech school. A deployment is another story.

Quote from: TheTravelingAirman on July 05, 2016, 01:51:35 AM

Certainly not all, but the "pop-tarts" (phrase for the in-and-out schools) aren't exactly common either. If I remember correctly, during part 1 of my tech school at Keesler, there was 1 career field that did the pop-tart school and were graduated within 2 weeks, but the vast majority of us were there for 6 weeks to a year.

Oh man....I haven't heard that term in ages!  Do they still call them pop-tarts?  Do they still make Pinger Detectors in electronics fundies?  I still have mine somewhere in a box.  What was your school for?

There's no benefit to the AF allow CAP to attend the tech schools.  Can't use them operationally and to simply get credit is a waste of resources.

QuoteThere's no benefit to the AF allow CAP to attend the tech schools.  Can't use them operationally and to simply get credit is a waste of resources.

So other than "situational awareness" and the potential "free college credits", there is no purpose to taking these courses at all?  :-\

Quote from: audiododd on July 05, 2016, 02:55:47 AM

Quote from: TheTravelingAirman on July 05, 2016, 01:51:35 AM

Certainly not all, but the "pop-tarts" (phrase for the in-and-out schools) aren't exactly common either. If I remember correctly, during part 1 of my tech school at Keesler, there was 1 career field that did the pop-tart school and were graduated within 2 weeks, but the vast majority of us were there for 6 weeks to a year.

Oh man....I haven't heard that term in ages!  Do they still call them pop-tarts?  Do they still make Pinger Detectors in electronics fundies?  I still have mine somewhere in a box.  What was your school for?

We called them pop-tarts in '08-'09. I'm Avionics, originally Sensors, but we died. Electronic Principals didn't have us building anything, the only hands-on that wasn't learning how to use analog test equipment was soldering and safety wiring. A lot of that knowledge is expected to be given at your duty station.

Quote from: shuman14 on July 05, 2016, 03:29:04 AM

QuoteThere's no benefit to the AF allow CAP to attend the tech schools.  Can't use them operationally and to simply get credit is a waste of resources.

So other than "situational awareness" and the potential "free college credits", there is no purpose to taking these courses at all?  :-\

Did you even read what was posted???? No as usual you didn't. 

I think the whole "What does this do for CAP?" sub-thread misses a pretty big boat.

Providing these courses to CAP members may bring minimal benefit to CAP. Or none at all, for that matter. But, providing the courses might benefit some individual members of CAP.

The courses aren't mandated. USAF has made them available to CAP. CAP has told their members. From here on, it's up to the members to slide their trays down the cafeteria line and see if they have interest in or need for the courses. See something you like? Put it on your tray and move on. Nothing strikes your fancy? Sorry.

In that regard, why can't people just see it as a.....wait for it....MEMBERSHIP BENEFIT?

CAP has a bunch of membership benefits. Slide your tray, help yourself. Or don't. Your choice. But I've never heard anyone ask "Tuition discount for Masters in Health Care Informatics? How does THAT benefit CAP? Or, "Hertz discount? I don't rent cars, how does that benefit me OR CAP?"

Slide your tray. Take the courses or don't. They aren't costing you anything. Be grateful if you can use them. Say "Oh, well" if you can't. Move on.



Ps - CAP membership benefits from the website. Slide your tray.

http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/member_benefits/ (http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/member_benefits/)

Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on July 05, 2016, 05:36:11 PM
I think the whole "What does this do for CAP?" sub-thread misses a pretty big boat.

Providing these courses to CAP members may bring minimal benefit to CAP. Or none at all, for that matter. But, providing the courses might benefit some individual members of CAP.

The courses aren't mandated. USAF has made them available to CAP. CAP has told their members. From here on, it's up to the members to slide their trays down the cafeteria line and see if they have interest in or need for the courses. See something you like? Put it on your tray and move on. Nothing strikes your fancy? Sorry.

In that regard, why can't people just see it as a.....wait for it....MEMBERSHIP BENEFIT?

CAP has a bunch of membership benefits. Slide your tray, help yourself. Or don't. Your choice. But I've never heard anyone ask "Tuition discount for Masters in Health Care Informatics? How does THAT benefit CAP? Or, "Hertz discount? I don't rent cars, how does that benefit me OR CAP?"

