Hi,
I'm a uniform AIC and I'm just starting out in this job, I have gotten a few tips and have found a few things on line but i need to know tricks of the trade of Ironing, put on patches, insignias and so on. I have the job of taking three cadets every night from Zulu flight and training them on EVERYTHING uniform! I know its a big job and that's why I'm asking for a bit of help and advice! I've only been in in CAP for 8 months joining last October. So I'm still green too but my Commanders have given me the job, also i need to know stores that hold anything Supply for I'm also the Supply AIC!
Ya i have a big job, so sir's, mam's, can you please help me out?
Thank you So Much For At Least Reading This!
Cadet Senior Airmen Schlagel
Colorado Springs Cadet Squadron
RMR-CO-030
P.S. I have gotten one trick but i tried it and i think it works. get your cover and spray the whole outside with caned starch and rub it in, then put it on a coffee can or tall bowl and put it in the freezer for 2 hours then pull it out and let it sit in a cool to warm area and let it set.
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:17:28 PM
P.S. I have gotten one trick but i tried it and i think it works. get your cover and spray the whole outside with caned starch and rub it in, then put it on a coffee can or tall bowl and put it in the freezer for 2 hours then pull it out and let it sit in a cool to warm area and let it set.
OK, so you will have a very impressive cover.. What will happen to it when you stow it in your BDU pants pocket as required by CAPM 39-1?
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:17:28 PM
P.S. I have gotten one trick but i tried it and i think it works. get your cover and spray the whole outside with caned starch and rub it in, then put it on a coffee can or tall bowl and put it in the freezer for 2 hours then pull it out and let it sit in a cool to warm area and let it set.
I've seen that before. They look bad. They are a pain to stow in your pocket and it makes you hotter in the summer.
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
What does the Army vet in your Squadron have anything to do with the fact you're breaking uniform regulations concerning you BDU Patrol Cap? One of the important things you need to learn in CAP is that just because someone was in the military doesn't mean that they know everything about CAP itself.
You don't need to starch your cap. It looks silly. BDU's are a utility uniform. They're suppose to be clearn, pressed, and correctly set up, not starched to the point where they can stand up on it's own.
Your service dress? Press with a hot iron with a little bit of starch or hairspray that's allowed to dry. If you press the service pants too hot, they'll get a worn and shiney look.
Cadet Shclagel,
Congratulations on your new position appointment. In many ways, you have been given a significant assignment. What you teach those cadets will stick with them the entire time they're in CAP.
My first recommendation would be to dive into 39-1 (and related interim change letters) and make sure you have a solid understanding of how to wear the uniform in the first place - without any tricks or alternative methods.
Maybe I can help with some of those though.
BDUs:
Hat - Having a hat that is crispy isn't all it's cracked up to be. It's purpose is to cover your head. Tips for this I would tell them to replace overly faded or worn hats and don't crack the brim in half. All that starch you add makes the fabric brittle and will prematurely fade and wear it out. Additionally, if you get caught in the rain, starch in the eyes isn't that appealing.
Name and CAP tapes: Wash them before sewing them on the uniform, if you wash them first they don't shrink and create a puckering look on the BDU blouse. Also, fold under the ends of the tape so the ends don't fray instead of just cutting the ends off.
Patches: Sew them on. With thread. Don't glue, velcro, tape, etc it just looks horrible.
Belt: Have them keep about 6 inches of extra belt on the buckle end so as they grow they can just let that portion out a bit. Also, I would recommend the elastic type belts because they don't fade like the woven ones.
Strings: Trim off the little string ends, don't pull them.
Boots: Boots don't need to be a mirror shine, but they can be. There are tons of methods you'll find out there. Don't use the ones that involve fire or melting the wax. This is the method I use (http://www.ehow.com/how_31_shine-shoes.html) and it works really well without much effort. Also, I add a bit of water to the cloth.
BLUES
Flight Cap: Wash it occasionally.
Shirt: Wash it occasionally. Cadets get lazy about removing the stuff so they don't wash the uniform. The ring around the collar is gross and unprofessional looking. Be sure that their sleeve creases are in the correct location, a lot of times they come with the crease in the wrong place.
Strings: Trim loose strings, don't pull them.
Shirt Garters: These nifty devices hold your socks up and your shirt tails down, so you don't have the parachute look and your shirt is always tucked in. Bring extra material to the side seam and make a neat fold over.
Belt: Same trick as above with the BDUs.
Pants: Hem them to the correct length, but have them leave extra material in the bottom of the leg so as they grow, they can get them re-hemmed without having to purchase new pants. Remind them to watch out when they iron so they don't get multiple creases in the front.
Shoes: Same shining method as above, or they can get the plastic shoes (note: these scuff easy and the scuffs don't come off).
Socks: Make sure they aren't faded, and wash them occasionally.
Ribbons: Don't touch them and if they need to, wash their hands first. When not being worn, put them in a plastic sandwich bag. Also, get some backing material (white cardboard or plastic, foamboard, etc) cut it to the shape of your ribbons and put it between the shirt and the frogs. It makes them a bit flatter and stops the shirt from drooping under them.
Nameplate: See backing material recommendation in ribbon section.
You don't need to do anything fancy to have a uniform that looks professional. Many times all those extras people do just make them look odd and makes them stand out - in a bad way.
Good Luck!
EDIT: Forgot to add shoe shining link.
I think Jimmy has hit the this one pefectly. Jimmy, did you mean to tell him how to shine his boots or to look it up. You kind of said don't use fire and then you said that is the way I do it.. I think you got distracted there for a minute. Otherwise right on. Cadet Schlagel, you didn't have a grandfather or father in flight school in the Army by the name of Dave in the 60's did you? My good buddy from another time and place.. Jimmy, you fixed it while I was typing.. Thanks..
No i don't have any relatives in the army it was another cadets Father that told me that. And i thank you both, that is really what i needed, and i know some tricks don't work and make the uniform look silly i found that out with my boots the liquid stuff works for me because my boots wont shine even after 5+ hours of trying to make them shine, but after i use the liquid i use the normal stuff it works great them. (not be rude but i am a girl i didn't think about putting my first name) Thanks again :)
Quote from: jimmydeanno on June 08, 2010, 08:41:56 PMThis is the method I use (http://www.ehow.com/how_31_shine-shoes.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_31_shine-shoes.html)) and it works really well without much effort. Also, I add a bit of water to the cloth.
Here's a pair of boots that I wore on AD, and still wear them with my BBDUs. The only thing I've ever done to them, care-wise, is brush off whatever nasties have gotten on them, and then polish using the above method.
(http://members.cox.net/dragnd/front.jpg)
They have been completely saturated with water a couple of times, and I also do yard work in them (steel toes).
