CAP Talk

I have seen from past posts that there has been discussion about hunter orange MOLLE vests.  I have been a first responder for over 27 years and I strongly believe that having the right equipment to do the job is key in any situation.  I want to take this opportunity to introduce my company: On Duty Equipment Ltd.  We have been in existence since 2004 and for the past year and a half we have been developing and testing a hi vis MOLLE vest.  Our brand is called Duty Apparel. Please take some time to visit our website www.onduty.ca (http://www.onduty.ca)  You will see that this month we are featuring our MOLLE hunting vest.  The vest also comes in a hi-vis yellow/lime with reflective trim and hi vis orange with reflective trim.

Our vests feature a load bearing system, integrated pockets and a grab handle on the back that can be used to pull someone out of a dangerous situation if they become incapacitated.  Our models with reflective trim also include a self closing slot on the back that can be used to access the rope on a fall arrest system that can be worn under the vest.

We have and continue to develop several hi vis pouches for the MOLLE vest.  Currently, the hunting version is available.  The reflective trim models will be available in early March 2014.

I look forward to your feedback.

Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd   

Will they be ANSI-II?

I just want to clarify...are you referring to our vests with the reflective striping?

Well, yes, or anything else that you would purport to be appropriate for CAP use.

Unless it's ANSI-II, there's not much point to it, since an ANSI-II vest is required to be worn as the top garment.

Put together an ANSI-II molle vest at a reasonable price and you'll have no issue selling them.

Thanks for the information.  I am attaching a few pictures of our reflective MOLLE vests.  These are currently in production and will be available in March 2014.  These will be $84.95 a vest.  The pouches (sold separately) will be available in both orange and yellow to match the vest. 

Everything will be available on our current website www.onduty.ca (http://www.onduty.ca) and our new website www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com) (which should go live in a couple of weeks)

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^ Not sure why the image broke, but definitely liking this!

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Quote from: Eclipse on January 18, 2014, 08:41:56 PM
^ Not sure why the image broke, but definitely liking this!

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Quote from: Eclipse on January 18, 2014, 08:41:56 PM
^ Not sure why the image broke, but definitely liking this!

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Looks like I'm getting a little poorer in March...

Actually, one glaring issue I notice is no good place to put a hydration bladder. Do you guys think you can figure out a way to mount a hydration bladder where the "X" reflective strips are and put reflective strips on the pouch to compensate?

My old molle vest had a bladder pocket on the inside.

Thanks for the feedback....I like the idea of incorporating a spot for a hydration bladder.  I will meet with our design team and discuss this further and explore what options we may have to do this.  In the meantime if you have more feedback or suggestions please let me know. 

Thank you everyone and I look forward to more feedback!. 

Will the vest be at least ansi-II compliant?  You didn't answer that question.
Also any pictures with various pouches attached?

Since he's Canadian, he may not be aware of ANSI standards.

We are familiar with the ANSI II regulations. The Canadian CSA standards are almost identical to the US  ANSI II standards for hi vis safety workwear. Our vest is compliant with Canadian CSA Z96 standards. We are currently reviewing the ANSI II standards to make sure thst we are compliant as well.   When it comes to hi-vis safety wear it's pretty much the same between US and Canada. 

Okay but if we are going to use it in CAP it needs to be marked as ANSI II compliant.  Otherwise it doesn't matter.  But thanks for getting back to us on that.

Quote from: brent.teal on January 22, 2014, 03:42:36 PM
Okay but if we are going to use it in CAP it needs to be marked as ANSI II compliant.  Otherwise it doesn't matter.  But thanks for getting back to us on that.

That or have some 'ANSI II Compliant' tags made up to sew into the vest when you get it.

I apologize for the delay in getting back to everyone.  We have verified the requirements under ANSI/ISEA 107-2010 Class 2 Garments.  I want to confirm that our Duty Apparel hi-vis yellow/lime MOLLE vest exceeds the minimum requirements.  The vests will have the prescribed ANSI/ISEA 107-2010 label indicating that it is compliant with the regulations.

We are also currently working on the hydration bladder design and should have information on that shortly.  As mentioned in my earlier posts, the vests and various pouches should be in stock in March of 2014 and available through our websites at www.onduty.ca (http://www.onduty.ca) or www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com)

If you have any further questions, comments or suggestions for pouches please let me know.

Thank you

Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd

I do have to admit that I do like this vest.  Looking forward to see appropriate accessories on the site as well.

Not advertising for them but I just checked the website http://www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com) and it is up and the hi viz vest is now showing there.

Quote from: Jaison009 on February 07, 2014, 03:38:38 PM
Not advertising for them but I just checked the website http://www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com) and it is up and the hi viz vest is now showing there.

Wow, I love this shirt!  I may grab one for mototcycle teaching.

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Seriously, there's our field uniform - we'd look so much more professional in that shirt and these pants
and they'd be so much more functional.

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I prefer long sleeves most of the time but other than that I agree.

Eclipse I am beyond shocked that no one has replied to your suggestion. When you posted it I thought I heard the sound that a steak makes when it hits the grill and was just going to sit back and watch before I weighed in. Guess I was wrong on the response from CT to your suggestion.

Quote from: Eclipse on February 07, 2014, 03:43:09 PM

Quote from: Jaison009 on February 07, 2014, 03:38:38 PM
Not advertising for them but I just checked the website http://www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com) and it is up and the hi viz vest is now showing there.

Wow, I love this shirt!  I may grab one for mototcycle teaching.

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Seriously, there's our field uniform - we'd look so much more professional in that shirt and these pants
and they'd be so much more functional.

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I think a lot of us have "uniform conversation fatique", and most would agree that anything functional and uniform especially in the field, would be better then the mess we have now.

Well, I'll chime in. I think most of us agree that wearing BDUs for ES, especially GSAR and UDF, it's not very practical. And it looks odd when several members are wearing different sets of uniforms (BDU, BBDU, etc.) during a mission, especially when operating with other agencies. If we can't agree on the best uniform for CAP in general (i.e. AF-style vs. corporate, etc.), we should at least come up with a field uniform that meets the requirements of the types of missions CAP is tasked to do. Cost and availability, as always, must be considered. But a more practical uniform for field conditions would be a welcome addition to our existing uniform combinations.

I sell these packs and many different orange molle pouches at my gun store. I offered local squadrons to purchase them, or any other CAP related items at cost.... Not one taker yet. The hunters, local fire department, and SAR teams love them though.

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Wow, those are really nice.

Quote from: GroundHawg on February 16, 2014, 03:00:23 AM
I sell these packs and many different orange molle pouches at my gun store. I offered local squadrons to purchase them, or any other CAP related items at cost.... Not one taker yet. The hunters, local fire department, and SAR teams love them though.

Those are quite nice!! I am the founder a non-profit org that performs disaster relief worldwide and would like to see more of what you have that we could use. High viz stuff is always great in disaster areas.

Quote from: Samex on January 26, 2014, 04:52:53 PM
I apologize for the delay in getting back to everyone.  We have verified the requirements under ANSI/ISEA 107-2010 Class 2 Garments.  I want to confirm that our Duty Apparel hi-vis yellow/lime MOLLE vest exceeds the minimum requirements.  The vests will have the prescribed ANSI/ISEA 107-2010 label indicating that it is compliant with the regulations.

We are also currently working on the hydration bladder design and should have information on that shortly.  As mentioned in my earlier posts, the vests and various pouches should be in stock in March of 2014 and available through our websites at www.onduty.ca (http://www.onduty.ca) or www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com)

If you have any further questions, comments or suggestions for pouches please let me know.

Thank you

Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd

Roger, will you be offering CAP discounts to members and units purchasing from you? This would certainly help the units and members purchase items for CAP specific missions and allow you to know that your helping to save lives.

It's about time someone came up with this vest. I hope it with the pouches don't get crazy expensive.

Hello everyone.  My apologies for taking so long to post updates.  We just returned from the Toronto Sportsman Show.  Our hunting MOLLE vest and pouches were a huge success.  We had our hi-vis yellow vest on display as well which generated allot of interest from police, construction companies and SAR units.  As I mentioned in previous posts, the hi-vis yellow vest is $84.95.  The pouches vary in price from $8.95 to $25.95.  The pants and hi-vis golf shirt that you have added to the post are our brand as well - Duty Apparel.  We sell allot of these to emergency services, airline ground crews, security companies.  They are very comfortable to wear, durable and very practical. 

As far as offering a discount, yes, we would be able to offer a discount to CAP members.  I have been involved with emergency services for 27 years and I know what it's like to have the right equipment to do the job.  This is how my company was started.  I got tired of wearing uniforms and using products that were not suitable for the work we do.

If anyone has specific questions or want to discuss bulk orders please email me direct at info@onduty.ca   

I also want to update everyone on the hydration bladder option.  We have secured a bladder supplier and currently tweeking the pouch that will attach to the back of the vest.  The pouch will have the reflective X on it so it blends in over the existing X to ensure safety compliance.  We should have our pre production samples in about 3 weeks.  If all is good then we will be going into production right away.  It usually takes 8 weeks from production sample approval to delivery in our warehouse.

If anyone has any further questions please don't hesitate!

Regards,

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

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Quote from: pascocap2002 on February 16, 2014, 06:36:13 AM

Quote from: GroundHawg on February 16, 2014, 03:00:23 AM
I sell these packs and many different orange molle pouches at my gun store. I offered local squadrons to purchase them, or any other CAP related items at cost.... Not one taker yet. The hunters, local fire department, and SAR teams love them though.

Those are quite nice!! I am the founder a non-profit org that performs disaster relief worldwide and would like to see more of what you have that we could use. High viz stuff is always great in disaster areas.

Quote from: Samex on January 26, 2014, 04:52:53 PM
I apologize for the delay in getting back to everyone.  We have verified the requirements under ANSI/ISEA 107-2010 Class 2 Garments.  I want to confirm that our Duty Apparel hi-vis yellow/lime MOLLE vest exceeds the minimum requirements.  The vests will have the prescribed ANSI/ISEA 107-2010 label indicating that it is compliant with the regulations.

We are also currently working on the hydration bladder design and should have information on that shortly.  As mentioned in my earlier posts, the vests and various pouches should be in stock in March of 2014 and available through our websites at www.onduty.ca (http://www.onduty.ca) or www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com)

If you have any further questions, comments or suggestions for pouches please let me know.

Thank you

Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd

Roger, will you be offering CAP discounts to members and units purchasing from you? This would certainly help the units and members purchase items for CAP specific missions and allow you to know that your helping to save lives.

SAMEX,


Thanks for the update to include the cost of the pouches.  Is there anyway you can provide a picture of the front of the vest, images of the pouch selection (even if the wrong color)...more information would be helpful in determining prices. 