Slide your tray. Take the courses or don't. They aren't costing you anything. Be grateful if you can use them. Say "Oh, well" if you can't. Move on.



Ps - CAP membership benefits from the website. Slide your tray.

http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/member_benefits/ (http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/member_benefits/)

Thank you for posting this.

Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on July 05, 2016, 05:36:11 PM
I think the whole "What does this do for CAP?" sub-thread misses a pretty big boat.

Providing these courses to CAP members may bring minimal benefit to CAP. Or none at all, for that matter. But, providing the courses might benefit some individual members of CAP.

The courses aren't mandated. USAF has made them available to CAP. CAP has told their members. From here on, it's up to the members to slide their trays down the cafeteria line and see if they have interest in or need for the courses. See something you like? Put it on your tray and move on. Nothing strikes your fancy? Sorry.

In that regard, why can't people just see it as a.....wait for it....MEMBERSHIP BENEFIT?

CAP has a bunch of membership benefits. Slide your tray, help yourself. Or don't. Your choice. But I've never heard anyone ask "Tuition discount for Masters in Health Care Informatics? How does THAT benefit CAP? Or, "Hertz discount? I don't rent cars, how does that benefit me OR CAP?"

Slide your tray. Take the courses or don't. They aren't costing you anything. Be grateful if you can use them. Say "Oh, well" if you can't. Move on.



Ps - CAP membership benefits from the website. Slide your tray.

http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/member_benefits/ (http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/member_benefits/)

Sir,

The thread shifted from CDC's to actually attending Air Force Tech schools.  I posed the question of what does the Air Force gain from allowing this if the member can not be used operationally. 

I am all for training opportunities and branching out but the training needs to be something that can be readily and consistently applied and most importantly used. 

Want to read some CDC's sure go ahead,  but how are you going to take the exam for course credit?  How are you going to apply what you have read and tested on? 

Outside of gee whiz stuff how does CAP benefit from it if it can not be used?

Quote from: abdsp51 on July 05, 2016, 06:31:32 PM
The thread shifted from CDC's to actually attending Air Force Tech schools.  I posed the question of what does the Air Force gain from allowing this if the member can not be used operationally. 

I am all for training opportunities and branching out but the training needs to be something that can be readily and consistently applied and most importantly used. 

Want to read some CDC's sure go ahead,  but how are you going to take the exam for course credit?  How are you going to apply what you have read and tested on? 

Outside of gee whiz stuff how does CAP benefit from it if it can not be used?

At an approved testing center as mentioned several times.

Application is subjective to the member, however I would imagine classes in Cyber security could certainly be useful in an organization where
many websites can't even implement a certificate properly.

The list of classes is VERY long, hitting all sorts of corners of life, CAP and otherwise.  As usual, the reasoning behind the few NHQ chose to post
on the site with info is difficult to fathom, but look at some of these others.

(very poorly hacked out list from the CDC Index:
Command Control Systems Operations
Combat Control Journeyman
Combat Control Journeyman
Command Post Journeyman
Command Post Craftsman
Tactical Air Control Party Journeyman
Command And Control Battle Management Operations Journeyman
Space Systems Operations Journeyman
Ground Radar Systems Journeyman
Airfield Systems Journeyman
Intelligence
Airborne Cryptologic Language Analyst Journeyman
Airborne Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Operator
Operations Intelligence Journeyman
Intelligence Fundamentals
Fundamentals Of Geospatial Intelligence
Signals Intelligence Analyst Journeyman
Fusion Analysis Journeyman
Aircrew Flight Equipment
Aircrew Flight Equipment Journeyman
Aircrew Flight Equipment Craftsman
Safety
Safety Journeyman
Weather
AWeather Journeyman
BWeather Journeyman
Special Operations Weather Journeyman
Weather Craftsman
Weather Craftsman
Special Operations Weather Craftsman
Manned Air and Space Maintenance
Air and Space Ground Equipment
Special Operations Forces/Personnel Recovery Integrated COMM/Nav/Missions Journeyman
SOF/PR Instrument & Flight Control Systems Journeyman
Special Operations Forces/Personnel Recovery Electronic Warfare Systems Journeyman
Integrated Fighter Avionic Systems Journeyman
Avionic Systems Journeyman
Avionic Systems Journeyman
Avionic Systems Journeyman
AA  /F  /F  /U Avionic Systems Craftsman
AAdvanced Integrated Avionic Systems Journeyman
AAF  Advanced Integrated Avionic Systems Journeyman
AMQ  /MQ  /RQ   Advanced Integrated Avionic Systems Craftsman
AAerospace Ground Equipment Journeyman
AAerospace Ground Equipment Craftsman