What you see is after a quick brush job, and no buff. They look even better after a coat of polish.
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:59:27 PM
(not be rude but i am a girl i didn't think about putting my first name) Thanks again :)
In that case, here's another tip. Since female blues shirts don't have pockets to line up the nameplate and ribbons on it is difficult to get them level and even. My wife takes a ruler and establishes the even line. She lines up the bottom corners closest to the buttons on that line. Then, because the shirt tapers she brings the outside bottom corners up slightly so each item slants down slightly towards the center. When put on, the taper brings the "high side" down, making them both level.
Oh, and a lot of my female cadets have noted that the "princess cut" blues shirts are a whole lot easier to deal with. They don't like the tuck in shirts because their pants taper towards the top and they say it looks awkward. The princess cut shirts are more expensive, but there is less to worry about in terms of keeping gig-line aligned, etc.
Thank you again. I do also have a princess cut shirt, it is a lot better. The other shirts offten, as my old Flight Commander notted, 'Made me Look Poofy' so the princess cut shirt helps. And ill be sure to use the tip you told me as well. ill write it down in fact in my book as well. Thank you.
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 09:38:36 PM
Thank you again. I do also have a princess cut shirt, it is a lot better. The other shirts offten, as my old Flight Commander notted, 'Made me Look Poofy' so the princess cut shirt helps. And ill be sure to use the tip you told me as well. ill write it down in fact in my book as well. Thank you.
Start off by going through CAPM 39-1 and the various ICL's. Read them, understand them, and if you have any questions, ask specifics.
You'll find in CAP there's a lot of uniform myths and legends. The best way to get through these is to read the manual.
My boots look nothing like yours, they have a wierd leatehr on them. The only way i can get them to shine with with the liquid shoe shine polish.(http://i47.tinypic.com/2nvwcy0.jpg)
Try saddlesoap and rubbing alcohol. Strip the boots down to the leather, and then start from there.
I did this to my boots at work when I first got them, and now I just occasionally have to buff them to keep them looking good.
The problem might be the inherent leather texture. It looks like there's a small pebble grain finish there. If so, there's only so much you can do. The method above will still be your best bet for achieving any sort of acceptable shine.
Scrub them with saddle soap, and them let them dry completely. This may take a day or two, so don't try to start this two days before you need them at an event. Use a stiff bristle brush, and make sure you get all the soap residue off. Then go to work with your polish. The 15 minute drying time is important. Don't get impatient. Rubbing alcohol doesn't do a lot, IMHO, but it might help remove the liquid polish.
Good luck.
A trick I heard somewhere on this forum is that you can scotch-guard your blues ribbons, service coat, and blues pants (maybe your flight cap also). The idea is, the scotch-guard creates a barrier that will resist weathering and dirty hands(for the ribbons). However, I have never used scotch guard so I cannot say definitively that it would work. If someone knows something different about scotch-guard, fell free to let me know.
UPDATE: Read below post.
;)
BTW I would not recomend starching anything polyester (blues pants, service coat). My HG commander says it will ruin the fabric.
Also, windex will shiny up Corfams if you have 'em. Otherwise, leathers will take some elbow greage to shine, but it's worth it.
Brasso will take care of any metal insignia, pins, etc...
BDU's will look great after a simple steam press, and use a hem stitch for patches so the thread doesnt show.
Trouser blousing bands will make blousing your pants a whole lot easier.
If you want a sharp-looking BDU hat, then get a hat shaper that goes around the inside of the hat.
NOT recommended for ribbons. It can make the colors bleed.
It doesn't hurt to launder/dry-clean your uniforms once in a while. The fabric lasts longer, and the grime doesn't become embedded.
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 09:51:33 PM
My boots look nothing like yours, they have a wierd leatehr on them. The only way i can get them to shine with with the liquid shoe shine polish.
Do they come with a tag that says "DO NOT POLISH"? They look like ICBs.
If you're spending 5 hours shining your boots, you need to find better ways to occupy your time.
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments.
Well, unless you are literally only indoors for less than a minute, you should be stowing your BDU cover in your pockets. Even if you go inside to use the bathroom, it should be stowed.
I could show you pics of the soldiers here at the base I am on in Iraq, and none of their covers look "tall and proud", they are all crunkled from being stowed in their pockets - and that's the way it's supposed to be.
"Crunkled" - one of my ten most favorite words! :clap:
Of course, you could do what we used to do. Wear it for the summer, and the sweat just makes it stay. Stow it, pull it out, straighten it, and you're good to go again.
Not recommended if you want a good smelling patrol cap.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on June 09, 2010, 01:21:05 PM
Of course, you could do what we used to do. Wear it for the summer, and the sweat just makes it stay. Stow it, pull it out, straighten it, and you're good to go again.
Not recommended if you want a good smelling patrol cap.
Yeah, and all those salt stains look good too. ;D
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Don't let these guys rag you on the hat. For some reason every single time someone mentions starch and BDU in the same sentence they get all twisted. I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to.
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
While it was mostly due to a buildup of dirt and old repeated applications of sweat rather than starch, in basic I was actually complimented by a random TI about the shape of my hat that came from years of practice as a cadet years ago.
Take pride in yourself, your uniform, and what it represents and don't let anybody kill that. It'll help you later in life, I guarantee it.
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Don't let these guys rag you on the hat. For some reason every single time someone mentions starch and BDU in the same sentence they get all twisted. I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to.
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
While it was mostly due to a buildup of dirt and old repeated applications of sweat rather than starch, in basic I was actually complimented by a random TI about the shape of my hat that came from years of practice as a cadet years ago.
Take pride in yourself, your uniform, and what it represents and don't let anybody kill that. It'll help you later in life, I guarantee it.
UTILITY uniform. No starch. Says so right on the tag. You want to look sharp? Wear a dress uniform. If you properly care for the uniform it looks pretty good with only very minor ironing.
Quote from: davidsinn on June 09, 2010, 11:07:34 PM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Don't let these guys rag you on the hat. For some reason every single time someone mentions starch and BDU in the same sentence they get all twisted. I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to.
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
While it was mostly due to a buildup of dirt and old repeated applications of sweat rather than starch, in basic I was actually complimented by a random TI about the shape of my hat that came from years of practice as a cadet years ago.
Take pride in yourself, your uniform, and what it represents and don't let anybody kill that. It'll help you later in life, I guarantee it.
UTILITY uniform. No starch. Says so right on the tag. You want to look sharp? Wear a dress uniform. If you properly care for the uniform it looks pretty good with only very minor ironing.
I couldnt have said it better myself :clap:.
BTW a steam press is better than a heat press.