I'm not a vest person, but that thing is nice!

The second pack is available in 3 sizes, (25,45,75 liters) and there is more to come. I have some of the accessory pouches now, and they are awesome.

Maybe you guys could come up with some hi-viz webgear/suspenders and web belt. I love my load bearing vest I wore as a cadet when ground pounding (too fat and it looks weird with blue bdus now). Would love to have one that was ANSI compliant and could be worn instead of a ruck, backpack or MOLLE vest. I'm sure there are a few others including PD that wear suspenders and belts that might be interested.

Quote from: GroundHawg on March 10, 2014, 05:28:17 PM
The second pack is available in 3 sizes, (25,45,75 liters) and there is more to come. I have some of the accessory pouches now, and they are awesome.

Do you have an online presence for your store?

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Quote from: GroundHawg on March 10, 2014, 05:28:17 PM
The second pack is available in 3 sizes, (25,45,75 liters) and there is more to come. I have some of the accessory pouches now, and they are awesome.

Do you have an online presence for your store?

Only for my firearms sales right now. I am looking into adding my other gear soon. It is finally (2 years now) taking off the way I had planned.

I like this vest, I miss my PLCE vest, which this design reminds me a lot of. I'm looking forward to this becoming available!

Good afternoon everyone,

A quick update on the hi-vis MOLLE vest.  We have been redesigning the hydration bladder feature and it's taking a bit longer than was hoped.  We now have a design that we are pleased with.  We are currently conducting some testing to make sure all fits and works properly.  We anticipate to have the hi-vis yellow and hi-vis orange with hydration bladder option in stock mid May.   Once we complete the testing, I will post a picture for all to see.

Thank you for your continued feedback!

Regards

Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

for refernce here si what we are supposed to carry.

http://capnhq.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/985/~/contents-of-the-24-hour-and-72-hour-packs (http://capnhq.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/985/~/contents-of-the-24-hour-and-72-hour-packs)

What's the status on the hi-vis orange MOLLE vest? The dutyapparel.com website still says it's coming soon. Is there a date?

Hello everyone,

We are anticipating stock on both our hi vis yellow and hi vis orange vest by the end of May.  We added the hydration feature to the vest which delayed production a bit.  Everything is looking good.  We are also working on an additional 6 pouches for our MOLLE vests.  These should also be in stock by the end of May.

We have lots of stock on our regular blaze orange (non reflective) vest if anyone is interested in those.

I will post an update as soon as we get a confirmation delivery date to our warehouse.  Thank you all for your interest in our products.  I assure you the wait will be well worth it!

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Can you post pictures with the new hydration system? Thanks.

They said mid May. 

^ disregard .... I thought I was replying to Storm chaser's question.

Available now for $49 shipped
"Key features include: One large main compartment, One outside pocket with inside mesh accessory pockets, Hydration pocket with Velcro® closure and carrying handle; complete with 2.5 liter bladder, modular attachment points on front face, Expandable design and stay-coolmesh backing, Fully adjustable shoulder straps, Heavy duty zippers and hardware, Fully expandable.
Size: 17" x 8" x 5"

Hello everyone,

I will be posting a picture of the vest with hydration system in a couple of days. 

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment - Duty Apparel

Roger,

Anything you can do about the shipping?  I was going to order the first aid pouch and organizer and $30.00 to the U.S. seems steep. 

lots of good pictures here for the various orignal orange vest and pouches.  I had no idea shipping prices were as high as they were looking at ups.  oH well just wait for the vest then. 

https://www.facebook.com/pages/On-Duty-Equipment-Ltd/323196734492302 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/On-Duty-Equipment-Ltd/323196734492302)

Hello everyone

We have added new pictures of the vest on our website www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com)  The vest is now complete with the hydration bladder compartment and will be in stock by June 15th 2014.  We are offering a 10% discount to CAP members for our products.  If you pre-order your vest and place your order between now and June 15th we will offer an additional 5% discount for a total of 15% off.  Please enter discount code U5ZPJGL6BTOP during checkout.   There are two options for the vest ANSI and CSA. 

I want to thank everyone for their feedback. It has been very helpful!  We have other pouches in development that will be added to our website later.

Regards,

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Are there any pictures of the new hydration system? Couldn't see any on the website.

Also, what's the shipping cost to the United States?

We will add pictures that show how the vest is set up to accept the hydration bladder hopefully by tomorrow. 

Shipping is based on weight.  The system figures it out automatically upon checkout.  Based on other orders that we have shipped to the US which included a vest and 3 or 4 pouches the shipping charge was around $30.

Hope this helps.

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Thanks for the quick response. I have another question regarding the additional 5% discount. Will that also be applied to any pouches/accessories ordered with the vest by June 15th?

Ordered one along with several pouches.  Thank you very much, and I look forward to receiving this.  I haven't been able to find any other sources that offer orange MOLLE pouches.  I hope you'll be expanding your line!

Hello everyone, right now we are offering CAP members 15% off ALL products purchased off our website www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com)  This includes the vests, pouches, pants, softshell...EVERYTHING!!

Enter the discount code U5ZPJGL6BTOP and the system automatically applies the discount at checkout.

Thank you for all the great feedback.  We have quite a few more pouches/cases in pre-production stage.  As soon as they are ready we will add them to our website and I will post an update.  To all members that have placed a pre-order thank you. 

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Hello,

We added a few pictures that show the inside of the vest where the hydration bladder goes in as well as a new hi-vis orange holster. 

www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com)

Roger Rondeau

I like the idea of this vest...I plan to look into it closer!

Hello everyone....Take advantage of the CAP 15% discount and pre-order your vest and pouches.  Only a few days left to take advantage of this great discount! 

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment - Duty Apparel

With the exchange rate and the 15%, that's only $66.57 US. Time to sweet talk the wife  >:D

Question:
I was looking through the 24 hour pack requirements, and one of the required items is "Vest, reflective, orange". Does this mean that if I bought one of these (or any other) that it has to be the orange version instead of the yellow, or that regardless of the color of the SAR vest, you still have to have the $5 orange vest in a pocket somewhere?

It would certainly seem to me that this thing would suffice for that orange vest requirement in the 24-hour kit. 

That being said, you may very well want to carry one of those cheap orange vests around as well.  You're getting that vest to be covered in pouches and filled with all your 24-hour gear.  There may be times when you don't necessarily want or need to be wearing 10-20 lbs of equipment on your body yet need an orange reflective vest.

IIRC, there's a spec for the vest in 60-something that requires it to be ANSI II compliant. There might not be enough area in the vest to comply. There might be more discussion of this farther up in the thread.

I'm guessing you haven't ordered one. When you select your color on the product screen, you can select either orange or yellow and ANSI Or Canadian equivalent. They seem to have it covered.

http://www.dutyapparel.com/collections/safety/products/hi-vis-molle-vest (http://www.dutyapparel.com/collections/safety/products/hi-vis-molle-vest)

Check it out!

Quote from: SarDragon on June 12, 2014, 09:36:26 PM
IIRC, there's a spec for the vest in 60-something that requires it to be ANSI II compliant. There might not be enough area in the vest to comply. There might be more discussion of this farther up in the thread.

Yes, according to Samex, this vest meets ANSI class 2 requirements.

Quote from: BHartman007 on June 12, 2014, 05:56:13 PM
Question:
I was looking through the 24 hour pack requirements, and one of the required items is "Vest, reflective, orange". Does this mean that if I bought one of these (or any other) that it has to be the orange version instead of the yellow, or that regardless of the color of the SAR vest, you still have to have the $5 orange vest in a pocket somewhere?

The task guides, which are not regulatory, require that you have an orange vest. 60-2 requires that you have an ANSI class 2 compliant outergarment (orange or yellow). This vest in yellow absolutely meets our regulatory requirements, but the vest that is "required" by the task guides does not. I intend on buying this vest in yellow, that seems to match most public safety types better than orange, and I'll carry my old cheap-o orange vest just in case.

Quote from: jeders on June 13, 2014, 01:17:34 PM
The task guides, which are not regulatory, require that you have an orange vest. 60-2 requires that you have an ANSI class 2 compliant outergarment (orange or yellow).

Actually, that's CAPR 62-1.

Quote from: jeders on June 13, 2014, 01:17:34 PM
This vest in yellow absolutely meets our regulatory requirements, but the vest that is "required" by the task guides does not. I intend on buying this vest in yellow, that seems to match most public safety types better than orange, and I'll carry my old cheap-o orange vest just in case.

The ANSI II yellow vest meets the safety requirements in CAPR 62-1, but not the uniform requirements in CAPM 39-1, which require the vest to be orange. The new CAPM 39-1 Draft also stated that the vest must be orange, although that's not final yet. I actually submitted a comment letting them know of the discrepancy between CAPR 62-1 and CAPM 39-1. Hopefully, they'll address that.

Quote from: Storm Chaser on June 13, 2014, 04:46:16 PM

Quote from: jeders on June 13, 2014, 01:17:34 PM
The task guides, which are not regulatory, require that you have an orange vest. 60-2 requires that you have an ANSI class 2 compliant outergarment (orange or yellow).

Actually, that's CAPR 62-1.

That's it.

Quote from: Storm Chaser on June 13, 2014, 04:46:16 PM

Quote from: jeders on June 13, 2014, 01:17:34 PM
The task guides, which are not regulatory, require that you have an orange vest. 60-2 requires that you have an ANSI class 2 compliant outergarment (orange or yellow).

Actually, that's CAPR 62-1.

Quote from: jeders on June 13, 2014, 01:17:34 PM
This vest in yellow absolutely meets our regulatory requirements, but the vest that is "required" by the task guides does not. I intend on buying this vest in yellow, that seems to match most public safety types better than orange, and I'll carry my old cheap-o orange vest just in case.

The ANSI II yellow vest meets the safety requirements in CAPR 62-1, but not the uniform requirements in CAPM 39-1, which require the vest to be orange. The new CAPM 39-1 Draft also stated that the vest must be orange, although that's not final yet. I actually submitted a comment letting them know of the discrepancy between CAPR 62-1 and CAPM 39-1. Hopefully, they'll address that.

I'm thinking that the Orange is probably an oversight.  Vanguard has CAP specific vests that are the Yellow color.  I'm betting they are okay.

The Big V, sell something that's not within spec? Never!  :angel:

So.....has there been a delay in stocking the item?  It's still showing as a pre-order item on the website, and I'm getting antsy. :)

How fast is your shipping to the US?

Hello Everyone,

My apologies for the delay in getting back to you.  The vests are in stock and we have been very busy filling the pre-orders!!!  Go ahead and place your orders now as they are going fast.  We will be updating the website shortly but they are in stock!!!!