Aircraft Hydraulic 
AAircraft Hydraulic Systems Journeyman
Aircrew Egress 
AAircrew Egress Systems Journeyman
Aircraft Fuels
AAircraft Fuel Systems Journeyman 
Helicopter
AHelicopter/Tilt Rotor Journeyman
Air and Space Propulsion
ACAerospace Propulsion Journeyman
AFAerospace Propulsion Journeyman 
AHAerospace Propulsion Journeyman 
F   Avionics 
Structural Maintenance
AAircraft Metals Technology Journeyman
ANondestructive Inspection Journeyman
AAircraft Structural Maintenance Journeyman
ALow Observable Aircraft Structural Maintenance Journeyman 
AMobility Air Force Integrated Communication/Navigation/Mission System Journeyman 
AMAF Integrated Instrument and Flight Control System Journeyman 
ABomber/Special Integrated Communication/Navigation/Mission Systems Journeyman 
ABomber/Special Mission Electronic Warfare/Surveillance Radar Systems Journeyman 
Avionics Test Station/Component
AKAvionic Test Station and Aircraft Component Journeyman
AMAvionic Test Station and Aircraft Component Journeyman 
APElectronic Warfare Systems Journeyman
Aerospace Maintenance...
AXXAerospace Maintenance Journeyman...
AXXAerospace Maintenance Craftsman 
Communications/Navigation Systems 
Aircraft Electrical and Environmental Systems
AAircraft Electrical and Environmental Systems Journeyman 
F Fuels 
FFuels Journeyman 
FFuels Craftsman 
G Logistical Plans
GLogistics Plans Journeyman 
GLogistics Plans Craftsman 
M Missile & Space Systems Maintenance
MAMissile and Space Systems Electronic Maintenance Journeyman
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There's plenty there that would benefit CAP both directly and indirectly, not to mention member's resumes.

The idea of in-residence classes only works if you're in proximity to the school, or would care to go on your own nickel,
but considering the US is in a draw-down, if the seat is empty, why not.

Regardless, that doesn't negate the potential value of the above to those so inclined to partake.

I don't know why they have all those CDC's.  There are only two jobs in the Air Force.  Pilot and Crew Chief.  At least that is what they told me at tech school!  ;D

Quote from: winterg on July 05, 2016, 07:15:09 PM
I don't know why they have all those CDC's.  There are only two jobs in the Air Force.  Pilot and Crew Chief.  At least that is what they told me at tech school!  ;D

Well then they told you wrong at tech school. Because everyone knows it's Flyers and everyone else! >:D

Quote from: PHall on July 05, 2016, 07:19:55 PM

Quote from: winterg on July 05, 2016, 07:15:09 PM
I don't know why they have all those CDC's.  There are only two jobs in the Air Force.  Pilot and Crew Chief.  At least that is what they told me at tech school!  ;D

Well then they told you wrong at tech school. Because everyone knows it's Flyers and everyone else! >:D

Just like the Army:  Infantry and Infantry-support

Eclipse,

I am willing to bet you some of those on that list contain classified items to go with them.  And giving the struggle many face trying to even get on base to get uniforms,  amplify that trying to get to a test center.

The Air Force will fill its Tech School seats even with a draw down (which btw they realized their error the last go around).  Tech School is completely separate from CDCs and those will be filled with the folks who need to be there and can be used operationally.  Filling it with someone who is not going to use the knowledge is waist of time money and instructors.

My last tech school required a sec clearance to attend and your average CAP member will not have that nor have the need to obtain one.  This is something else that needs to be considered. 

Want to read some unclassified books fine sure.  Getting credit is different.  Plus who would sponsor the member on and stay with them while they are testing?