Quote from: davidsinn on June 09, 2010, 11:07:34 PM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Don't let these guys rag you on the hat. For some reason every single time someone mentions starch and BDU in the same sentence they get all twisted. I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to.
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
While it was mostly due to a buildup of dirt and old repeated applications of sweat rather than starch, in basic I was actually complimented by a random TI about the shape of my hat that came from years of practice as a cadet years ago.
Take pride in yourself, your uniform, and what it represents and don't let anybody kill that. It'll help you later in life, I guarantee it.
UTILITY uniform. No starch. Says so right on the tag. You want to look sharp? Wear a dress uniform. If you properly care for the uniform it looks pretty good with only very minor ironing.
I prefer to look sharp in every uniform. Guess I'm different that way.
This was written some time ago by CMS Chiafos, USAF Ret. It is in need of an update, but there are many things still quite relavant.
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on June 10, 2010, 01:17:36 AM
This was written some time ago by CMS Chiafos, USAF Ret. It is in need of an update, but there are many things still quite relavant.
Bravo, good man. This is just what I needed! :clap: :clap: :clap:
However, i would use Brasso instead of car wax ??? on my metal stuffs...
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on June 10, 2010, 01:17:36 AM
This was written some time ago by CMS Chiafos, USAF Ret. It is in need of an update, but there are many things still quite relavant.
The one thing I learned from that a couple of years ago was how to fix your ribbons. I still cut the prongs off of my attachments and glue them to the ribbons now to keep from jacking them up. And I never use the metal ribbon holders... plastic only.
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
And starched BDU's shine so nicely under night vision goggles!!! Put everyone in a dark field and I can find Jaybird512 first I'd wager! ;)
Quote from: snpotratz on June 10, 2010, 02:30:48 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
And starched BDU's shine so nicely under night vision goggles!!! Put everyone in a dark field and I can find Jaybird512 first I'd wager! ;)
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
The prohibition against using starch was because the starch was supposed to increase the heat signature of the uniforms,. The prohibition against using starch was revoked many years ago.
I recommed removing all insignia from the blue uniforms after each wear. The weight of the badges, ribbons, etc do pull on the uniform. When you remove the items put them in a box so that they're all together and don't migrate all around the house. (I wouldn't use a plastic bag, in areas of high humidity, you may trap moisture in a sealed bag.)
Once ribbons are exposed to snow/rain once, it's time for new ones!
Quote from: snpotratz on June 10, 2010, 02:30:48 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
And starched BDU's shine so nicely under night vision goggles!!! Put everyone in a dark field and I can find Jaybird512 first I'd wager! ;)
Which is a plus with regard to the missions we perform!
Where do I get NOD's?
Please people, we are not a combat arms organization, knock it off.
Quote from: snpotratz on June 10, 2010, 02:30:48 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
And starched BDU's shine so nicely under night vision goggles!!! Put everyone in a dark field and I can find Jaybird512 first I'd wager! ;)
That's not a concern for us but it does trap body heat in hot weather. Plus it wears out the fabric quicker.
Quote from: snpotratz on June 10, 2010, 02:30:48 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
And starched BDU's shine so nicely under night vision goggles!!! Put everyone in a dark field and I can find Jaybird512 first I'd wager! ;)
My starched set wouldn't normally make it into the field but I'm willing to bet that the bright orange reflective vest coupled with the smurf blue nametags and insignia would give me away. Not a very bright response.
Quote from: davidsinn on June 10, 2010, 02:47:03 AM
Quote from: snpotratz on June 10, 2010, 02:30:48 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
And starched BDU's shine so nicely under night vision goggles!!! Put everyone in a dark field and I can find Jaybird512 first I'd wager! ;)
That's not a concern for us but it does trap body heat in hot weather. Plus it wears out the fabric quicker.
Lucky for me I stay in shape, and I've had the same set of BDUs that I've worn regulary for years... No more wear and tear than normal I'm happy to say.
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Don't let these guys rag you on the hat. For some reason every single time someone mentions starch and BDU in the same sentence they get all twisted. I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to.
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
While it was mostly due to a buildup of dirt and old repeated applications of sweat rather than starch, in basic I was actually complimented by a random TI about the shape of my hat that came from years of practice as a cadet years ago.
Take pride in yourself, your uniform, and what it represents and don't let anybody kill that. It'll help you later in life, I guarantee it.
Thanks, I can see that alot of people really hate starch. But, for me it works too, no on every says anythign against my hat, and i dont liek putting it in my pocket either. And when i do, ive onyl done it once it got a nice crease in the top but with a quick splash of starch it was gone.
Again Thanks.
Quote from: snpotratz on June 10, 2010, 02:30:48 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
And starched BDU's shine so nicely under night vision goggles!!! Put everyone in a dark field and I can find Jaybird512 first I'd wager! ;)
You guys really are just.. well i wont say it but you know what I meen. Also saying this on a ladys post, very well thought of guys. ;)
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 10, 2010, 02:59:28 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Don't let these guys rag you on the hat. For some reason every single time someone mentions starch and BDU in the same sentence they get all twisted. I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to.
When I was a cadet I always starched my hat and my uniforms... still do as a senior. Had them do extra super heavy starch from the cleaners and did my own hat as well. To me nothing looks sloppier than someone who looks like they crawled out of bed in their uniform and strolled into a meeting. It also looks sloppy to the public too.
While it was mostly due to a buildup of dirt and old repeated applications of sweat rather than starch, in basic I was actually complimented by a random TI about the shape of my hat that came from years of practice as a cadet years ago.
Take pride in yourself, your uniform, and what it represents and don't let anybody kill that. It'll help you later in life, I guarantee it.
Thanks, I can see that alot of people really hate starch. But, for me it works too, no on every says anythign against my hat, and i dont liek putting it in my pocket either. And when i do, ive onyl done it once it got a nice crease in the top but with a quick splash of starch it was gone.
Again Thanks.
No problem. Stay sharp.
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 10, 2010, 02:51:11 AM
My starched set wouldn't normally make it into the field but I'm willing to bet that the bright orange reflective vest coupled with the smurf blue nametags and insignia would give me away. Not a very bright response.
Perhaps not, but you'll have bright BDUs!
Sheesh people, don't take things too seriously. Apparently some haven't been on a night SAREX in the mountains.
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Don't let these guys rag you on the hat. For some reason every single time someone mentions starch and BDU in the same sentence they get all twisted. I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to.
You should rephrase that: " I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to comply with that regulation."
Great example you're setting. Tell us, which regulations do you consider optional and which ones do you follow?
Quote from: SarDragon on June 09, 2010, 02:11:49 AM
NOT recommended for ribbons. It can make the colors bleed.
