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Started by cap235629, June 09, 2008, 03:02:55 PM

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cap235629

20 or so years ago when I was in High School I had a friend who I was in JROTC with who was also a CAP cadet with the TewMac composite squadron in Tewksbury Massachusetts.  I remember him showing me a CAP uniform that included a Kilt.  IIRC it was an honor guard uniform of some type or possibly a color guard uniform.

This memory was recently jogged when I was reading another thread.  I DO NOT wish to get into discussions about any issues people have with other wings, I am just curious if anyone remembers anything like this and if they recall what tartan it was or anything else really

Thanks!
Bill Hobbs, Major, CAP
Arkansas Certified Emergency Manager
Tabhair 'om póg, is Éireannach mé

Tubacap

A friend of mine, who was a TACO with me several years ago, would always wear a kilt after hours.  But that wasn't in uniform.  Fairly frightening if I do remember, although I try not to.
William Schlosser, Major CAP
NER-PA-001

proveritas

You gotta be careful about those kilts. They can cause lasting psycological trauma.  >:D


Definitely not CAPR 39-1 approved anyway...  :P
Hannah

Cecil DP

Quote from: cap235629 on June 09, 2008, 03:02:55 PM
20 or so years ago when I was in High School I had a friend who I was in JROTC with who was also a CAP cadet with the TewMac composite squadron in Tewksbury Massachusetts.  I remember him showing me a CAP uniform that included a Kilt.  IIRC it was an honor guard uniform of some type or possibly a color guard uniform.

This memory was recently jogged when I was reading another thread.  I DO NOT wish to get into discussions about any issues people have with other wings, I am just curious if anyone remembers anything like this and if they recall what tartan it was or anything else really

Thanks!

The Commander of that unit was fired and the squadron nearly dissolved due to some of the things going on there.
Michael P. McEleney
LtCol CAP
MSG  USA Retired
GRW#436 Feb 85

afgeo4

Now if we had an official Fife and Drum team...

It'd be cool to wear a dark blue kilt with the mess dress top.
GEORGE LURYE

ColonelJack

Quote from: proveritas on June 09, 2008, 04:25:35 PM
You gotta be careful about those kilts. They can cause lasting psycological trauma.  >:D

Now, now ... I wear a kilt regularly and have had absolutely no lasting trauma.  (And I get quite a few wolf whistles from the ladies, too!!)

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Definitely not CAPR 39-1 approved anyway...  :P

Agreed.  But then, I have worn a kilt with the mess dress jacket on a couple of occasions (I know it's not kosher; I'm retired...what're they gonna do, fire me?) and I think it looks great.  Here ... I'll show you.  As I said before, getting the kilt is not difficult.  Getting the beautiful woman to stand with -- that's your department.

Jack
Jack Bagley, Ed. D.
Lt. Col., CAP (now inactive)
Gill Robb Wilson Award No. 1366, 29 Nov 1991
Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska
Honorary Admiral, Navy of the Republic of Molossia

RRLE

I missed the other thread so if these links are duplicates I'm sorry.

Kilt photos in bottom row


MIKE

CAP members and kilts... It figures I guess.  ::)
Mike Johnston

PA Guy

Quote from: cap235629 on June 09, 2008, 03:02:55 PM
This memory was recently jogged when I was reading another thread.  I DO NOT wish to get into discussions about any issues people have with other wings, I am just curious if anyone remembers anything like this and if they recall what tartan it was or anything else really

Must have been something brewed up on a local level.  I don't recall anything like that being authorized on a natl. level.  I did see someone wear a kilt with the short sleeve blue shirt once but it wasn't in public and it certainly wasn't authorized.

D2SK

It's a guy in a skirt.  No matter how you cut it, it's a guy in a skirt.  It looks silly without a uniform top...it looks absolutely ridiculous with one.

Why on earth would you wear one?
Lighten up, Francis.

Major Carrales

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Quote from: D2SK on June 09, 2008, 06:41:01 PM
It's a guy in a skirt.  No matter how you cut it, it's a guy in a skirt.  It looks silly without a uniform top...it looks absolutely ridiculous with one.

Why on earth would you wear one?

Well, why do we wear BDUs, a BATTLE/COMBAT UTILITY UNIFORM in the peacetime domestic setting?   Why wear a four pocket tunic that you aren't supposed to put things in the pockets of?  Why do we wear a "tie" at all with anything?  Why?

The answer is that it is traditional.  There are lots of thing that don't make much sense when viewed in a vaccuum.  You have to know the history and tradition for it to make sense.
"We have been given the power to change CAP, let's keep the momentum going!"