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

We ship expedited service to the US via Canada Post/US Post.  It usually takes 5 to 7 business days.  We usually ship within 24 hours of receiving the order.  We have extended the 15% discount until the 8th of July.  After that date it will be the standard 10% discount for CAP members.

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Hello everyone,

As indicated in earlier posts, we are now offering our 10% standard discount to CAP members on all our products.  Please visit our website www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com) and enter discount code 8H3C508Q7JBG during checkout to receive the discount.  Thank you to all of you who placed your orders early and took advantage of the 15% discount that we offered for a limited time.

We are working on new pouches and I will update everyone as soon as they arrive!

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

So I received mine earlier this week.  I ordered the vest, two of the medium utility pouches, one first aid pouch, one travel organizer pouch, and one GPS pouch.  I haven't field tested it yet, but these are my initial impressions.

The vest is made from very sturdy material, and it being ANSI II rated is stamped right on the tag.  There is plenty of MOLLE real estate on the vest itself.  It's pretty equivalent to what you would find on a tactical assault vest.  The material is thick and sturdy, and it feels like you're putting on a sleeveless jacket.  Even with some of the vest made from mesh material, it's lines with heavy material that will retain heat.

There is a hydration pocket sewn to the inside of the vest.  The pocket is 8 inches by 14 inches, and seems like it'll hold a 2L bladder. It doesn't fit my 3L all that well.  Because the pocket is sewn to the inside of the vest, it bulges inwards with a bladder inserted.  This could be uncomfortable for some people, and your back will heat up the water in the bladder.

Each side of the vest has three adjustment straps.  These are important as I discovered that if they aren't secured snugly, the back of the vest will pull down from the weight of a water-filled hydration bladder and any filled pouches attached to the back of the vest.  If the straps are snug, it's not a problem.

There are two pockets sewn into the inside of the vest suitable for small objects or paperwork.  However, there are not any flaps covering the pockets that would protect the contents from dripping sweat or rainwater.

Also sewn to the inside of the vest are four 'garters' that can be adjusted and secured to a rigger's belt.  Not too shabby and handy to keep a fully loaded vest from shifting around.

GPS Pouch:  this pouch is specifically designed for a handheld GPS.  It attaches to the vest with a single strap, and is the only pouch out of the ones I bought that you can't do a proper MOLLE weave.  The pocket for the GPS is wide with a clear flexible plastic face and elastic sides.  The GPS is retained in the pocket by an elastic strap over the top.  I own a Garmin 62stc and it fits very loose in the pocket with no real way to snug it up.  So, I will retain a lanyard on the GPS as I don't feel 100% sure the pouch can be trusted.  One feature of the pouch is to release the Velcro tabs holding the GPS pocket upright, and it folds forward into 'desk mode'.  It's not a bad pouch if you have a GPS that will fit it well, but between the inability to weave the MOLLE strap, and the GPS is loose in the pocket, I'll probably switch to another pouch at some point.

Medium Utility Pouches: These pouches are huge and hold plenty of stuff on the 24-hour gear list.  It's just an open space pouch that zips closed.  On the inside is a Velcro panel and a Velcro strap that can be used for whatever.  Nothing particularly fancy about the pouch, but you can weave the straps into your MOLLE webbing.

First Aid Pouch: Nothing particularly fancy about this pouch either except for the Red Cross embroidered into the front of the pouch.  Otherwise, it's just a slightly smaller version of the utility pouch in every way.

Travel Organizer Pouch: this pouch has two large zippered compartments suitable for your maps and map tools.  It also has a vertical zipper pocket on the front of the pouch that is large enough to accommodate your compass and a few tools like your pocketknife/multi-tool.  There is a single pen pocket on the front of the pouch as well as a flap-covered flashlight pocket.  I miss having a Velcro flap covering the front pockets that you would see on a tactical map pouch, but otherwise, this is probably my favorite pouch of the three types.

The vest has enough MOLLE real estate to accommodate a GPS pouch, Medium Utility Pouch, Travel Organizer, and First Aid Pouch on the front, and has enough webbing on the back of the vest to accommodate two additional Medium. Utility Pouches.  All the pouches come in flourescent Orange or Flourescent Yellow.  My preference would be to wear the orange pouches, but may at some point go back to my tried and true pouches that are in OD Green or Coyote Tan.  At the time of this post, there isn't a large selection of orange MOLLE pouches from ANYWHERE. 

I was able to fit most of my 24-hour gear into the pouches I bought.  In hindsight, I probably should have bought a third Medium Utility Pouch.  But the vest and pouches show promise for field use.

I'll post pictures when I have a chance to take them.

Panzer, did you get the vest in orange or yellow?

Orange.

As promised, photos.

The Vest

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Front view of the vest fully loaded

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Rear view

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ANSI II rating.

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Internal Hydration pocket with 3L bladder inserted.  The pocket is definitely more suited for a 2L or less bladder.

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Bladder retaining strap and Velcro pocket closures.

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Internal flat pocket.  One on left and right front sides of the vest.

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Four rigger belt garters are sewn into the inside of the vest.  Completely adjustable.

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Three straps on either side provide plenty of adjustment room for bigger wearers.  Each side can be expanded six to seven inches.  The vest itself comes in sizes from S to 3XL.

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close-up elastic hydration hose opening and drag handle.

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D-ring and webbing loop for securing hydration hose, radio mike, etc.

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Newly discovered pockets.  Huge internal zip-up pockets on the left and right sides of the vest.  The volume of the pocket equals the entire area of the webbed front panels.  The front of the panel is mesh, so storage of items that need to be kept dry would not be suitable in these pockets unless they are placed in waterproof bags. My personal use for one of these pockets is keeping my carefully folded poncho in it.  The pocket bulges outward, keeping the wear of the vest comfortable.

GPS Pouch

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Front view of pouch attached to vest.

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internal pocket for GPS with clear window. A Garmin 62stc fits somewhat loosely in the pocket with no way to snug the pocket up around the GPS.  The pouch is in 'desk mode.

Travel Organizer (Map Pouch)

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Front view.

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Compass pocket.

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Plenty of room to accommodate a full-size folded map.

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One of two zippered pockets. Note additional internal zippered pocket.

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Flapped flashlight pocket on the front of the pouch.

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Ladder webbing on rear of pouch for weaving the MOLLE straps. This pouch has two MOLLE straps. All the pouches except the GPS pouch have this configuration.

First Aid Pouch

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Front of pouch.

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Internal view of pouch with Velcro panel.  Note that the pouch is open on the inside with no elastic loops or pockets found in typical medical pouches to organize medical tools and supplies.  This
pouch is best used to store a first aid kit such shown in this and previous image.

Medium Utility Pouch

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This is the only utility pouch that this company makes at the moment.  Dollar bill is used for scale.  Note an external zippered pocket.

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Internal view.  Plenty of space to pack your usual items in.

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Fully loaded weight of the vest, pouches, and all items on the standard 24-hour gear (including additional GTL items) comes to 16 lbs.  Individual results, of course, will vary on your items carried.

Definitely a nice rig - this type is what CAP should be making the "official" vest for ground ops.

Tactikewl enough, doesn't have to be covered, not a plate carrier, not Airsoft, won't get lost in the woods and
won't be confused with a cosplayer.

I like it, but I'm not crazy about the yellow border around the reflective tape. The picture on their website clearly shows a black border that, in my opinion, looks much better.

Isn't the Yellow border required for ANSI on an orange vest?

That's how I've always seen them, and the how the ANSI tape I bought for my vest is.

I don't believe so. My current ANSI II vest doesn't have it. I have the published standard somewhere; I'll look it up and try to post it later.

I will definitely be picking one up in due time, looks like an awesome rig. I might get mine in yellow though.

You may want to really consider orange since that's the color we're supposed to wear. 

Quote from: Panzerbjorn on July 11, 2014, 06:06:48 PM
You may want to really consider orange since that's the color we're supposed to wear.

A few weeks ago, I would've agreed with you. However, the new CAPM 39-1 now states that safety vests are worn IAW CAPR 62-1, which authorizes yellow. The Task Guide still says orange, but it's been overturned by the new regs. That said, I prefer orange, if for nothing else, for standardization and because it's the color used by hunters in the woods.

While this is not an official ANSI document (attached), it's a handy guide to help determine ANSI 2 compliance.

Panzerbjorn, could you post front and back pictures of the vest with all the 24-hour pack gear being worn? Thanks.

Here ya go.  Im a little camera shy and didn't feel like getting into BBDUs to give the full effect, but i think this gives you an idea.

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Front

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Back

Full contents with room for additional equipment/gear as mission dictates.

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That's perfect. Thanks!

I can see what you were saying about the hydration system in the back. Is the vest comfortable with everything loaded? Do you have to take it off when jumping in the vehicle?

Thanks, again for the pictures and detailed review.

I haven't field tested it yet, but I can give some initial impressions...

I'm definitely going to get a 2L hydration bladder that will fit the pocket better, and that may make a world of difference in comfort.  With the 3L one in there, all loaded and zipped up, it actually kind of feels like you have some back and lumbar support, waterbed style.  If you're the water bottle/canteen carrying type, it's not an issue at all.  It's as comfortable as wearing a jacket.

The top adjustment buckle on each side doesn't do a perfect job of not letting the strap slide through.  But that problem is easily fixed by either tying a knot in the strap after you have it adjusted correctly so it doesn't thread back through the buckle, or replace the strap side buckle with one that grips the strap better.

Personally, I would be taking this thing off and throwing it in the back if the vehicle if I go anywhere, especially if I'm the driver.  But I would think that you could custom arrange the pouches to be comfortable driving in it.  If you are doing UDF duties, you're not really needing a full 24-hour pack.  The pouches are easy enough to remove, and you're left with just the vest, and it's perfectly comfortable to ride around in a vehicle.  It puts on and takes off just as easily as putting on a jacket, and I've never needed to do SWAT team exits on a GT mission.

It comes down to hydration bladder selection and proper fit.  The one I have isn't a proper fit, but even that one isn't exactly uncomfortable when I'm wearing the rig fully loaded and walking around.  But the water will definitely warm up quick on a hot day from my body heat unless I can find an insulated bladder somewhere.  On the flip side of that, you won't have to worry about frozen water in the bladder using the rig in winter months.

I wouldn't recommend throwing away your Vanguard special orange vests once you get one of these rigs.  The rig is ideal to be carrying your 24-hour gear in it, but you'll run into plenty of times when you need an orange vest, but don't need to be loading yourself down with everything else.  This thing just gives you options, and I like it a whole lot better than carrying a pack.

Hope that helps!