It doesn't hurt to launder/dry-clean your uniforms once in a while. The fabric lasts longer, and the grime doesn't become embedded.
I've never had that happen with Scotch-Guard...I've had pretty good luck with it, though of course as long as you don't go overboard.
It costs a bit, but I always have my blues professionally laundered and pressed.
The problem isn't the starch, its that some people overuse it. When I was a cadet, I would go through a can a month or more for no real good reason. Your uniform isn't suppose to stand up on its own. That's not the military way, its not how'd you'd dress in equvilent civilian clothes. A little light starch on the creases and pockets is best. I use start occassionally on my work uniform just on the sleeve creases.
Also, make sure that when you bring your uniform to the tailor to get the patches put on, bring a copy of the page from 39-1 that shows the placement.
Buy a sewing gauge.
Quote from: JoeTomasone on June 10, 2010, 06:25:09 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Don't let these guys rag you on the hat. For some reason every single time someone mentions starch and BDU in the same sentence they get all twisted. I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to.
You should rephrase that: " I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to comply with that regulation."
Great example you're setting. Tell us, which regulations do you consider optional and which ones do you follow?
Seriously? I guess someone will have to just "2B" me then.
"Why'd you get kicked out of CAP?"
"Well, I wouldn't put my hat in my pocket so they had to let me go...".
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 10, 2010, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: JoeTomasone on June 10, 2010, 06:25:09 AM
Quote from: jaybird512 on June 09, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
Well in our Squadron no one ever puts their covers in their pockets, were outside most the time and when we are inside we are only in for a few moments. So it works for us. Also I got that from a man who was in the army for 20+ years. Todays the first time im testing it, so ill get back to you on that.
Don't let these guys rag you on the hat. For some reason every single time someone mentions starch and BDU in the same sentence they get all twisted. I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to.
You should rephrase that: " I've never balled up my hat in my pocket and I never plan to comply with that regulation."
Great example you're setting. Tell us, which regulations do you consider optional and which ones do you follow?
Seriously? I guess someone will have to just "2B" me then.
"Why'd you get kicked out of CAP?"
"Well, I wouldn't put my hat in my pocket so they had to let me go...".
Agreed, Just cus you don't put your hat in your pocket doesn't meen your gonna get kicked out, No need for CAPF 50 or anything, its just preference. A lot of cadets in my Squadron don't like to put their hats away, it just waists time to have to stop and shove it in your pocket then fight to get it back out when we go back outside. Its an inconvenience, and we get yelled out when we don't almost run outside when told to get out for flight time.
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 10, 2010, 09:15:49 PMAgreed, Just because you don't put your hat in your pocket doesn't mean you're gonna get kicked out. No need for CAPF 50 or anything, its just preference. A lot of cadets in my Squadron don't like to put their hats away, it just wastes time to have to stop and shove it in your pocket then fight to get it back out when we go back outside. Its an inconvenience, and we get yelled at when we don't almost run outside when told to get out for flight time.
It was a sarcastic joke methinks.
The spirit of it is correct through. Not everyone who breaks small rules breaks big rules, but everyone who breaks big rules breaks the small ones too.
Quote from: JThemann on June 10, 2010, 11:58:01 AM
The problem isn't the starch, its that some people overuse it. When I was a cadet, I would go through a can a month or more for no real good reason. Your uniform isn't suppose to stand up on its own. That's not the military way, its not how'd you'd dress in equvilent civilian clothes. A little light starch on the creases and pockets is best. I use start occassionally on my work uniform just on the sleeve creases.
Also, make sure that when you bring your uniform to the tailor to get the patches put on, bring a copy of the page from 39-1 that shows the placement.
Buy a sewing gauge.
Or, even better, if there's a sewing machine at your residence, learn how to use it. ;)
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 10, 2010, 09:15:49 PM
Agreed, Just cus you don't put your hat in your pocket doesn't meen your gonna get kicked out, No need for CAPF 50 or anything, its just preference. A lot of cadets in my Squadron don't like to put their hats away, it just waists time to have to stop and shove it in your pocket then fight to get it back out when we go back outside. Its an inconvenience, and we get yelled out when we don't almost run outside when told to get out for flight time.
It's not preference, it's regulation. And following ALL of the regulations is not a choice, it's a requirement. While failing to adhere to every single regulation may not be 2B-worthy, intentionally doing so speaks volumes about your integrity.
It takes all of 3 seconds to stow the patrol cap, and maybe 5 seconds to pull it back out...
But what do I know, I only did it all the time for 5 years of active cadet participation...
Quote from: JoeTomasone on June 11, 2010, 04:30:28 AM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 10, 2010, 09:15:49 PM
Agreed, Just cus you don't put your hat in your pocket doesn't meen your gonna get kicked out, No need for CAPF 50 or anything, its just preference. A lot of cadets in my Squadron don't like to put their hats away, it just waists time to have to stop and shove it in your pocket then fight to get it back out when we go back outside. Its an inconvenience, and we get yelled out when we don't almost run outside when told to get out for flight time.
It's not preference, it's regulation. And following ALL of the regulations is not a choice, it's a requirement. While failing to adhere to every single regulation may not be 2B-worthy, intentionally doing so speaks volumes about your integrity.
I think that takes it too far, the same could be said that you lack professionalism because you don't mind a wrinkled crushed hat on your head after taken out of your trouser pocket. Let's not make this into an issue of morals, planes fly and put bombs on target everyday in our air force and chances are some of those people might have their sleeves rolled up a little in the cockpits or dont zipper their flightsuit pockets all the way. Doesn't mean they lack integrity.
It's a working uniform. If it's clean, fits properly, and is in good repair, then it should be acceptable.
Quote from: JoeTomasone on June 11, 2010, 04:30:28 AM
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 10, 2010, 09:15:49 PM
Agreed, Just cus you don't put your hat in your pocket doesn't meen your gonna get kicked out, No need for CAPF 50 or anything, its just preference. A lot of cadets in my Squadron don't like to put their hats away, it just waists time to have to stop and shove it in your pocket then fight to get it back out when we go back outside. Its an inconvenience, and we get yelled out when we don't almost run outside when told to get out for flight time.
It's not preference, it's regulation. And following ALL of the regulations is not a choice, it's a requirement. While failing to adhere to every single regulation may not be 2B-worthy, intentionally doing so speaks volumes about your integrity.
The fact that I'm still being civil about this instead of twisting off should speak even more about me because that's absolutely ridiculous.