Quote from: abdsp51 on July 05, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
And giving the struggle many face trying to even get on base to get uniforms,  amplify that trying to get to a test center.

Amplify why?  There's no issue in my wing, nor should there be.

Every base is different, but people with legitimate need to access a resource, for whatever reason, don't normally have
much issue beyond "this is why I am here" - note, that is not the same as some random member wanting to poke around a base
because he's bored, or out of Chicklets.

Quote from: abdsp51 on July 05, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
... who would sponsor the member on and stay with them while they are testing?

The same people who sponsor, when necessary, any other base access, for starters this is one of the reasons we have CAP-USAF, LRADOs, and RAPs,
and why would anyone have to "stay with them while they are testing?"

I think last time I checked my wing had 4-5 PME testing centers, inconveniently located for all.

Quote from: abdsp51 on July 05, 2016, 06:31:32 PM

Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on July 05, 2016, 05:36:11 PM
I think the whole "What does this do for CAP?" sub-thread misses a pretty big boat.

Providing these courses to CAP members may bring minimal benefit to CAP. Or none at all, for that matter. But, providing the courses might benefit some individual members of CAP.

The courses aren't mandated. USAF has made them available to CAP. CAP has told their members. From here on, it's up to the members to slide their trays down the cafeteria line and see if they have interest in or need for the courses. See something you like? Put it on your tray and move on. Nothing strikes your fancy? Sorry.

In that regard, why can't people just see it as a.....wait for it....MEMBERSHIP BENEFIT?

CAP has a bunch of membership benefits. Slide your tray, help yourself. Or don't. Your choice. But I've never heard anyone ask "Tuition discount for Masters in Health Care Informatics? How does THAT benefit CAP? Or, "Hertz discount? I don't rent cars, how does that benefit me OR CAP?"

Slide your tray. Take the courses or don't. They aren't costing you anything. Be grateful if you can use them. Say "Oh, well" if you can't. Move on.



Ps - CAP membership benefits from the website. Slide your tray.

http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/member_benefits/ (http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/member_benefits/)

Sir,

The thread shifted from CDC's to actually attending Air Force Tech schools.  I posed the question of what does the Air Force gain from allowing this if the member can not be used operationally. 

I am all for training opportunities and branching out but the training needs to be something that can be readily and consistently applied and most importantly used. 

Want to read some CDC's sure go ahead,  but how are you going to take the exam for course credit?  How are you going to apply what you have read and tested on? 

Outside of gee whiz stuff how does CAP benefit from it if it can not be used?

Wait - are you actually calling me out for NOT sticking to a drifted thread? Uh, OK, I suppose. But you seem fixated on in-residence tech schools when the topic isn't in-residence tech schools.

Exams? Same process as exams for SOS and ACSC. How to apply the knowledge? That's in the mind if the person gaining the knowledge.

And, you've repeated the "what does CAP get out of it?" question when my point was that CAP doesn't have to get anything out of it if the member does.

I have taken a few of these, and they all were ES/EM related. Like it has been said, they have benefitted me in my career. There are plenty of testing locations....not sure what all the hubbub is about...

Quote from: abdsp51 on July 05, 2016, 03:51:04 AM

Quote from: shuman14 on July 05, 2016, 03:29:04 AM

QuoteThere's no benefit to the AF allow CAP to attend the tech schools.  Can't use them operationally and to simply get credit is a waste of resources.

So other than "situational awareness" and the potential "free college credits", there is no purpose to taking these courses at all?  :-\

Did you even read what was posted???? No as usual you didn't.

No, I'm confirming the answer by asking the question a different way.

Why are you always so negative?  :-\

Quote from: NCRblues on July 02, 2016, 04:58:51 AM
Neat?

Except what does "security forces" "CE - Fire protection" " munitions & weapons" have to bring to our table?

(Just FYI, I have done the CDC's for SF through my 7 level, and it is absolutely worthless to CAP.)

You don't think any of the ground combat stuff in the SF 3/5 level is useful to CAP ground teams?  Land nav, survival, sheltering, etc?

Quote from: Hyperion on July 02, 2016, 04:41:21 AMAlso I want to take one of those Missile Maintenance courses. Don't know why, but I do.

Trust me... you'll be underwhelmed.