Try wrapping 1 (one) layer of Aluminium Foil around your water bladder.
You would be amazed how much heat transfer just one layer of foil will stop.

Never heard of that before.  I'll give it a try.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Hello everyone

First off I want to thank Panzerbjorn for the great breakdown product review. As mentioned this vest is very sturdy and won't let you down when it matters most. I want to address a couple of points from comments made. The hydration bladder compartment is designed to fit a 2L bladder.  We looked at accommodating the larger 3L but we found that it was too bulky and didn't fit and look right. The 2L fits very nice and rests nicely on the back.

The orange vest that we produce has a yellow trim instead of a black trim like the yellow vest. This was a last minute decision going into production. The yellow gives that much more visibility. We have taken the orange vest with black trim picture off the website. We will be posting new pictures of the orange vest shortly. The vests are designed to fit a number of purposes. It is also used and becoming popular in the construction industry. The elastic self closing slit on the back works great for the hose from a hydration bladder but it's primary design is to accommodate the rope from a fall arrest harness. The "garter" straps as referred to can also be used for those in the construction industry to hold their tool belts.  The quick attachment system makes it ideal for the worker to attach the tool belt to the vest which in turn becomes a load bearing system. So as you can see there was allot of thought and development that went into the vest. 

The first aid pouch is designed to hold a first aid kit. We are working on an actual tear away medical pouch. We are also developing other pouches which will be added to the website as they become available. The response to the vest has been amazing with several dealers contacting us to carry the Duty Apparel brand.

Again thank you for the feedback!

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd -Duty Apparel

Has anyone else here in CAP Talk purchased this MOLLE vest? Anymore feedback from other members?

Hello,

We have had quite a few vests purchased by CAP Talk members as the discount code has been used allot.  We continue to ship vests on a regular basis.  The New Zealand Air Force Expeditionary Squadron has made a purchase as well as various SAR teams.  It's a great vest, I know those who buy our products will not be disappointed!!

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Panzerbjorn, have you had a chance to field test your orange MOLLE vest yet?

Not yet, I've been up in the sky the last few weeks, but I'll have a chance to take it out in the field soon, and I'll update my 'review'.

I had hoped to purchase one of these vests for a coming SARex but I can't make the discount code work.  Is the 10% off for CAP members still available?

As far as I know, the 10% discount is still valid.

I'm interested in buying one of these as well, but the shipping cost (from Canada) is a bit too much. Unfortunately, I was unable to take advantage of the 15% discount they offered for a limited time.

Hello everyone,

The 10% discount is still in effect for CAP members.  I am reposting the code number for everyone to use.  8H3C508Q7JBG

Please enter this discount code during check out.  I see from some of the posts that some believe the shipping cost is high.  The cost to ship to the US is a flat $25.00 CAD which is very reasonable.

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Just placed an order. Will report once it comes in.

Quote from: Samex on August 27, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
I see from some of the posts that some believe the shipping cost is high.  The cost to ship to the US is a flat $25.00 CAD which is very reasonable.

Does this flat rate applies to accessories we may want to buy at a later time? Because that would certainly add to the expense.

Quote from: Storm Chaser on August 27, 2014, 05:06:36 PM

Quote from: Samex on August 27, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
I see from some of the posts that some believe the shipping cost is high.  The cost to ship to the US is a flat $25.00 CAD which is very reasonable.

Does this flat rate applies to accessories we may want to buy at a later time? Because that would certainly add to the expense.

Guys, do you know what shipping costs these days? Granted I may know more than most, being that I ship over 1000 packages monthly, but really, take a look at this pic:


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That small box on top? I'll just give you >MY< commercial base and commercial plus rates:  US: $5.20, Canada: $19.50, Worldwide: $23.50
The small envelope? Same prices internationally, $4.95 domestic.
The next two, the "medium" flat rate boxes, one more square, the other rectangular: US: $10.65, Canada: $40.15, Worldwide: $58.65!
The large box on bottom? We don't even use them, $52.95
Feel free to do your own research: http://postcalc.usps.com/ (http://postcalc.usps.com/)

Shipping 4 lbs TO Canada? $36.30 at the USPS counter.

CAD to USD exchange rate? 0.92USD to 1 CAD, so you're paying $23 USD to get a package, most likely over 4 lbs, and one that will CERTAINLY not fit into the medium flat rate box, LET ALONE the small flat rate box.

Oh, and being the US of A, I've yet to pay ANY sort of VAT, Import Tax, Import Fee, etc.
So to sum it up, yea $25 is a hefty price. But would you rather the vest cost $25 more? Would you rather the pouches each cost that much more?

eBay loves to push "free shipping" listings. Except of course no one ships for free.

Would you rather buy my trinkets for $35 + $5 shipping, or for $40 with free shipping? What if you ordered 2 of them? 5? 10? 20? Because I can ship you 2 in one box, and 10/20 in a larger box for $10.
Thanks for offering a shipping rate, and especially a FLAT one.

Quote from: usafaux2004 on August 27, 2014, 06:53:13 PM

Quote from: Storm Chaser on August 27, 2014, 05:06:36 PM

Quote from: Samex on August 27, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
I see from some of the posts that some believe the shipping cost is high.  The cost to ship to the US is a flat $25.00 CAD which is very reasonable.

Does this flat rate applies to accessories we may want to buy at a later time? Because that would certainly add to the expense.

Guys, do you know what shipping costs these days?....

Thanks for offering a shipping rate, and especially a FLAT one.

I never said it was an unfair or unreasonable rate; only that it adds to the expense. Remember, not every CAP member has the kind of disposable income that someone who ships "over 1000 packages monthly" probably has. ;)

Of course it adds expense. Shipping isn't free. I'm just comparing what the costs are for someone in Canada to order something from the US. It's all relative, but if you need/want something, you gotta pay the price. Can we get someone to become a distributor in the US? Perhaps. Could probably get these wholesale, over the border, and shipped domestically for around the same price. But that's the big "BUT". Who's gonna do it?

They still need to be transported across the border. There is also a more complicated Customs process, and possible import duties. Who is going to pay for all that?

Quote from: SarDragon on August 28, 2014, 04:38:17 AM
They still need to be transported across the border. There is also a more complicated Customs process, and possible import duties. Who is going to pay for all that?

The aforementioned distributor state-side.

Are we really arguing back and forth over shipping costs?

1. When my package came from them, the amount of postage was right there on it and it what was what I was charged.  You're not being gouged.

2. This company is already giving you a discount for being CAP, and you're asking them to give you a further discount in shipping where they have very little control over the costs as it is?

3. You're already trying to buy a niche product that is marketed to a niche audience.  It's not like they're selling 10,000 of these a month.  Of course the cost is going to be higher.

4. You're saying that not everyone has deep pockets to pay for the expensive shipping.  Perhaps if you don't have the money to pay for the shipping, you should really reconsider buying this product in the first place.

5. It's not coming from a US distributor.  It's being shipped from the company in Canada.

The shipping costs are what they are.  Cope!  ::)

+1

+1

I had the opportunity to show off my fully loaded rig to a group of SARTECH 1s, 2s, and Instructors this past weekend.  They were all for the most part impressed with the vest itself. 

The only comments that were made was they thought it looked a bit heavy, which it is because of the layers of pockets and things built into the vest itself.  But they all agreed that it seemed very sturdy, and they liked all the integral pockets sewn into the vest.

The cost also inspired disappointed looks after I told them that I had sunk around $200 into the full rig.  But the looks of interest came back after I told them that the bulk of that money had gone into getting orange pouches, and that the cost of the vest itself is on par with a low-cost MOLLE tactical vest that you would get from a company like Condor.  Then you just put on pouches you already have, or some of the lower cost pouches you can get at a surplus store.  They did like just how much MOLLE webbing was on the vest.

Overall, there was general approval from SARTECH types who have tremendously more time in the bush than I do.

I can't believe all of you are making such a big deal about my question. Why do we need to turn everything into an argument?

Let's back up a second and review what I said.

QuoteI'm interested in buying one if these as well, but the shipping cost (from Canada) is a bit too much.

I wasn't complaining about their prices, but merely pointing that at this time I can't make the expense. This was a personal opinion based on personal situation. Nothing more and nothing less.

I then asked the following question:

QuoteDoes this [$25] flat rate applies to accessories we may want to buy at a later time? Because that would certainly add to the expense.

This was a valid question. If I purchase this vest, I need to make sure I get all the accessories I need if I don't want to pay another $25 later on. What's so wrong about that?

Yet, my simple and valid question ended up in a "lecture" about shipping costs. And now I'm being chastised for even bringing cost up.

Oh well, I guess this is business as usual in CAP Talk.

You weren't being singled out.  My chastisement was equal opportunity.

To a answer your question regarding flat shipping cost, it would appear the cost is the same whether you buy your vest and pouches all at once, or one pouch at a time.

My experience is that $200 gets you your vest, two medium utility pouches, one first aid pouch, one travel organizer, and one GPS pouch.  Shipping is included in that $200.  Between those pouches, and the integral pockets in the vest, I was able to fit everything on a CAP 24-hour gear list.  If you're packing to SARTECH standards, you're going to be carrying a day pack on top of what you're wearing with the vest.  If you don't need ground team leader equipment, you can probably drop the GPS pouch and travel organizer, saving you $35.  I would recommend dropping the GPS pouch anyway unless you have a large size GPS.  After getting the travel organizer, it's a great pouch, but I also own a Condor map pouch.  Between the two, I prefer the Condor map pouch.  It comes with a waterproof map envelope, additional pen pockets, and a flap that covers the pens.  But it's pure personal preference.

Thanks.

Quote from: Samex on August 27, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
Hello everyone,

The 10% discount is still in effect for CAP members.  I am reposting the code number for everyone to use.  8H3C508Q7JBG

This code number has not worked for me and I have just checked it now, it is still rejected.

Quote from: williamburdge on August 28, 2014, 06:13:41 PM

Quote from: Samex on August 27, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
Hello everyone,

The 10% discount is still in effect for CAP members.  I am reposting the code number for everyone to use.  8H3C508Q7JBG

This code number has not worked for me and I have just checked it now, it is still rejected.

Worked for me yesterday.

Code not working today and shipping went up to $30 for US orders.

I shipped 12 orange molle packs, with 30+ orange pouches, and 6 orange camelbaks to AZ on Friday, box was HEAVY. Total shipping from Illinois was $29 and that included a $7 drop shipping charge. Canada must be killer on export fees!

I thought it was more an issue of the exchange rate.

Well, yea $30 CAD. But no export fees perse...just two postal payments and customs.