Call me crazy but that kind of thinking does not work in real life. Let's say, as a cop, I see a car speeding one mile over the speed limit. Are all drivers required to follow the laws of their state all the time? Sure, but there has to be discretion in the enforcement of those laws. I could pull that person over and write them a ticket, by law, but I would never do that. The application of the law is just as important as the written law itself and it wouldn't last very long with me being that much of a...... well, let's just say that wouldn't work.
It's called discretion and I have it for a reason.
Quote from: SarDragon on June 11, 2010, 06:47:38 AM
It's a working uniform. If it's clean, fits properly, and is in good repair, then it should be acceptable.
I agree. That would meet the mere standard of acceptability.
Greetings gentlemen,
It is apparent that none of you are from the entire wing of Missouri. I just sent my BDU blouse in to have to pockets sewn shut.
I always iron and starch because, its required.
Could you please provide a citation to anything official in writing to back up your claim.
BTW, it's sewn, not sown. We're talking about thread skills, not pitching seed on the ground.
I have heard there was a wing supplement floating around here somewhere no luck on mocap website
Editted: to change the post from encampment to wing.
OPSEC, OPSEC!
Quote from: Daniel L on June 11, 2010, 12:51:50 PM
Greetings gentlemen,
It is apparent that none of you are from the entire wing of Missouri. I just sent my BDU blouse in to have to pockets sewn shut.
I always iron and starch because, its required.
Iron yes. Light Starch, sure. Required? Cite that.
I've had my top pockets sewn down back in the day. Mainly so the buttons don't burn through with time, and they don't flap. As well as being pretty much useless.
I kept my bottom pockets whole, and it has been helpful on GT excursions.
What I think we're talking about here is the C/Doink who soaks his cover in starch, and then can use it as a signal mirror. Most of us have seen that. They can also use it as a dog bowl during rain.
Nothing wrong with a bit of starch in CAP to make sure creases stay/hat can be straightened out AFTER being stowed in a side pocket.
Wash the BDUs when their dirty, iron them when they're wrinkly.
Professionally clean the blues, as was said, it's a bit more expensive but they should look sharp.
Starching BDUs sounds like a real waste of time.
Quote from: Marshalus on June 11, 2010, 02:57:54 PM
Starching BDUs sounds like a real waste of time.
Maybe, but it helps teach overall uniform care and presents a much more professional appearance. Most cadet/composite squadrons I know spend at least half their meetings in BDUs. Unless you're doing ES stuff or actually working, you'll look WAY more professional with some starch.
Quote from: Daniel L on June 11, 2010, 12:51:50 PM
Greetings gentlemen,
It is apparent that none of you are from the entire wing of Missouri. I just sent my BDU blouse in to have to pockets sewn shut.
I always iron and starch because, its required.
But.........what if you have to put something in your pockets? Sewned down pockets always look absurd. They don't look natural.
Is it a work uniform, or are you modeling it?
Quote from: JThemann on June 11, 2010, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Daniel L on June 11, 2010, 12:51:50 PM
Greetings gentlemen,
It is apparent that none of you are from the entire wing of Missouri. I just sent my BDU blouse in to have to pockets sewn shut.
I always iron and starch because, its required.
I require my cadets to carry a form 60 in their left chest pocket...
But.........what if you have to put something in your pockets? Sewned down pockets always look absurd. They don't look natural.
Is it a work uniform, or are you modeling it?
Quote from: RobertAmphibian on June 11, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
Maybe, but it helps teach overall uniform care and presents a much more professional appearance. Most cadet/composite squadrons I know spend at least half their meetings in BDUs. Unless you're doing ES stuff or actually working, you'll look WAY more professional with some starch.
Robert,
While I don't disagree with the idea of what you're saying, I do disagree that starching "presents a much more professional appearance."
I do not starch my BDUs, ever. I would guarantee you that you wouldn't be able to tell. At the end of the day, my uniform is still unwrinkled and isn't shiny or stiff.
Quote from: JThemann on June 11, 2010, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Daniel L on June 11, 2010, 12:51:50 PM
Greetings gentlemen,
It is apparent that none of you are from the entire wing of Missouri. I just sent my BDU blouse in to have to pockets sewn shut.
I always iron and starch because, its required.
But.........what if you have to put something in your pockets? Sewned down pockets always look absurd. They don't look natural.
Is it a work uniform, or are you modeling it?
Yes sir, I am modeling it. I'm on the encampments staff here so my uniform has to be perfect simply because the basics are watching.
To get your BDU cover to look right, take out any forming materials like cardboard. Then slap the cover on your thigh a few times really hard. Next slap it on your head making sure that the bottom is parallel with the ground.
bottom line:
BDUs: steam press if wrinkled, lightly starch if neccesary. Don't iron over buttons. Cut out a piece of cardboard, put it in between buttons and pocket, iron as normal. In my opinion, all pockets on the BDU should be left unsewn simply for the fact that it is a work uniform (but seriously, what are we supposed to put in the upper pockets anyway?)
Blues: have professionally cleaned/starched (I re-starch/iron just because I have an OCD-like attitude when it comes to any dress uniform). Note: don't do what I did; first time starching my blues I ended up scorching the epaulets. (soaked it in starch, put iron on highest setting, and que sizzling sound)
As far as the BDU cap goes; it doesn't have to be perfect, but it can't be overly wrinkled.
pretty simple, doesn't need to be overcomplicated.
[quote author=USNASomeDay link=topic=10749.msg196646#msg196646 date=127627408)In my opinion, all pockets on the BDU should be left unsewn simply for the fact that it is a work uniform (but seriously, what are we supposed to put in the upper pockets anyway?) [/quote]
In your upper left pocket is supposed to be a small note book. With the pen hidden inside the button flap of your blouse.
Quote from: ASchlagel on June 08, 2010, 08:17:28 PM
Hi,
I'm a uniform AIC and I'm just starting out in this job, I have gotten a few tips and have found a few things on line but i need to know tricks of the trade of Ironing, put on patches, insignias and so on. I have the job of taking three cadets every night from Zulu flight and training them on EVERYTHING uniform! I know its a big job and that's why I'm asking for a bit of help and advice! I've only been in in CAP for 8 months joining last October. So I'm still green too but my Commanders have given me the job, also i need to know stores that hold anything Supply for I'm also the Supply AIC!
Ya i have a big job, so sir's, mam's, can you please help me out?
Thank you So Much For At Least Reading This!
Cadet Senior Airmen Schlagel
Colorado Springs Cadet Squadron
RMR-CO-030
P.S. I have gotten one trick but i tried it and i think it works. get your cover and spray the whole outside with caned starch and rub it in, then put it on a coffee can or tall bowl and put it in the freezer for 2 hours then pull it out and let it sit in a cool to warm area and let it set.
