Hi,
I am interested/curious about these two activities (mostly PJOC). I wear contacts so usually I would put them in in the morning and I need a (fairly) clean bathroom to do this. I've been to encampment and SUPTFC and everything worked out. Would I be able to do the same every day (or most days) at PJOC?
Or do you sleep outside all week at PJOC? (if so, just curious how they #2)
Do you get to shower everynight?
Thanks a lot in advance!
I think it would be on your best interest to wear glasses in this sort of training environment.
If for some reason you can't wear glasses I would think about Blue Beret. The majority of PJOC is conducted in the field without the benefit of barracks or showers unless it rains or you fall in a stream, think field hygiene and washing face, pits and crotch, hopefully in that order.
Never been to PJOC, however; I've been to 6 NBB activities. You would be fine with contacts at NBB. It is not the Hilton Inn but you can make do for a couple of weeks there.
Just as a matter of course you should probably take a pair of glasses to any activity away from home. If for some reason you can't wear your contacts what is your Plan B?
i have not been to NBB, however, i have stayed at the NBB complex for a weekend activity and they do have showers/bathrooms etc. It's a very nice complex, Just watch out on how much water you use ;)
I regretted not bringing my contacts to NBB, because there was ample time in the morning to put them in, as well as a clean bathroom.
Wow! Thanks for the quick responses guys. Ok I will take a second look at NBB. If the airshow is only one weekend, what do you do for the rest of the time (I have to research).
Just out of curiosity, how does everyone stay clean when they have to take a #2 and wipe their bottom and they can't wash their hands? And then im sure people have to eat and touch things. How is proper hygiene ensured during an entire week with no hand washing for all those people? I'm sure hand sanitizer isn't part of standard gear either.
It's an honest question and im just curious. I am interested in PJOC to challenge myself(Ive never done too much SAR cuz of field hygenie lol), but I don't want to do something ridiculous haha.
And is it really a full week with no shower?
Quote from: ifresh21 on January 09, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
Wow! Thanks for the quick responses guys. Ok I will take a second look at NBB. If the airshow is only one weekend, what do you do for the rest of the time (I have to research).
Just out of curiosity, how does everyone stay clean when they have to take a #2 and wipe their bottom and they can't wash their hands? And then im sure people have to eat and touch things. How is proper hygiene ensured during an entire week with no hand washing for all those people? I'm sure hand sanitizer isn't part of standard gear either.
It's an honest question and im just curious. I am interested in PJOC to challenge myself(Ive never done too much SAR cuz of field hygenie lol), but I don't want to do something ridiculous haha.
And is it really a full week with no shower?
1. The airshow is the whole second week of the activity. You spend the first week preparing, getting briefed, getting lessons, etc. The next week, each flight (there were 12 when I went) rotated through different spots working the airshow.
2. There is a "normal" bathroom at the NBB compound, complete with flush toilets, sinks,
hot showers, and laundry machines. Outside of the compound, there are a lot of porta-johns on the airshow grounds. Only problem is that the compound runs on a septic tank, so you can't use the bathroom when the tank is full.
Trust me, NBB is nowhere as unsanitary as PJOC.
Quote from: ifresh21 on January 09, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
Wow! Thanks for the quick responses guys. Ok I will take a second look at NBB. If the airshow is only one weekend, what do you do for the rest of the time (I have to research).
Just out of curiosity, how does everyone stay clean when they have to take a #2 and wipe their bottom and they can't wash their hands? And then im sure people have to eat and touch things. How is proper hygiene ensured during an entire week with no hand washing for all those people? I'm sure hand sanitizer isn't part of standard gear either.
It's an honest question and im just curious. I am interested in PJOC to challenge myself(Ive never done too much SAR cuz of field hygenie lol), but I don't want to do something ridiculous haha.
And is it really a full week with no shower?
Field conditions are just that. Living in the field. Hand sanitizer is your friend. You want to do things adventouous? Great, you are going to get sweaty, smelly, and wet. You are going to get your hands dirty. However, you will not be living in conditions so bad that you are going to be unsafe. We don't run that way.