Hello Everyone,

I want to thank everyone who has ordered so far and to clarify one thing.  The discount code and the $25 flat shipping rate for CAP members is still valid.  In order to get this you MUST order through www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com).  Everyone so far has been using that website with the exception of usafaux2004 yesterday.  You ended up going through our other website which does not have the discount set up and the shipping is standard cost.  I will send you a separate email today to get things looked after for you.

So please order through www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com) and use discount code 8H3C508Q7JBG at check out.

All vests and pouches have been selling extremely well and we are currently out of stock on pouch MHVO 301.  We will have our new shipment in our warehouse in approximately 10 days.

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Thanks Roger.

Based on a few other comments earlier in the thread, I may not have been the only one to do so. ;)

My apologies to usafaux2004, I didn't mean to single you out. 

Regards

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Quote from: Samex on September 11, 2014, 04:50:39 PM
My apologies to usafaux2004, I didn't mean to single you out. 

Regards

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

None necessary. Just pointing out that day before and day after my first order someone said they had issues as well. I'm thinking they did what I did...went to the wrong website. Lol.

anyone field test this yet in brushy woods and or hot weather? 

Quote from: brent.teal on October 02, 2014, 07:29:11 PM
anyone field test this yet in brushy woods and or hot weather?

Field Tested? Yes. Brushy woods? No. Define Hot for September?


I've been delaying, but I plan to post pictures just like Panzerbjorn (http://captalk.net/index.php?action=profile;u=6327).


I'll post my review of the layout, and everything else. Probably a weekend project!

I was up at Hawk Mountain for navigation weekend, someone pointed out that the tactical vests worn by some cadets were hot and causing them to drink more water.  Now no one was wearing this vest.  Hence my question on if anone had worn it in the heat or in brushy conditions. 

I had quite a workout.  Found out I am not 18 anymore LOL, but had a great time.

Are you talking specifically about this vest?

A lot of cadets wear some ridiculous stuff, so it's no wonder they are hot.

I don't think anyone at hawk had this vest.  It was something one of the staff cadets pointed out in general.  I am curious if anyone has warn the vest in the field in warmer temperatures. 

Quote from: brent.teal on October 10, 2014, 12:27:41 AM
I don't think anyone at hawk had this vest.  It was something one of the staff cadets pointed out in general.  I am curious if anyone has warn the vest in the field in warmer temperatures.

YMMV, but just wearing BDUs in the summer can be a beater. I'm sure this vest isn't "breathing" much between all the stuff on it. But that's what makes it durable.

Quote from: brent.teal on October 10, 2014, 12:27:41 AM
I don't think anyone at hawk had this vest.  It was something one of the staff cadets pointed out in general.  I am curious if anyone has warn the vest in the field in warmer temperatures.

I guess the followup would be "What do they suggest as an alternative?"

As mentioned above, the majority of the issue is going to be the BDU, which as we point out ad nauseum is
ill-suited to most CAP operations, especially if it's the wrong weight for summer (see that a lot),
but my comments about plate carriers and air soft stuff aside, you have to carry the gear in something,
hot or not.

I'd hazard all or most or SER and SWR is hotter then PA.

QuoteI'd hazard all or most of SER and SWR is hotter then PA.

SER - But it's not the heat, it's the humidity.  SWR - But it's a dry heat.    Of course, SWR stretches into both climate zones.

Mike

..and PCR, where it can be all seasons, pretty much any time of year.

I know about texas heat, but I have not lived there for 14 years.  I am now adapted to pa's milder climate.  At least its milder during the summer :).

Hello Everyone, Here is a sneak peak at some new products that are in production stage and will be available shortly.  We have a back MOLLE pouch that attaches across the bottom back of our vests, a tear away MOLLE medical pouch, and  an orange boonie hat.  Although the pictures have different shade of orange, the fabric used is the same as the vest so you get an exact match.

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Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

I like that back pouch. How much will it cost and when will it be available?

Quote from: Storm Chaser on November 02, 2014, 08:55:32 PM
I like that back pouch. How much will it cost and when will it be available?

I have one of those in black, and it's perfect for CAP SAR.  It can easily fit a 24-hour kit (minus food and water).

Quote from: 68w20 on November 03, 2014, 05:13:58 AM

Quote from: Storm Chaser on November 02, 2014, 08:55:32 PM
I like that back pouch. How much will it cost and when will it be available?

I have one of those in black, and it's perfect for CAP SAR.  It can easily fit a 24-hour kit (minus food and water).

Is it comfortable to wear with the MOLLE vest? Thanks.

Quote from: Storm Chaser on November 03, 2014, 06:14:22 AM

Quote from: 68w20 on November 03, 2014, 05:13:58 AM

Quote from: Storm Chaser on November 02, 2014, 08:55:32 PM
I like that back pouch. How much will it cost and when will it be available?

I have one of those in black, and it's perfect for CAP SAR.  It can easily fit a 24-hour kit (minus food and water).

Is it comfortable to wear with the MOLLE vest? Thanks.

I have the vest but haven't been able to play with it.  I've carried it comfortably on a pistol belt/attached to a camelback for a few years, though.

We should have the new pouches in stock mid-January.  The breakaway medical pouch will be $29.95 and the back pouch will be $49.95. 

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Hello Everyone,

We are offering a great deal on our vests for a limited time.  For 10 days starting from today, CAP members get 40% off our hi vis reflective vests.  This discount only applies to the vests with reflective striping.  The discount does not apply to any of the pouches or any other Duty Apparel products.

To get the discount, access our website www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com) and enter discount code WTT4SDDIA2G0 at check out.  Again this is for a limited time only.  Offer expires November 29th 2014.

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Roger, do you have any pictures of the med pack open? I'm curious about the layout inside.

I have to say these guys are a class act.  My wife ordered the vest for me a few days ago for my 40th birthday.  I saw the 40% off today and let her know but she had already ordered it. 

She emailed these fine folks today and asked if they could apply the code to the order.  They have responded and have already sent the refund.   

Quote from: Samex on November 19, 2014, 10:37:54 AM
Hello Everyone,

We are offering a great deal on our vests for a limited time.  For 10 days starting from today, CAP members get 40% off our hi vis reflective vests.

In other news, I'm gong to participate in the Hawk Mountain ES Weekend coming up 12/6.  Hoping to use the vest then. 

Hello everyone, I apologize for the delay, been very busy as our line of vests and pouches is very successful.  A while back someone wanted to see the inside of our BMS medical pouch.  Here you go...

(http://i62.tinypic.com/34rvuom.jpg)

Regards,

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Nice!

What are the dimensions?

Hello everyone!

First off my apologies for taking so long to get back to Cap Talk.  Allot of great products are on their way to our warehouse.  We should have these in hand by the first week of February.  As soon as we have our product pictures and information uploaded to our website I will let everyone know.  We added our Breakaway Modular System (BMS) on quite a few pouches for 2015. With this system, our pouches can be removed quickly without undoing the MOLLE platform that is anchored to the vest. 

We are adding 10 new MOLLE pouches which will include 2 BMS ammunition pouches, a cell phone pouch, a camera pouch, a cinch pouch, a drop leg carry/game pouch, a BMS map pouch, a radio/GPS pouch, a BMS medical pouch and a small carry pouch.  We have revised our medium utility pouch and our trip organizer pouches and added the Break Away Modular system to these.  We also revised the hands free GPS pouch.

As you can see some great new products on the way and more that are at the design stage and should be available this year.

Take care everyone and keep checking the post!

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Have you considered offering a regular discount to CAP members (I'd imagine smaller than the 40%), and having that put out to all members? 

CAP members get discounts on a number of things, and they get posted in our online system, as well as on the regular website. 

You'd be able to advertise your offerings to the whole membership that way, by having it on the site.

We actually currently offer 10% discount to cap members on our products across the board that are available at www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com).  I am increasing the discount to 15% across the board.  This is the discount code that must be entered at check out.

K02XTJXO89N4

if you could post this for CAP members that would be great...thanks!

Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apaprel

That's great!  Thank you.  I'm not sure who the contact is to get it put on our list of member benefits, but I can try to help find out.  Would you send me a message here with your information, so I could put them in direct contact with you, if I find the right person?

This breakaway modular system....how difficult is it to break the pouches off? In other words, how secure are the pouches on the vest while going through heavy brush?

Quote from: Matt Thompson on January 17, 2015, 08:24:28 PM
This breakaway modular system....how difficult is it to break the pouches off? In other words, how secure are the pouches on the vest while going through heavy brush?

It's almost a pain to move if you loop the strap through every level.

Our BMS system is very secure.  The platform is weaved through as you would with regular MOLLE pouches.  The pouch attaches to the platform by Velcro and is secured in place with a nylon strap.  The strap has a quick release buckle allowing quick and easy removal of the pouch.  You can trek through thick brush all day and these will not come off unless you want them to.

We will also be offering the platforms for sale on their own.  These come in two sizes and fit all of our BMS pouches.  The nylon strap with quick release buckle is part of the platform which allows an individual to secure other items as they wish.  For example if you wanted to bring a roll up mat you would attach two BMS platforms to the lower back of the vest.  Use the nylon straps to secure the mat to the platforms and you are good to go.

You will also be able to use existing non MOLLE pouches that you may have.  Just add a piece of Velcro to your favorite pouch, apply it to the platform and snug it up using the nylon strap and you're good to go.

The first stock order is scheduled to come in on the 20th of January.  I will be able to post some pictures then.  Our website should be update by the first week of February as we have to get all the products professionally photographed and edited.

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel 

Just ordered my vest and a few pouches....can't wait to get a chance to test them out! Thanks for the 15% discount!

This is impressive gear...ok so as I saw there's somewhat of a disagreement between orange and yellow, so which as CAP Personnel should I order? I noticed yellow is I think like $10 more. I honestly don't care of price with the 15% but I want to know which to order, regs and all, CYA essentially.
Also, Mr. Rondeau sir, any ideas when your company will have those breakaway med and back pouches available? I want to make sure I can fit as much into my order as possible and just have to pay the shipping fee once instead of vest then pouches, chinking it up order upon order, don't mind doing that if I have to. I'm Nevada Wing and rarely get called out much. Was on standby this week for the joint CA/NV Search.

There's no regulation dictating gear color, as there's no standardized gear.

As advice, especially based on your call out comment, I don't think a cadet should invest in this gear. (It's even a stretch for SMs, things being as they are).

As a side note, I know your 101 says you're an SET, but are you an actual wing sanctioned SET? IIUC, ILWG doesn't/rarely qualifies cadets as SET.

Quote from: Shieldel on January 25, 2015, 03:53:07 AM
This is impressive gear...ok so as I saw there's somewhat of a disagreement between orange and yellow, so which as CAP Personnel should I order?