Pro tip, wear your uniform to exceed the standards. It takes effort but what doesn't? Look sharp and be sharp.
Athough from your question its pretty clear your a high speed cadet. Knowing your job is paramount, but there is nothing wrong with takeing pride in your appearance.
If some people don't like it, well...
(http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad71/tellmeimaninja/hatersgonna.gif)
Quote from: manfredvonrichthofen on June 11, 2010, 04:43:50 PM
[quote author=USNASomeDay link=topic=10749.msg196646#msg196646 date=127627408)In my opinion, all pockets on the BDU should be left unsewn simply for the fact that it is a work uniform (but seriously, what are we supposed to put in the upper pockets anyway?)
In your upper left pocket is supposed to be a small note book. With the pen hidden inside the button flap of your blouse.
[/quote]
There are 10 pockets in a set of BDUs. If you must carry a notebook, carry it in a cargo pocket. There is no requirement to carry it in the top pockets. Carrying it in the upper pockets make you look lumpy, and being in eye sight will more easily catch the eye of someone who likes to correct uniforms. [/quote]
Quote from: USNASomeDay on June 11, 2010, 04:34:46 PM
bottom line:
(but seriously, what are we supposed to put in the upper pockets anyway?)
Let's take a look at my uniform pockets. Excuse the quality, I didn't feel like dragging out the good camera and used my phone.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/davidsinn/misc/imag0036.jpg)
From the top down I have a red and a black pen in the button area. The left pocket has an F60 and 101 in a plastic bag. A mini sharpie. Rank cards I made up years ago and had laminated. A business card holder that has my IDs, F75, F60, 101, ROA-A, First aid card, Comm channel plan.
Right pocket has a notepad and a waterproof bag that fits my cell phone and contains an emergency battery to boost my phone. My phone is a Verzion HTC Touch Pro 2 so I have internet and GPS capabilities, pictures and video recording as well as voice comm and texting. My phone is normally on my belt.
You can see I carry a lot of important items at all times I'm in uniform. At the minimum you should have a writing utensil and a note pad and form 60 in your pockets. My uniform was worn and sweated in last night because we did a simulated missing person and has not been washed yet and is still sharp and professional looking even though it has never been in the same room as a can of starch.
Quote from: Cecil DP on June 11, 2010, 05:21:03 PM
Quote from: manfredvonrichthofen on June 11, 2010, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: USNASomeDay on January 17, 1974, 04:03:28 AMIn my opinion, all pockets on the BDU should be left unsewn simply for the fact that it is a work uniform (but seriously, what are we supposed to put in the upper pockets anyway?)
In your upper left pocket is supposed to be a small note book. With the pen hidden inside the button flap of your blouse.
There are 10 pockets in a set of BDUs. If you must carry a notebook, carry it in a cargo pocket. There is no requirement to carry it in the top pockets. Carrying it in the upper pockets make you look lumpy, and being in eye sight will more easily catch the eye of someone who likes to correct uniforms.
Show me where using the pockets is not allowed. I wouldn't want a notebook in the cargo pocket because it tends to get bent that way.
Quote from: Daniel L on June 11, 2010, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: JThemann on June 11, 2010, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Daniel L on June 11, 2010, 12:51:50 PM
Greetings gentlemen,
It is apparent that none of you are from the entire wing of Missouri. I just sent my BDU blouse in to have to pockets sewn shut.
I always iron and starch because, its required.
But.........what if you have to put something in your pockets? Sewned down pockets always look absurd. They don't look natural.
Is it a work uniform, or are you modeling it?
Yes sir, I am modeling it. I'm on the encampments staff here so my uniform has to be perfect simply because the basics are watching.
There's a difference between being perfect and being 'hardkewl.' Where in 39-1 does it say you have to sew you pockets down?
I personally don't believe in sewing the pockets down, but here's my solution:
Have two sets of BDUs. One you can have just for meetings where there will be a very low probability of the uniform becoming soiled, and the other for the more practical purposes such as SAR and other work where the uniform is most likely to be soiled
my 2 cents...
Quote from: Fly Boy on June 11, 2010, 06:24:36 PM
I personally don't believe in sewing the pockets down, but here's my solution:
Have two sets of BDUs. One you can have just for meetings where there will be a very low probability of the uniform becoming soiled, and the other for the more practical purposes such as SAR and other work where the uniform is most likely to be soiled
my 2 cents...
Or just wear it as intended and spend the extra money on something more important?
The high speed cadets tend to do just that, and especially with the unit having uniform items available anywhere from free at times, to $5 each piece (top, pants, boots, cover = $20 total) for example.
Then they can have one for meetings, detail, etc- and another or two for the field. When they are of the enlisted ranks it's fairly easy with the metal rank. When it becomes sewing time it becomes interesting to see which wins. :)
...usually participation rules the day.
I guess I just don't have a lot of patience for the form over function mindset. If hardkewl cadets spent half as much time on looking good and more time on understanding the concepts behind making a good looking uniform then we'd be much better off.
Quote from: RobertAmphibian on June 11, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
Quote from: Marshalus on June 11, 2010, 02:57:54 PM
Starching BDUs sounds like a real waste of time.
Maybe, but it helps teach overall uniform care and presents a much more professional appearance. Most cadet/composite squadrons I know spend at least half their meetings in BDUs. Unless you're doing ES stuff or actually working, you'll look WAY more professional with some starch.
Hm mm, sounds like a garrison troop to me.
I'm in Missouri Wing. My pockets are used all the time. Never seen where in the 39-1 it says to sew them shut. I use my breast pockets on BDU's to hold my pens while performing Scanner duties and also stow extra batteries for the GPS datalogger too. Don't want them falling out when sitting...
I use the BDU as flight uniform because I wanted to pick one uniform to make complete for $$ reasons and time...its appropriate for all CAP duties so thats what I wear. Anyways, just explaining in case some ask why I wear that in the planes. I want to be prepared to do either ground, base, or air assignments without a superman drill.
To me, a starched crispy BDU is like a shiny, clean, lifted pickup truck.
Quote from: Thunder on June 11, 2010, 09:24:05 PM
To me, a starched crispy BDU is like a shiny, clean, lifted pickup truck.
Awesome.
Quote from: Thunder on June 11, 2010, 09:24:05 PM
To me, a starched crispy BDU is like a shiny, clean, lifted pickup truck.
Much better than trying to buff out the dents and dings of a clean old Pinto.