How did man ever survive before hand sanitizer? I think 3 weeks in the field is the longest I went with no "facilities" as an infantryman. I know many who have gone much longer. Just sayin. And that was pooping in holes too! ;D
Never mind the boy in the bubble.. the whole place is turning into the bubble.
Gotta build up defenses somehow.
Quote from: Flying Pig on January 10, 2012, 06:53:17 PM
How did man ever survive before hand sanitizer? I think 3 weeks in the field is the longest I went with no "facilities" as an infantryman. I know many who have gone much longer. Just sayin. And that was pooping in holes too! ;D
Baby wipes, I never went to the field/ down range without them
Quote from: Ground_Pounder on January 10, 2012, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: Flying Pig on January 10, 2012, 06:53:17 PM
How did man ever survive before hand sanitizer? I think 3 weeks in the field is the longest I went with no "facilities" as an infantryman. I know many who have gone much longer. Just sayin. And that was pooping in holes too! ;D
Baby wipes, I never went to the field/ down range without them
Baby wipe showers are a way of life in the field. :P
Quote from: Ground_Pounder on January 10, 2012, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: Flying Pig on January 10, 2012, 06:53:17 PM
How did man ever survive before hand sanitizer? I think 3 weeks in the field is the longest I went with no "facilities" as an infantryman. I know many who have gone much longer. Just sayin. And that was pooping in holes too! ;D
Baby wipes, I never went to the field/ down range without them
+1000!
Quote from: Flying Pig on January 10, 2012, 06:53:17 PM
How did man ever survive before hand sanitizer? I think 3 weeks in the field is the longest I went with no "facilities" as an infantryman. I know many who have gone much longer. Just sayin. And that was pooping in holes too! ;D
Do not depend on hand sanitizer. It is not nearly as effective as the media would lead you to believe. Yes, it is fast, but there are an astonishing number of microorganisms which are not touched by it. Don't believe me -- look at the number of fatalities in hospitals where medical personnel use it exclusively between patient contacts. There is something to be said for mechanical removal of contaminated materials (like feces) using simple soap and water first.
john
(not a medical guy, but a Ft Detrick alumnus ;D)
Soap and water is best, but in the field that might not be possible. At LESA-South (where the entire week is spent in the field with no running water), I sometimes used hand sanitizer wipes, which claim to be more effective than the gel. To the OP: You will probably be grossed out, but you will be fine. In the end, it makes for a good experience because you will know that you can handle it and what works the best for you when you are in those conditions.
Let me tell you about the conditions we experienced during the IACE program in Ghana sometime. ;)
Wash when you can, hand gel when you can, but mostly have a great time at either NBB or PJOC. Both are terrific "not-to-be-missed" oportunities!
The NBB Barracks are a permanent CAP facility. They are well maintained, constantly clean, and quite homey after a hard day's work. But the bathroom is spacious, counters clean, and there are about 8 showers. Ya know, plumbing. Toilets and urinals, too!
Anyway, the point stands ; CAP makes you are comfortable at NBB. As best they can. It's not a hotel, it's a barracks, but that being said, it's a nice setup. After all, were are there for the airshow, not the leisure.
Also, they stress hygiene, since we are out in the public eye in a big way.
-Rogovin
2011 Foxtrot Flight NBB
http://www.hooahhs.com/hooahhs.cfm?PageID=4000 (http://www.hooahhs.com/hooahhs.cfm?PageID=4000) >:D
^ You know I saw those when they first came out - they are like 10x's the cost of normally unscented wipes at your local big-box.
yeah i think they are geared towards camo paint removal. God knows nothing short of sandpaper and mo-gas worked very well to remove the camo from those [darn] dual ended paint stick camo paints.
God made dirt and dirt dont hurt. ;D
As far as the cadets initial question. Your obviously geared towards office life. Doesnt sound like the field is for you. Im not being funny, but are you OCD by any chance? I have a nephew who is compulsive about hygiene. Showers in the morning, at school he spends his lunch in the locker room taking a shower and takes a change of clothes and then at night.
If your that concerned that you cant go 5 days without a shower, your not going to have any fun. Not everyone wants or needs to be a shooter.
The big bang created bugs. ;D