As mentioned, there is no national standard, and the applicable regulations only indicate "ANSI II".

Your call.

Captain Hatkevich sir,
My GTM3 and UDF SET quals were done by a ES officer who advised the Wing (he was a "Senior ES Officer" of sorts in the sense that he was a trusted advisor, volunteered with Red Rock SAR outside of CAP before he was reassigned (he's Active Duty and was assigned to Nellis, has since rotated out of Nellis and away), my MRO and MSA SET quals were done by the Wing Comm Officer (or I at least think he is if memory serves right)
Yes my quals are fully certified by Wing. They were done by Wing Personnel. I am primarily Command Post and now since turning 18 in November, I am qualified Aircrew as well (certified Scanner as of December, and now Observer trainee). The Nevada Wing Chief of Staff was once my squadron commander and I see her often at the Southern Nevada ICP, she has full faith in my abilities, she sees me at work often.

My next "Wishlist qualification" is PIO. I want to do photography and media outreach. I've been wanting to talk to the Wing PAO and see if he's willing to take me under his tutelage. But that's beside the point of this thread, excuse me for kindof hijacking the thread here, but I just answered your question :)

Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on January 25, 2015, 05:22:25 AM
There's no regulation dictating gear color, as there's no standardized gear.

As advice, especially based on your call out comment, I don't think a cadet should invest in this gear. (It's even a stretch for SMs, things being as they are).

As a side note, I know your 101 says you're an SET, but are you an actual wing sanctioned SET? IIUC, ILWG doesn't/rarely qualifies cadets as SET.

The SET on the 101 comes from competing the SET training.....not getting on the approved list.

One of the many problems with OPS-Qauls.

NVWG does allow cadets to be Task Evaluators.

P.S.   Shiedel......if you are going to get this stuff....go with the orange.

Thank you Sgt. Harris sir. I'll wait for the breakaway pouches to come out before showing this at the squadron as part of a presentation, plan on doing one last SAR presentation for interested cadets before our graded SAREX in I believe May.

And yes NVWG does allow cadets to be Evals, I myself, personally do not know of any "lists", is that how other wings handle things, putting people on an approved list?

Quote from: lordmonar on January 25, 2015, 05:57:58 AMThe SET on the 101 comes from competing the SET training.....not getting on the approved list.

Incorrect.

SET is submitted through the chain via OPS Quals, and must be approved per rating.
This changed about 3 years ago.

Members must have passed the online SET exam, and have been qualified for at least a calendar
year before the system shows green for a respective rating.  Wing staff with the proper rights
can waive the one year requirement when deemed appropriate.

Quote from: Shieldel on January 25, 2015, 06:02:23 AM
that how other wings handle things, putting people on an approved list?

Prior to the system change, some wings did maintain a list of approved SETs, as the system did not
perform proper vetting.  In fact, it was possible to enter the CAPID of another member who was not
even qualified in the specialty they were supposedly tasking the member in.

Generally this was due to a typo when entering the CAPID.

The diamond on the 101 card indicators a skill evaluator....requires input from wing....but the SET on the card shows up when you finish the training (or at least it used to) which is what I thought was being talked about.

SET is NOT a Skill evaluator.

Maybe it is just a terminology thing.   If so I apologize.

Quote from: lordmonar on January 25, 2015, 06:13:59 AM
The diamond on the 101 card indicators a skill evaluator....requires input from wing....but the SET on the card shows up when you finish the training (or at least it used to) which is what I thought was being talked about.

SET is NOT a Skill evaluator.

Maybe it is just a terminology thing.   If so I apologize.

I'm running off the same as the signature. :)

But outside of that, SET and Skills Evaluator seem to interchangeable around here.

What's on my 101 is in my signature, if that clarifies things. I always thought the two were interchangeable.
Also looking back in the first few pages again...I REALLY want one of those orange backpacks...

Quote from: Shieldel on January 25, 2015, 06:47:39 AM
What's on my 101 is in my signature, if that clarifies things. I always thought the two were interchangeable.
Also looking back in the first few pages again...I REALLY want one of those orange backpacks...

Did anyone bother to check the 101 card. I did. It's all there. 'Nuf said.

BTW, as far as cost is concerned on these items, all prices are in CAD, which means with the exchange rate the items are cheaper than they appear. After the 15% discount, my vest and 2 pouches came to $129 after shipping. When it hit my credit card it only hit for 105.12 due to the exchange rate!

Oh nice! Ok I wasn't aware of conversions and hitting the credit card and all, I thought the previously mentioned prices were in USD, ALREADY converted

Quote from: Shieldel on January 25, 2015, 06:26:16 PM
Oh nice! Ok I wasn't aware of conversions and hitting the credit card and all, I thought the previously mentioned prices were in USD, ALREADY converted

The current exchange rate is working quite nicely the US' favor.  I was in Toronto in Dec, and
through some mistakes with the vendors, my hotel, rental car, and misc stuff was all
charged on the CN side.

Even after the credit card foreign xchange fees, everything was still 10-15% less then
the prices we were quoted on the US side.

Now's a good time to buy!

I'll definetely have to buy now then! Guess I'll get my vest now and my pouches later!

So, now a question for myself.

By "breakaway" are we talking about the drop-down style for ease of access, or some safety thing in the event the
vest is caught by a vehicle, etc?

Or is this so you can remove then quickly to access?

Or other?

If you look back on page 7 Eclipse, Mr Rondeau gave us a sneak preview of the breakaway pouches. Just to get an idea of what the company is thinking. It's meant as quick release I think.

Quote from: lordmonar on January 25, 2015, 05:57:58 AM

Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on January 25, 2015, 05:22:25 AM
There's no regulation dictating gear color, as there's no standardized gear.

As advice, especially based on your call out comment, I don't think a cadet should invest in this gear. (It's even a stretch for SMs, things being as they are).

As a side note, I know your 101 says you're an SET, but are you an actual wing sanctioned SET? IIUC, ILWG doesn't/rarely qualifies cadets as SET.

The SET on the 101 comes from competing the SET training.....not getting on the approved list.

I don't believe SET shows on the 101 card anymore, just the diamond by the appropriate qualification if appointed as a skills evaluator for it.

Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on January 25, 2015, 05:22:25 AM
As a side note, I know your 101 says you're an SET, but are you an actual wing sanctioned SET? IIUC, ILWG doesn't/rarely qualifies cadets as SET.

As has been mentioned, wings have different policies regarding cadets as skills evaluators. Many do allow cadets to be appointed as such. Personally, I won't approve any cadet unless they've been actively participating in training or actual missions, and have demonstrated maturity and the skills to effectively train and evaluate others.

Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on January 25, 2015, 06:40:14 AM
But outside of that, SET and Skills Evaluator seem to interchangeable around here.

I've seen some use it interchangeably, but their not the same thing.

Quote from: Storm Chaser on January 26, 2015, 03:04:59 AMPersonally, I won't approve any cadet unless they've been actively participating in training or actual missions, and have demonstrated maturity and the skills to effectively train and evaluate others.

Shouldn't you do that for any skill evaluator....cadet  or not

Quote from: lordmonar on January 26, 2015, 03:07:00 AM

Quote from: Storm Chaser on January 26, 2015, 03:04:59 AMPersonally, I won't approve any cadet unless they've been actively participating in training or actual missions, and have demonstrated maturity and the skills to effectively train and evaluate others.

Shouldn't you do that for any skill evaluator....cadet  or not

Absolutely. But we were talking about cadets as skills evaluators, so my comment was directed at that. At the unit level, it's much easier to confirm their maturity and skill level, but it's a bit more challenging to do so at the group level.

Quote from: Eclipse on January 25, 2015, 05:34:54 AM

Quote from: Shieldel on January 25, 2015, 03:53:07 AM
This is impressive gear...ok so as I saw there's somewhat of a disagreement between orange and yellow, so which as CAP Personnel should I order?

As mentioned, there is no national standard, and the applicable regulations only indicate "ANSI II".

Your call.

While CAPR 62-1 allows for ANSI II orange or lime green safety vests (and CAPM 39-1 only refers to CAPR 62-1), I personally prefer orange for wilderness GSAR, as in my experience it's easier to spot in the woods. Also, hunters wear and are conditioned to look out for orange in the woods. But again, that's just my personal preference. The Ground and UDF Team Task Guide specifies orange vests, but the Task Guide predates the current CAPR 62-1. It also recommends that the day pack be red or orange, but it doesn't require it.

IIRC some states require orange on state lands when hunting season is in.

Good point, no reason to carry both colors and switch mid search to legally cross onto state game lands, plus most GTMs will have orange, so why be the odd man on the team unless assigning a different color vest for a duty position for quick identification in the field.

Quote from: Matt Thompson on January 26, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Good point, no reason to carry both colors and switch mid search to legally cross onto state game lands, plus most GTMs will have orange, so why be the odd man on the team unless assigning a different color vest for a duty position for quick identification in the field.

Perhaps in your AOR, but mine is much more urban and a lot of members are switching to yellow to
fit in with the rest of the EMS/DR community.

You raise a fair point, and if nothing else, there should be a wing policy or something specific to the AOR.
For professionalism, everyone on a given team should be in the same color.

Quote from: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 06:15:01 PM

Quote from: Matt Thompson on January 26, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Good point, no reason to carry both colors and switch mid search to legally cross onto state game lands, plus most GTMs will have orange, so why be the odd man on the team unless assigning a different color vest for a duty position for quick identification in the field.

Perhaps in your AOR, but mine is much more urban and a lot of members are switching to yellow to
fit in with the rest of the EMS/DR community.

You raise a fair point, and if nothing else, there should be a wing policy or something specific to the AOR.
For professionalism, everyone on a given team should be in the same color.

This is the big problem. Everyone else that I've ever seen is almost universally in yellow. CAP and maybe a few groups here and there still use mostly orange. So who do we try to fit in with, CAP with orange or everyone else with yellow?

Quote from: jeders on January 26, 2015, 06:58:28 PM

Quote from: Eclipse on January 26, 2015, 06:15:01 PM

Quote from: Matt Thompson on January 26, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Good point, no reason to carry both colors and switch mid search to legally cross onto state game lands, plus most GTMs will have orange, so why be the odd man on the team unless assigning a different color vest for a duty position for quick identification in the field.

Perhaps in your AOR, but mine is much more urban and a lot of members are switching to yellow to
fit in with the rest of the EMS/DR community.

You raise a fair point, and if nothing else, there should be a wing policy or something specific to the AOR.
For professionalism, everyone on a given team should be in the same color.

This is the big problem. Everyone else that I've ever seen is almost universally in yellow. CAP and maybe a few groups here and there still use mostly orange. So who do we try to fit in with, CAP with orange or everyone else with yellow?

