A Cover question.

RogueLeader · January 04, 2008, 06:11:32 PM

I have heard that- in the military, Flight Caps or service caps are not worn after 18.00 hrs. Is that true? If so, do we follow that rule in CAP? If not, should we?

Just so you know, if I'm ever outside in uniform, I have a cover on.

Hawk200 · January 04, 2008, 06:14:05 PM

Don't know who you heard it from, but I've never heard of such a thing in 19 years, and across three components of service (AD Air Force, Air Guard, Army Guard).

I think someone was pulling your leg.

MIKE · January 04, 2008, 06:15:15 PM

I think you are confusing this with some semi-formal and formal uniforms that are worn to functions after 1800 that may not require headgear.

RogueLeader · January 04, 2008, 06:19:03 PM

Roger.

mikeylikey · January 04, 2008, 07:03:37 PM

You don't have to wear your service cap while in Army Blues after retreat. I would imagine that will change when the blues become the standard service dress for the Army.

lordmonar · January 04, 2008, 07:58:50 PM

Quote from: RogueLeader on January 04, 2008, 06:11:32 PM
I have heard that- in the military, Flight Caps or service caps are not worn after 18.00 hrs. Is that true? If so, do we follow that rule in CAP? If not, should we?

Just so you know, if I'm ever outside in uniform, I have a cover on.

No...that is not true.

afgeo4 · January 04, 2008, 09:35:00 PM

As said, the issue is of US Army Dress Blues uniform which does not require wear of service cap after retreat.

There is no such rule in USAF or CAP and wear of an appropriate cover is required when outside and while on detail.

AlaskanCadet · January 04, 2008, 09:57:14 PM

well, I know for sure that at some dining out/in awards that take place after 1800 you do not wear your cover.
Just from experience

JayT · January 04, 2008, 10:07:02 PM

Quote from: AlaskanCadet on January 04, 2008, 09:57:14 PM
well, I know for sure that at some dining out/in awards that take place after 1800 you do not wear your cover.
Just from experience

If you're in semi formal uniform, you don't wear a hat anyway.

afgeo4 · January 05, 2008, 08:37:56 AM

Semi-formal and Mess Dress uniforms do not have covers.

MIKE · January 06, 2008, 12:38:57 AM

Quote from: afgeo4 on January 05, 2008, 08:37:56 AM
Semi-formal and Mess Dress uniforms do not have covers.

in da Air Force.

afgeo4 · January 06, 2008, 01:13:14 AM

Quote from: MIKE on January 06, 2008, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: afgeo4 on January 05, 2008, 08:37:56 AM
Semi-formal and Mess Dress uniforms do not have covers.

in da Air Force.

or in da Civil Air Patrol, unless you have something in the regs you'd like to show us

stillamarine · January 06, 2008, 02:10:59 AM

Quote from: afgeo4 on January 06, 2008, 01:13:14 AM
Quote from: MIKE on January 06, 2008, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: afgeo4 on January 05, 2008, 08:37:56 AM
Semi-formal and Mess Dress uniforms do not have covers.

in da Air Force.

or in da Civil Air Patrol, unless you have something in the regs you'd like to show us

Well seeing as the the ORIGINAL question asked about it for the military in general, you would do good by specifying which service you speak of. Unless you have knowledge of the other services you would like to show us.

afgeo4 · January 06, 2008, 08:18:01 AM

Technically the question was referring to flight caps/service caps and I believe only USAF wears flight caps. They're called other names in other services. As such, I referred my answer to USAF regulations and how they relate to CAP.

AlphaSigOU · January 06, 2008, 02:40:16 PM

Quote from: afgeo4 on January 06, 2008, 08:18:01 AM
Technically the question was referring to flight caps/service caps and I believe only USAF wears flight caps. They're called other names in other services. As such, I referred my answer to USAF regulations and how they relate to CAP.

...garrison caps, overseas caps, 'fore-and-aft' caps, and the ever-popular name that shall not be repeated in mixec company!

Hawk200 · January 06, 2008, 06:02:36 PM

Quote from: afgeo4 on January 06, 2008, 08:18:01 AM
Technically the question was referring to flight caps/service caps and I believe only USAF wears flight caps. They're called other names in other services. As such, I referred my answer to USAF regulations and how they relate to CAP.

The Air Force only issues flight caps to most ranks as far as I know at present. Been a while since I was AD Air Force, so I'm not sure what the clothing bag is now.

However, the current Air Force Dress and Appearance instruction states that service caps are required for majors and up. Now, in reading the instruction, I don't think it states whether it's required to wear, or just required to have.

Hawk200 · January 06, 2008, 06:04:49 PM

Quote from: AlphaSigOU on January 06, 2008, 02:40:16 PM
...garrison caps, overseas caps, 'fore-and-aft' caps, and the ever-popular name that shall not be repeated in mixec company!

I've heard them called "envelope" caps a few times. Not sure where exactly the term came up, but I haven't heard it that much. The term makes sense in concept, I guess, but it just doesn't seem to work in application.

PHall · January 06, 2008, 07:09:58 PM

Quote from: AlphaSigOU on January 06, 2008, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: afgeo4 on January 06, 2008, 08:18:01 AM
Technically the question was referring to flight caps/service caps and I believe only USAF wears flight caps. They're called other names in other services. As such, I referred my answer to USAF regulations and how they relate to CAP.

...garrison caps, overseas caps, 'fore-and-aft' caps, and the ever-popular name that shall not be repeated in mixec company!

You're showing you age. You don't hear that any more, not even in Reserve units.

PHall · January 06, 2008, 07:11:41 PM

Quote from: Hawk200 on January 06, 2008, 06:02:36 PMHowever, the current Air Force Dress and Appearance instruction states that service caps are required for majors and up. Now, in reading the instruction, I don't think it states whether it's required to wear, or just required to have.

They just have to have one. Wearing it is up to the individual and their commander.