New CAPR 35-6, Operations Ratings, Awards and Badges

[Storm Chaser]

That's my point - why would a GTM1 get a star?

Is it really necessary to water this stuff down just to sell more badges?

It's really clear - GTM / GTL / GBD.  I can't imagine the point of changing it.
What they need to do is fold back the levels of GTM t the way they used to be.

They have been "giving it away" at NESA for the Advanced course for years and years and years.

No, they haven't. They've been awarding them at NESA; not the same thing.

That said, I agree with Eclipse in principle. But I have an even bigger issue with the fact that someone can go from GTM3 to GTL and from UDF to GBD (the latter really bothers me).

[winterg]

That said, I agree with Eclipse in principle. But I have an even bigger issue with the fact that someone can go from GTM3 to GTL and from UDF to GBD (the latter really bothers me).

That has always confused me as well.

[Storm Chaser]

The GBD change is recent (less that two years). Some argue that the bulk of our missions are UDF, but my counter argument is that most ELT searches don't require a GBD. I discourage it in my AOR and require that any UDF-only GBD candidate be at least an experienced UDF Team Leader before starting training. I also want them to have experience working in the Operations Section, under a GBD or OSC.

[Eclipse]

That said, I agree with Eclipse in principle. But I have an even bigger issue with the fact that someone can go from GTM3 to GTL and from UDF to GBD (the latter really bothers me).

That has always confused me as well.

+1 What does a UDF only person know about missing persons, line searches, etc., or for that
matter survival (i.e. team safety) in austere conditions, etc.

One more place where "standards" made way for "quantity".

[SarDragon]

And I also just noticed that the OLD MCs can wear the new IC badge?

What's next WWII photographers who wore the sleeve patch with the camera get
aircrew wings?

what's the point of this stuff?  How many MCs, who didn't requal into ICs, are still active
enough in CAP to care?  MC hasn't been a "thing" in CAP for what, 20 years?

MC went away after 1999, so it hasn't even been 20 years. The big changes in the ES quals started in 1993/4.

[Storm Chaser]

CAP has changed drastically in the last 15+ years. While the old MCs and the current ICs shared many roles and responsibilities, they were not the same thing. I agree that granting a badge to someone with a qualification acquired 15 or more years ago makes no sense.

[skydogjack]

I earned my Wings 15 years ago.  My blue shirts are embroided with my name and wings, even though now I'm just scanner-observer.  Does anyone really think we are expected to purchase new shirts if no longer current?  Hey, it's like in the military.  Even when I was no longer actve flight status, my wings, including my service ribbons  were mine to wear.  This all seems a bit foolish to me.  If you've earned it, it's yours to wear, as long as there's room.

[LSThiker]

I earned my Wings 15 years ago.  My blue shirts are embroided with my name and wings, even though now I'm just scanner-observer.  Does anyone really think we are expected to purchase new shirts if no longer current?  Hey, it's like in the military.  Even when I was no longer actve flight status, my wings, including my service ribbons  were mine to wear.  This all seems a bit foolish to me.  If you've earned it, it's yours to wear, as long as there's room.

Yes.  If you have earned them, you can continue to wear them even if you are no longer current. 

[Storm Chaser]

I earned my Wings 15 years ago.  My blue shirts are embroided with my name and wings, even though now I'm just scanner-observer.  Does anyone really think we are expected to purchase new shirts if no longer current?  Hey, it's like in the military.  Even when I was no longer actve flight status, my wings, including my service ribbons  were mine to wear.  This all seems a bit foolish to me.  If you've earned it, it's yours to wear, as long as there's room.

Yes.  If you have earned them, you can continue to wear them even if you are no longer current.

+1.  If you earned it, you can wear it regardless of currency. That said, my previous comment was referring to the Incident Commander badge being awarded to former Mission Coordinators, as allowed by the new regulation.

[TexasBEAST]

Does this fix your comment for you, SC?

CAP has changed drastically in the last 15+ years. While the old MCs and the current ICs shared many roles and responsibilities, they were not the same thing. I agree that granting a badge for one qualification to someone with a different qualification acquired 15 or more years ago makes no sense.