CAP Orange is a far distant one compared to CAP Olive Drab/BDU/DCU/ABU/ACU/Urban Camo/Black Tac vest.

Ideally, we would have orange gear when in a woodland environment and lime green when in an urban environment. Unfortunately, we don't have issued or even standardized gear (or policies, for that matter), so enforcing this would be nearly impossible.

^ And this gets back to mission and purpose.

CAP has these challenges because it has no definition of response lane.  CAP wants to be all things to all people.

Quote from: Matt Thompson on January 26, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Good point, no reason to carry both colors and switch mid search to legally cross onto state game lands, plus most GTMs will have orange, so why be the odd man on the team unless assigning a different color vest for a duty position for quick identification in the field.

Or for those states that require orange in hunting areas, a little politicking might be helpful.  Get with other SAR agencies or similar agencies and lobby for a policy change/law amendment that allows an exception to non-hunters or emergency personnel that authorize lime yellow. 

An exception for safety rules?

Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on January 27, 2015, 02:34:15 AM
An exception for safety rules?

No, an exception on the color that would still allow the intent (high visibility) of the safety rules to be followed. 

Hello everyone,

It's very interesting to go through all the various posts about regulations and what would be best.  I can tell you from our point of view it varies.  For example, we just received an order from the Royal New Zealand Air Force.  They ordered all yellow gear.  We are currently in discussions with the Canadian military and they are looking at all orange.  So I guess the good thing for everyone is that we offer both.  We produce all pouches and vest in both hi vis orange and hi vis yellow.  I can tell you that so far all CAP orders have been hi-vis orange.

We just finished shooting our product video.  This is currently at the editing stage.  As soon as it's ready we will post it on our website so everyone can see the vest and the Breakaway Modular System and how it works.  If you go to our website www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com), you will see that we uploaded some great new pictures of the vest.  You can see how the reflective striping looks for both the parallel striping and the X striping on the back.  We are unveiling all the new products at the 2015 Toronto Sportsman Show next week.  We will be posting some great pictures on our Instagram and our Facebook page. If you log on to our website and click the Facebook icon it will take you to our page.  Follow us on Facebook (and "like us") or Instagram to see the new products before they are posted on the website.

One of our new products which I haven't disclosed yet is an blaze orange windproof/water repellent pant with a built in attachment system that snaps into our vests.  This is a great product for Search and Rescue application.  So as you can see we continue to innovate and progress with some great new products. 

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Hello everyone,

We just came back from the Toronto Sportsman Show where we introduced the 2015 line up.  We are currently working on adding all the new products to the website.  In the meantime, take a look at the following video.  It shows our hunting/search and rescue vest.  There are slight differences between this vest and the hi vis reflective version but the design and basic features are the same.

http://youtu.be/EfmIuUJj148 (http://youtu.be/EfmIuUJj148)

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

My vest took exactly 2 weeks from the order date, till it arrived at my doorstep. Not bad for being shipped from over the border. I got the vest, the medium pouch and the organizer pouch. None came with the new breakaway system, but I'm not sure I really wanted that anyway. I added a red molle first aid pouch I picked up for $15 at the local surplus store. With the 3 pouches, and all of the included pockets, I can pretty much get all of the required 24 hour gear stowed away neatly. I'm thinking of adding a butt pack to the back to hold the few things I couldn't fit in (mre's and tarp) but I don't know how I'll attach it without covering the reflective striping on the back yet. Overall I'm quite impressed with the quality of the vest. Once I finish assembling it I'll throw a few pics up of my setup.

Glad you like your vest.  We have a 3 in 1 pack that attaches to the back of the vest just below the striping.  This would probably suit your needs.  We had a vest on display at the show with this set up and everyone loved that feature.  I'll try and post pictures tomorrow of how it attaches to the back.

Roger Rondeau

Is the pack listed on the website sir?

Quote from: Samex on February 15, 2015, 01:03:52 PM
Hello everyone,

We just came back from the Toronto Sportsman Show where we introduced the 2015 line up.  We are currently working on adding all the new products to the website.  In the meantime, take a look at the following video.  It shows our hunting/search and rescue vest.  There are slight differences between this vest and the hi vis reflective version but the design and basic features are the same.

http://youtu.be/EfmIuUJj148 (http://youtu.be/EfmIuUJj148)

Roger Rondeau

On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Wow - I really like those suspender straps for weight distribution - would probably help a lot from the
typical "tip-back" you get with a vest that is heavy in the back.

Hello everyone.  Well we finally finished adding all the new products to our website.  These are in stock now and ready to ship.  Take some time and visit our website www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com) to see these great new products.  Don't forget, CAP members receive 15% discount on orders.

Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

Re: Orange vs. Lime

CAPR 60-3 (2012) prescribes the SQTRs and task guides for each specialty rating.

And the Ground Team task guide (2004) prescribes reflective orange.

CAPR 60-3 (2012) prescribes either ANSI Class II orange or lime for CAP ground activities, but it does not spell out which colors shall be used for which particular ground activities.

The latest edition of CAPM 39-1 (2014) requires that ES items meet the respective NHQ/DO task guide.

And the GT task guide still prescribes reflective orange for GT ops.

So this would seem to mean that lime could theoretically be used for Flight Line Management or road guards. But GT still requires orange.

I wouldn't bother buying two different safety vests in different colors. Just go with ANSI II reflective orange, and you'll be covered for GT, FLM, and road guard duty. Three birds with one stone.

--TB

Quote from: TexasBEAST on March 15, 2015, 08:21:06 PM
Re: Orange vs. Lime

CAPR 60-3 (2012) prescribes the SQTRs and task guides for each specialty rating.

And the Ground Team task guide (2004) prescribes reflective orange.

CAPR 60-3 (2012) prescribes either ANSI Class II orange or lime for CAP ground activities, but it does not spell out which colors shall be used for which particular ground activities.

The latest edition of CAPM 39-1 (2014) requires that ES items meet the respective NHQ/DO task guide.

And the GT task guide still prescribes reflective orange for GT ops.

So this would seem to mean that lime could theoretically be used for Flight Line Management or road guards. But GT still requires orange.

I wouldn't bother buying two different safety vests in different colors. Just go with ANSI II reflective orange, and you'll be covered for GT, FLM, and road guard duty. Three birds with one stone.

--TB

I think you meant CAPR 62-1, not CAPR 60-3, when you referred to the regulation that prescribes the approved safety vest types and colors. CAPM 39-1, Para 9.5.1, refers to CAPR 62-1 for approved vests. And while the 2004 G&UDFT Task Guide prescribes an orange safety vest, the newer regulations take precedence over it. Now, I personally prefer orange, but any ground team member wearing an lime green ANSI II safety vest would be within regulations.

Quote from: Storm Chaser on March 15, 2015, 09:37:51 PM
I think you meant CAPR 62-1, not CAPR 60-3, when you referred to the regulation that prescribes the approved safety vest types and colors.

Yep yep. I coulda sworn that's what I typed. Oh well.

QuoteCAPM 39-1, Para 9.5.1, refers to CAPR 62-1 for approved vests. And while the 2004 G&UDFT Task Guide prescribes an orange safety vest, the newer regulations take precedence over it. Now, I personally prefer orange, but any ground team member wearing an lime green ANSI II safety vest would be within regulations.

That's not all that 39-1 says, though. 9.5 says,

QuoteWear of Items Required for Emergency Services or Safe Operations. Items required to be worn by the various Task Guides as published by NHQ/DO are authorized to be worn with the USAF-style and Corporate-style utility and flight uniforms. [...] Commanders will ensure that these items meet the requirements of the NHQ/DO published task training guide[...].

While the 2012 62-1 authorizes either orange or lime for all ground activities, the 2014 39-1 says that the task guides lay out the requirements for ES operations, and commanders will ensure compliance with the task guides. The 2014 manual is newer than 2012 reg. So, using your reasoning, the 2014 manual trumps the open-ended 2012 reg.

And that newer 2014 manual points right back to the old 2004 G&UDFT Tasks. So, in a way, the old 2004 task guide actually still trumps the newer open-ended 2012 reg, too.

CAPR > CAPM > Taskbook.

Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on March 16, 2015, 04:35:27 AM
CAPR > CAPM > Taskbook.

FTFY.

(CAPR = CAPM) > Taskbook

Quote from: TexasBEAST on March 16, 2015, 03:08:38 AM
And that newer 2014 manual points right back to the old 2004 G&UDFT Tasks. So, in a way, the old 2004 task guide actually still trumps the newer open-ended 2012 reg, too.

With that logic, then we wouldn't be required to wear ANSI II safety vests either because all the Task Guide requires is for the vests to be orange and reflective. Yeah, I don't think it works that way.

Not at all.

What I'm saying is that since all of these various publications are still active, in-force, current pubs, then they should all be given credence. None should be viewed as really "trumping" the other, in totality. That's a zero-sum game.

When you have several pubs that deal with the same subject, and one is more open-ended and permissive, while the other is more restrictive and exclusive, then you should abide by the more restrictive publication. It's not that the open-ended one is wrong, but its provisions are narrowed and limited by the more restrictive pub.

39-1 says that CAP members can wear, what, 17 different uniforms? (I'm being facetious, but you should get my point.) But a unit or activity commander may prescribe wear of just one or two uniforms for certain functions, in the guise of the UOD. The more restrictive instruction should be seen as ruling out over the more open-ended one, in that specific instance.

62-1 says that either orange or lime shall be worn for CAP ground activities. That's open-ended. Unit or activity commanders may further specify beyond that which colors shall be worn for certain functions. It's pretty much always been that way. So the reg's open-endedness isn't absolute. It can be reined in.

The task guide is still in force, even 11 years later. It was never rescinded or replaced. In fact, the latest edition of 60-3 was published after 62-1, and 60-3 still requires use of the task guides. And then in 2014, 39-1 reiterated that the task guides are still binding when it comes to ES gear. And so, the GT task guide's provisions are still in force. Those provisions are more restrictive than 62-1's. Thus, reflective orange is still the prescribed color for ground and UDF team outdoor ops.

62-1 goes further by saying that vests must be ANSI II. That's more restrictive than the old language that merely said that safety vests had to be "reflective orange". OK, so those reflective orange vests called for in the task guide must now be ANSI II reflective orange vests. This supplements and further restricts the "reflective orange" description in the task guide, without contradicting it.

So the reflective lime stuff must be for some other activities besides GT ops. Flight line marshalling or road guards come to mind. This interpretation means that 62-1 is still correct; it is not invalidated or trumped by the task guide. But 62-1's mention of lime green isn't applicable to ground team. It's certainly applicable to some of the other types of CAP ground activities, though.