Major Joe Ely "Sparky" Carrales, CAP
Commander
Coastal Bend Cadet Squadron
SWR-TX-454

davedove

Quote from: Major Carrales on June 09, 2008, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: D2SK on June 09, 2008, 06:41:01 PM
It's a guy in a skirt.  No matter how you cut it, it's a guy in a skirt.  It looks silly without a uniform top...it looks absolutely ridiculous with one.

Why on earth would you wear one?

The answer is that it is traditional.  There are lots of thing that don't make much sense when viewed in a vaccuum.  You have to know the history and tradition for it to make sense.

The Major is absolutely correct.

D2SK, there are many men who have served in the Highland regiments who have something to say to you about their "silly" uniforms.  So would many US servicemen who have served with them.  I would suggest you google Black Watch.

Do you know that each of the US Armed forces have a tartan designed for them?  Many current and former servicemen wear a kilt for formal and casual events.  Some even wear them for everyday wear.

If you don't want to wear one, that's fine.  But don't ridicule those who wear them with pride.
David W. Dove, Maj, CAP
Deputy Commander for Seniors
Personnel/PD/Asst. Testing Officer
Ground Team Leader
Frederick Composite Squadron
MER-MD-003

ColonelJack

Quote from: D2SK on June 09, 2008, 06:41:01 PM
It's a guy in a skirt.  No matter how you cut it, it's a guy in a skirt.  It looks silly without a uniform top...it looks absolutely ridiculous with one.

Why on earth would you wear one?

All kidding aside, I know several Scotsmen who'd be more than pleased to "educate" you on the difference between a kilt and a skirt.  They've been the traditional dress of Scottish men for centuries; longer, in fact, than men have worn pants/trousers.  In fact, they are uniform items for members of the British Army's Scottish Regiments.  And if one wears anything under the kilt, one is considered out of uniform.  (Yes, I know that's more than most of you wanted to know.)

Ridiculous?  If you want to see ridiculous, look around you at today's young people (thankfully not in CAP) who walk around with the beltlines of their trousers below their backsides and their underwear showing.  THAT is ridiculous.  A kilt has centuries of tradition and wear in war and peace behind it.

Why wear one?  Why not?

You ought to try one.  

Jack
Jack Bagley, Ed. D.
Lt. Col., CAP (now inactive)
Gill Robb Wilson Award No. 1366, 29 Nov 1991
Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska
Honorary Admiral, Navy of the Republic of Molossia

JayT

Quote from: proveritas on June 09, 2008, 04:25:35 PM
You gotta be careful about those kilts. They can cause lasting psycological trauma.  >:D


Definitely not CAPR 39-1 approved anyway...  :P

What's CAPR 39-1?
"Eagerness and thrill seeking in others' misery is psychologically corrosive, and is also rampant in EMS. It's a natural danger of the job. It will be something to keep under control, something to fight against."

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Quote from: JThemann on June 09, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
Quote from: proveritas on June 09, 2008, 04:25:35 PM
You gotta be careful about those kilts. They can cause lasting psycological trauma.  >:D


Definitely not CAPR 39-1 approved anyway...  :P

What's CAPR 39-1?

The uniform manual.

.pdf

JayT

Quote from: Bayhawk21 on June 09, 2008, 07:29:14 PM
Quote from: JThemann on June 09, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
Quote from: proveritas on June 09, 2008, 04:25:35 PM
You gotta be careful about those kilts. They can cause lasting psycological trauma.  >:D


Definitely not CAPR 39-1 approved anyway...  :P

What's CAPR 39-1?

The uniform manual.

.pdf

Then why is it labeled CAPM 39-1?
"Eagerness and thrill seeking in others' misery is psychologically corrosive, and is also rampant in EMS. It's a natural danger of the job. It will be something to keep under control, something to fight against."

D2SK

Sorry, didn't know you guys would get so upset when I called your dress a skirt.

;D

PS - I just want to know who is checking to see if you are out of uniform or not when you've one on.
Lighten up, Francis.

davedove

Quote from: D2SK on June 09, 2008, 07:30:43 PM
PS - I just want to know who is checking to see if you are out of uniform or not when you've one on.

A gentleman never tells! ;)
David W. Dove, Maj, CAP
Deputy Commander for Seniors
Personnel/PD/Asst. Testing Officer
Ground Team Leader
Frederick Composite Squadron
MER-MD-003

proveritas

Quote from: ColonelJack on June 09, 2008, 04:48:30 PM
Now, now ... I wear a kilt regularly and have had absolutely no lasting trauma.  (And I get quite a few wolf whistles from the ladies, too!!)

We're not talking about the WEARER of the kilt suffering lasting trauma... ;)

I gotta admit though -- it takes guts to put one on!
Hannah

proveritas

Quote from: JThemann on June 09, 2008, 07:30:28 PMThen why is it labeled CAPM 39-1?

'Scuse me... CAPM 39-1. Got me alphabet soup roiled.  :angel:
Hannah