Quote from: Thunder on June 11, 2010, 09:24:05 PM
To me, a starched crispy BDU is like a shiny, clean, lifted pickup truck.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
My detachment was ambushed by a sergeant major coming in after a 4 day patrol. We were covered with mud and sweat, our faces were green with camo, and we had 5 days of beard growth. He jumped all over us for not "looking like soldiers." Huh? We'd been out chasing bad guys, doing exactly what soldiers do. He was in a fresh set of jungle fatigues and spit-shined boots. He had on a pistol belt with a M1911A1 in the holster. We were too tired to argue and just wanted a shower and some chow. My team sergeant, however, was pissed. He said "Sergeant Major, my guys just cleaned their weapons 4 hours ago and were ready to fight. When was the last time you cleaned that pistol?" (It goes dark after that) ;)
There's a time and place for looking neat and clean and there's a time to be functional. I've never thought much of folks who sew their pockets shut. What they're saying is that they really don't ever do anything. Look good in "the rear" and make sure all your gear is functional in the field. Starch out in the woods is REALLY uncomfortable. Discomfort (more than you're going to have anyway) takes away from your ability to do your job. It's distracting. I've always kept field uniforms and garrison uniforms. Even in CAP, I never used a brand new set of BDUs for going out in the sticks. YMMV
Quote from: RobertAmphibian on June 11, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
Quote from: Marshalus on June 11, 2010, 02:57:54 PM
Starching BDUs sounds like a real waste of time.
Maybe, but it helps teach overall uniform care and presents a much more professional appearance. Most cadet/composite squadrons I know spend at least half their meetings in BDUs. Unless you're doing ES stuff or actually working, you'll look WAY more professional with some starch.
I can see your point, but my BDUs are there to be used a moments notice to perform SAR/ES missions if called upon. I keep them washed, in good functional order and ironed for a clean appearance. If CAP wants to pay for me to maintain multiple sets of of BDUs beyond the two that I have, and have some that are starched crispy and stand up on their own for use at meetings, and another set for missions, then I can let them know where to send the checks.
As it is, I have been complemented by others in my unit for my BDUs as well as members of the public.
If I'm going to be meeting an AF General (doing that Tuesday BTW), I'll do it in professionally pressed blues with starched shirts.
Quote from: Thunder on June 11, 2010, 09:24:05 PM
To me, a starched crispy BDU is like a shiny, clean, lifted pickup truck.
and with no tool box to mess up the looks.....
If you have a new-ish set of BDUs, a lot of times they'll stay wrinkle free without any starch as long as you iron. But the majority of my cadets end up with not-so-gently used uniforms that simply can not be tamed without some starch.
I don't obsess over my BDUs, and I only starch them maybe once a month. They don't need to "stand up on their own." It's really not that big a deal. All you have to do is spray a little on before you iron. Doesn't make a difference in comfort either.
And obviously ES types don't have to worry about this nearly as much as members who don't do ES.
I do ES, I love ES... GT... I do starch my BDU's. My thought is that the uniform is to be worn and shown a certain way, not only for inspections but also to show a little respect to those who wore the uniform before us. There are those who have died in this uniform, and we should show them the respect of wearing a proper uniform. Properly fitting, and properly prepared. If you think about it, the proper wear and appearance of your uniform can be easily tied to customs.
Quote from: davidsinn on June 11, 2010, 07:27:37 PM
I guess I just don't have a lot of patience for the form over function mindset. If hardkewl cadets spent half as much time on looking good and more time on understanding the concepts behind making a good looking uniform then we'd be much better off.
Thread, ATTEN-HUT!
There's an officer with vision, purpose, and a *point* on deck.
As a current cadet, I completely agree. I would rather have a cadet with Core Values, Cadet Oath, and current job description memorized than a Super Starch Warrior who forgot the name of their current rank/corresponding ribbon.
Emphasis mine.
Quote from: DakRadz on June 12, 2010, 03:24:03 AM
Quote from: davidsinn on June 11, 2010, 07:27:37 PM
I guess I just don't have a lot of patience for the form over function mindset. If hardkewl cadets spent half as much time on looking good and more time on understanding the concepts behind making a good looking uniform then we'd be much better off.
Thread, ATTEN-HUT!
There's an officer with vision, purpose, and a *point* on deck.
As a current cadet, I completely agree. I would rather have a cadet with Core Values, Cadet Oath, and current job description memorized than a Super Starch Warrior who forgot the name of their current rank/corresponding ribbon.
Emphasis mine.
I agree with your post, but I don't mean to be negative, it's
TENCH-HUT!
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 12, 2010, 03:38:04 AM
Quote from: DakRadz on June 12, 2010, 03:24:03 AM
Quote from: davidsinn on June 11, 2010, 07:27:37 PM
I guess I just don't have a lot of patience for the form over function mindset. If hardkewl cadets spent half as much time on looking good and more time on understanding the concepts behind making a good looking uniform then we'd be much better off.
Thread, ATTEN-HUT!
There's an officer with vision, purpose, and a *point* on deck.
As a current cadet, I completely agree. I would rather have a cadet with Core Values, Cadet Oath, and current job description memorized than a Super Starch Warrior who forgot the name of their current rank/corresponding ribbon.
Emphasis mine.
I agree with your post, but I don't mean to be negative, it's TENCH-HUT!
Hehehe. Check the siggy. I'm prior Navy JROTC cadet- I gladly submit that I am incorrect, but my two retired USAF instructors haven't stopped me ^_^ All the CAP and JROTC cadets say TENCH-HUT, so I'm not teaching incorrectly.
EDIT: That would also be the reasoning behind my using "officer on deck" as opposed to in the thread/etc.
Quote from: DakRadz on June 12, 2010, 03:24:03 AM
As a current cadet, I completely agree. I would rather have a cadet with Core Values, Cadet Oath, and current job description memorized than a Super Starch Warrior who forgot the name of their current rank/corresponding ribbon.
As a current cadet, I realize the two are not mutually exclusive. You can have a great uniform and have a good understanding of knowledge and concepts.
Quote from: manfredvonrichthofen on June 12, 2010, 03:18:19 AM
I do starch my BDU's. My thought is that the uniform is to be worn and shown a certain way, not only for inspections but also to show a little respect to those who wore the uniform before us. There are those who have died in this uniform, and we should show them the respect of wearing a proper uniform.
I think very few of them died wearing a starched uniform unless they were in the Pentagon when it was bombed. Uniforms need to be worn according to the regulations - not some individual's idea of what looks cool...
Quote from: RobertAmphibian on June 12, 2010, 04:13:52 AM
Quote from: DakRadz on June 12, 2010, 03:24:03 AM
As a current cadet, I completely agree. I would rather have a cadet with Core Values, Cadet Oath, and current job description memorized than a Super Starch Warrior who forgot the name of their current rank/corresponding ribbon.
As a current cadet, I realize the two are not mutually exclusive. You can have a great uniform and have a good understanding of knowledge and concepts.