Interpreting 62-1 as authorizing lime green for ground team, when two different newer publications (60-3 and 39-1) both say that the task guide (and its provision only for orange) is still in force, would be an interpretation that 62-1 contradicts the task guide.

My approach honors and follows all of the various publications that deal with the same subject. It's not picking and choosing regs to follow, buffet style. it's following them all.

Or...option two - the guide is olde, and when the others were revised no one bothered/thought/wanted to deal with it.

Some of you folks have not "met" TexasBEAST yet. He is the Patron Saint of Blaze Orange!!! :clap:

Any attempt get him to forsake his beloved Blaze Orange is pointless.  :o

But have fun anyway! >:D

I prefer orange too, but will not turn any ground team member away for wearing an ANSI II lime green vest. I think lime green works great for urban environments, but orange is better for wilderness ones. Personally, I have an easier time seeing someone wearing orange in the woods from a great distance than I do lime green.

The vest I wear for AT&T is both Yellow and Orange. I guess they're not taking sides!

Quote from: PHall on March 19, 2015, 03:57:39 AM
The vest I wear for AT&T is both Yellow and Orange. I guess they're not taking sides!

There's safe, and there's AT&T safe.

Quote from: Garibaldi on March 20, 2015, 09:27:34 PM

Quote from: PHall on March 19, 2015, 03:57:39 AM
The vest I wear for AT&T is both Yellow and Orange. I guess they're not taking sides!

There's safe, and there's AT&T safe.

So that's why they charge so much for their cell phone plans. >:D

Quote from: Storm Chaser on March 21, 2015, 01:16:09 PM

Quote from: Garibaldi on March 20, 2015, 09:27:34 PM

Quote from: PHall on March 19, 2015, 03:57:39 AM
The vest I wear for AT&T is both Yellow and Orange. I guess they're not taking sides!

There's safe, and there's AT&T safe.

So that's why they charge so much for their cell phone plans. >:D

No, they charge that much because you are willing to pay it! >:D >:D

Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on March 18, 2015, 10:58:59 PM
Or...option two - the guide is olde, and when the others were revised no one bothered/thought/wanted to deal with it.

Ain't that the truth?

Quote from: Storm Chaser on March 19, 2015, 02:00:18 AM
I prefer orange too, but will not turn any ground team member away for wearing an ANSI II lime green vest.

I'm not back in CAP yet, so this is kinda moot. But I'm right there on the line, on this.

FWIW, the NESA packing lists never got updated to include lime, either. They still say reflective orange. And yet, their picture gallery shows lime all over the place.

And they still issue everybody black ball caps too, even though the task guide says GT headgear is supposed to be either the BDU hat or a brightly colored baseball cap, so I guess their uniform standards don't really help too much...

QuoteI think lime green works great for urban environments, but orange is better for wilderness ones. Personally, I have an easier time seeing someone wearing orange in the woods from a great distance than I do lime green.

Blaze orange became known as the international safety color because the US Army and the US Department of the Interior conducted visibility tests back in the '40s for various colors, and bright orange was found to work the best against the widest variety of background colors.

I am not sure whether or not they had access to fluorescent lime back then, or whether it was tested.

But I do know that in bright, high-glare lighting conditions, lime green can blend right in with the highlights on green vegetation in wilderness environments.

Quote from: PHall on March 19, 2015, 01:05:43 AM
Some of you folks have not "met" TexasBEAST yet. He is the Patron Saint of Blaze Orange!!! :clap:

I just heard a Gregorian chant start going off in the back of my mind!

The Gospel according to BEAST. Bound in orange-dyed leather. I'd like that!

Quote from: PHall on March 19, 2015, 03:57:39 AM
The vest I wear for AT&T is both Yellow and Orange. I guess they're not taking sides!

That's probably the best bet. Orange vest with lime reflective stripes. Best of both worlds!

Hello everyone,  it's been a while since I posted and we have been busy.  We have quite a few new products that are now available on our website www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com).  Here is a picture of one of our new hi vis packs. It's constructed of our 600D hi vis yellow Cordura fabric.

(http://s13.postimg.org/rpmwwd2fr/Bag3.jpg)

Tons of room to load a 24 hour pack with MOLLE webbing to accept our pouches.

Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel

The current version of this vest DOES NOT have the ANSI/ISEA 107-2010 Class 2 label.

Quote from: CRBatchelor on September 07, 2015, 01:58:04 PM
The current version of this vest DOES NOT have the ANSI/ISEA 107-2010 Class 2 label.

You sure about that?

(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/avlack/3e9b2c2cca9ab036d27bc22bbb86e5e1_zpszffvc2u1.jpg)

Maybe his vest (assuming he actually bought one) didn't have the label. Either way, the important thing is that this vest is compliant with ANSI Class 2, regardless of labels.

Quote from: Panzerbjorn on September 08, 2015, 03:37:01 PM

Quote from: CRBatchelor on September 07, 2015, 01:58:04 PM
The current version of this vest DOES NOT have the ANSI/ISEA 107-2010 Class 2 label.

You sure about that?

(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/avlack/3e9b2c2cca9ab036d27bc22bbb86e5e1_zpszffvc2u1.jpg)

Nice catch.

Rechecked the vest, the label on the vest sent me was cut off right above the cert line. Without the label, I may not be able to use it even if it's certified as it's not marked as such, got to love regs. Will need to know how to get it exchanged or something. Didn't know about the discount either.

Quote from: CRBatchelor on September 10, 2015, 07:31:18 AM
Rechecked the vest, the label on the vest sent me was cut off right above the cert line. Without the label, I may not be able to use it even if it's certified as it's not marked as such, got to love regs. Will need to know how to get it exchanged or something. Didn't know about the discount either.

Or you could ask them to send you a replacement tag.

Quote from: CRBatchelor on September 10, 2015, 07:31:18 AM
Rechecked the vest, the label on the vest sent me was cut off right above the cert line. Without the label, I may not be able to use it even if it's certified as it's not marked as such, got to love regs.

CAPR 62-1 states the safety vests must be ANSI Class 2 compliant, which these are, not that they must have a tag or label indicating it. You should be able to use yours regardless of the tag.

Correct, if anyone gives you an issue at a SAREX (not that they should) google ANSI Class II on your phone and show them the spec. I have this vest and it is definitely Class II regardless if the tag was cut off.

The ANSI Standard actually states that for a product to Meet ANSI Standards that it must be permanently marked or Identified as such including the Class and the Standard version used to determine compliance. 

Sometimes Manufacters will create a product using a tag that indicates the ANSI Standard has been met provisionally but they will either remove the tag or obliterate the marking if there was an error that meant the item was defective or through technical specifications didn't pass inspection.  They'll remove the ANSI marking and throw it on the shelf for sale, because they still want to make some money or at least limit their loss.  They just can't advertise it as a ANSI approved product and they are usually Discounted and all sales final type of thing.

Mr. Samex,
Is there anyway to put "Civil Air Patrol Boise RMR-073" on the back of the vest? Preferably in black lettering with the Boise RMR-073 in a little smaller letters under the Civil Air Patrol?
That would be fantastic!
Sincerely,
Cadet Ravlin

Willing to pay more? That doesn't look like a freebie kind of addition/option.

Quote from: C/ARMN Ravlin on November 22, 2015, 09:24:51 PM
Mr. Samex,
Is there anyway to put "Civil Air Patrol Boise RMR-073" on the back of the vest? Preferably in black lettering with the Boise RMR-073 in a little smaller letters under the Civil Air Patrol?
That would be fantastic!
Sincerely,
Cadet Ravlin

(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/avlack/346781fff434755125274c146c95a062_zps4pbhrew3.jpg)

;D

 :clap: ;D

Quote from: C/ARMN Ravlin on November 22, 2015, 09:24:51 PM
Mr. Samex,
Is there anyway to put "Civil Air Patrol Boise RMR-073" on the back of the vest? Preferably in black lettering with the Boise RMR-073 in a little smaller letters under the Civil Air Patrol?
That would be fantastic!
Sincerely,
Cadet Ravlin

You could have always asked one of us ES guys at the meeting about things like this.

Side note, I love the sharpie idea!

Quote from: C/ARMN Ravlin on November 22, 2015, 09:24:51 PM
Mr. Samex,
Is there anyway to put "Civil Air Patrol Boise RMR-073" on the back of the vest? Preferably in black lettering with the Boise RMR-073 in a little smaller letters under the Civil Air Patrol?
That would be fantastic!
Sincerely,
Cadet Ravlin

Get the Civil Air Patrol name tape and name tapes with the BOISE RMR-073 on them and have them stitched on to the Bag

Better yet, have some custom tapes made in orange to match the vest.

Or yellow in my case...

Hello everyone, first off let me apologize for taking so long to join in on the chat again.  It's been a very busy year for us as our vests have been doing extremelly well around the world.  We are currently working with a large Security company in the US to outfit their staff.

Ok, let me address the tag inside the vest.  The vest meet ANSI standards in terms of hi vis colour and reflective.  Our vests have not been submitted for ANSI testing as this is a very expensive and time consuming venture.  Like other companies, we studied the ANSI standards and produced a product that meets these.  When we met with our legal people we discussed the ANSI tag in the vest and it was recommended to us that since we had not submitted the vests for testing that it may be prudent not to add a tag that represented that the vests were compliant although they are.  I mean NO disrespect to our American customers, but the US is very litigious and as a result we have opted to remove the tag from the vests.

As far as the name tag on the back, we can absolutely do that but as someone mentioned there is a cost...ha...ha...

So we are offering a 3 day sale on our vests to CAP members only.  We are taking 40% off the price of the vests!!!(while quantities last)  Combining this with the US/CAD dollar exchange rate these are great savings for CAP members.  At checkout enter the discount code CAP2015.  The purchase must be made through our brand specific website www.dutyapparel.com (http://www.dutyapparel.com) in order to take advantage of the discount.

Hoping everyone has a great holiday season and thank you for doing what you do!!

Roger Rondeau
On Duty Equipment Ltd - Duty Apparel
     

Mr. Rondeau,
Do you have an approximate price on what it would cost to put the lettering on the vest?
Sincerely,
Cadet Airman Ravlin

Quote from: C/AMN Ravlin on November 27, 2015, 06:09:21 PM
Mr. Rondeau,
Do you have an approximate price on what it would cost to put the lettering on the vest?
Sincerely,
Cadet Airman Ravlin

Cadet Ravlin, maybe you should be contacting him through the company website. It's in his post.

Well, I now own a vest!! They are extremely well made and very comfortable. Samex, you have done a fantastic job and I hope to see your company grow in the future.
Sincerely,
Cadet Ravlin