Very true. We were discussing the extreme ends, however. Not the ideal cadet. And many cadets do get wrapped up in the uniform's look at some point, then straightens out. But I was talking extreme polarizations.
No they weren't wearing a starched uniform, but we do pay a bit of respect by wearing it properly and neatly.
Quote from: manfredvonrichthofen on June 12, 2010, 06:16:21 AM
No they weren't wearing a starched uniform, but we do pay a bit of respect by wearing it properly and neatly.
Exactly. Not some absurd toy soldier parody, but properly and neatly.
To the cadets who sew their pockets down, I ask this. If you're on encampment staff, and a cadet hasn't sewn down their pockets, are they wrong? What if they don't have creases sew into their pants? Sure, its not strickly kosher with the regs, but it looks good, right?
I wear a utility uniform to work. Should I sew my pockets down? I'm in the public eye constantly, and my apperance needs to inspire confidence in my patients, family, coworkers, and fellow emergency services dudes. Does sewing my pockets down do that?
Are your cadets going to think "Man, that SNCO really knows his stuff!" Or "Man, that guy doesn't know how to take care of his uniform so he takes shortcuts."
What about the regular military guys? How many of them sew down their pockets? Are they wrong? And Lord help those Army guys, guess they have to spot weld the zippers of their ACU shirts down.
As you get old, you start to realize what the important parts of the cadet program are. CAP taught me how to study. It taught me how to iron. It taught me the importance of saying "sir" "ma'am" and "please." It taught me how to read formal manuals and instructions.
The uniform stuff, the drill and ceremonies stuff, are important in context. However, a starched patrol cap won't get you into the school you want, and sewing the pockets down of your dress shirt won't get you much more then odd looks during an interview.
Quote from: DakRadz on June 12, 2010, 04:02:50 AM
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 12, 2010, 03:38:04 AM
Quote from: DakRadz on June 12, 2010, 03:24:03 AM
Quote from: davidsinn on June 11, 2010, 07:27:37 PM
I guess I just don't have a lot of patience for the form over function mindset. If hardkewl cadets spent half as much time on looking good and more time on understanding the concepts behind making a good looking uniform then we'd be much better off.
Thread, ATTEN-HUT!
There's an officer with vision, purpose, and a *point* on deck.
As a current cadet, I completely agree. I would rather have a cadet with Core Values, Cadet Oath, and current job description memorized than a Super Starch Warrior who forgot the name of their current rank/corresponding ribbon.
Emphasis mine.
I agree with your post, but I don't mean to be negative, it's TENCH-HUT!
Hehehe. Check the siggy. I'm prior Navy JROTC cadet- I gladly submit that I am incorrect, but my two retired USAF instructors haven't stopped me ^_^ All the CAP and JROTC cadets say TENCH-HUT, so I'm not teaching incorrectly.
EDIT: That would also be the reasoning behind my using "officer on deck" as opposed to in the thread/etc.
As long as your cadets don't get it wrong, I really dont have a problem with it. I like the Officer on deck thing you did though.
;)
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 12, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
As long as your cadets don't get it wrong, I really dont have a problem with it. I like the Officer on deck thing you did though.
;)
:-[ :-\ >:( :P :'(
Just realized that if I'm ever to be encampment staff, go to the Honor Guard Academy, or any other Activity outside the home squadron... It's got to be
ATTEN, erm, TENCH-HUT!
Anyway, a little starch can be okay (I've used it) but not when excessive. I recall thinking the starch just made my ironing job more difficult without improving upon my prior appearance.
Quote from: DakRadz on June 12, 2010, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 12, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
As long as your cadets don't get it wrong, I really dont have a problem with it. I like the Officer on deck thing you did though.
;)
:-[ :-\ >:( :P :'(
Just realized that if I'm ever to be encampment staff, go to the Honor Guard Academy, or any other Activity outside the home squadron... It's got to be ATTEN, erm, TENCH-HUT!
Yup. Better study the D&C manual!
Found this through Google:
http://natcapwg.cap.gov/files/File/CAPuniforms_GorillaGuide.pdf
Quote from: Nathan on June 12, 2010, 07:42:47 PM
Found this through Google:
http://natcapwg.cap.gov/files/File/CAPuniforms_GorillaGuide.pdf
There's a 3rd version out...
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 12, 2010, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 12, 2010, 07:42:47 PM
Found this through Google:
http://natcapwg.cap.gov/files/File/CAPuniforms_GorillaGuide.pdf
Theres a 3rd version out...
Linkage, perhaps, oh great Staffie?
Quote from: DakRadz on June 12, 2010, 08:05:46 PM
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 12, 2010, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 12, 2010, 07:42:47 PM
Found this through Google:
http://natcapwg.cap.gov/files/File/CAPuniforms_GorillaGuide.pdf
There's a 3rd version out...
Linkage, perhaps, oh great Staffie?
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=10749.msg196464#msg196464
:-[
I knew I'd seen that link somewhere. Seems I have Short Term Memory Loss.
Textbook example of why you read the thread before posting- and RETAIN what you read.
Quote from: DakRadz on June 12, 2010, 08:45:31 PM
:-[
I knew I'd seen that link somewhere. Seems I have Short Term Memory Loss.
Textbook example of why you read the thread before posting- and RETAIN what you read.
Ah, don't worry about it. I have STML all the time, and it drives me nuts. ;)
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 12, 2010, 08:56:29 PMAh, don't worry about it. I have STML all the time, and it drives me nuts. ;)
No, that's known as CRS - Can't Remember [Stuff]. ;)
Quote from: SarDragon on June 12, 2010, 09:32:25 PM
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 12, 2010, 08:56:29 PMAh, don't worry about it. I have STML all the time, and it drives me nuts. ;)
No, that's known as CRS - Can't Remember [Stuff]. ;)
LOL :clap: :clap: :clap: >:D
I think everyone can agree that the uniform should be worn with pride. That means at least iron your uniform, if you can't get it to look good without starch then use it. My personal preference is to use starch, if not yours then don't so long as you can get the pockets to lay mostly flat. Just remember you are also giving your community the image of your unit and CAP as a whole with the way you wear your uniform. The better it looks the better the image you portray.
Quote from: manfredvonrichthofen on June 12, 2010, 10:47:10 PM
I think everyone can agree that the uniform should be worn with pride. That means at least iron your uniform, if you can't get it to look good without starch then use it. My personal preference is to use starch, if not yours then don't so long as you can get the pockets to lay mostly flat. Just remember you are also giving your community the image of your unit and CAP as a whole with the way you wear your uniform. The better it looks the better the image you portray.
That makes perfect sense actually... :)