Military saluting CAP?

[Private Investigator]

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If your sigh is intended to indicate fatigue with this topic, I agree 100%.

Roger that sigh 

[Bulls729]

one of the most humbling experiences I have ever had was last year at our Wing Encampment.  I am required by my girth to wear BBDU's.  I did however have a high and tight and an impeccable uniform during encampment.  While we were waiting in line at the dining facility a command chief exited the facility, saw me, snapped a parade ground perfect salute and wished me a very good afternoon.  There was absolutely no way I could have been confused for a commissioned officer.  I was humbled to say the least.  I like to think that I received the salute because he respected the job I was doing.

Sir, while this could very well be the case, and in my opinion more than likely was as the Command Chief probably knew what CAP is, and did respect what you were doing since he should be aware of the CAP Encampment on his Base. I would like to point out that he may mis-recognized you as a member of the Coast Guard in their very similar ODU's, so in fact their could have been confusion with a commissioned Coast Guard Officer, if he just quickly overlooked the uniform.

Example

[SarDragon]

The "Civil Air Patrol" tape on our uniforms is just as readable as the "U.S. Coast Guard" tape is on theirs. Additionally, the rank insignia placement differs between the two.

[Bulls729]

The "Civil Air Patrol" tape on our uniforms is just as readable as the "U.S. Coast Guard" tape is on theirs. Additionally, the rank insignia placement differs between the two.

Sir, I did state very similar, there of course are obvious differences. Given that the name tapes are in the same color, although clearly readable. That a quick look by someone could be mistaken as such, even with the rank placement.  By no means did I intend to denounce the situation in which Capt. Hobbs was in. Just pointing out that confusion could still be had. A personal example (Although very different) from my time in the ARNG is that between a Specialist and an LTC at a good distance on the ACU look very similar, and for a bit until that said Soldier is in better viewing distance can be laughably confused as to what to do Salute wise until that last second. (In normal circumstances this is easily avoided as it would be very rare to see an 18-27 LTC)

[Eclipse]

The "Civil Air Patrol" tape on our uniforms is just as readable as the "U.S. Coast Guard" tape is on theirs. Additionally, the rank insignia placement differs between the two.

Sir, I did state very similar, there of course are obvious differences. Given that the name tapes are in the same color,

Our name tapes are not the same color.

Bill's talking about a Command Chief, not some slick-sleeve just out of boot camp.

[red_sox_fan]

I was reading a story on the Internet today about a man in the military. He was walking and a CAP colonel stopped him and told him he had to salute her. He said he was not required to because she is an auxiliary organization of the Air Force and did not actually count as being in the military.  They began to cuss each other out. Which one of them do you think was right? I personally believe the military man was correct. I believe she should had saluted him even though she out ranked him. When in that situation in both shoes, as a CAP colonel and a military man, what would you do?

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

[Eclipse]

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

No, they do not.  Not by regulation, not by custom, not in any way, shape, or form.

Time to brush up on your reading and understanding of the appropriate regulations and pamphlets.

[davidsinn]

I was reading a story on the Internet today about a man in the military. He was walking and a CAP colonel stopped him and told him he had to salute her. He said he was not required to because she is an auxiliary organization of the Air Force and did not actually count as being in the military.  They began to cuss each other out. Which one of them do you think was right? I personally believe the military man was correct. I believe she should had saluted him even though she out ranked him. When in that situation in both shoes, as a CAP colonel and a military man, what would you do?

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

No. We're civilians. Nobody in the military "out ranks" us because we're not in the military.

[red_sox_fan]

I was reading a story on the Internet today about a man in the military. He was walking and a CAP colonel stopped him and told him he had to salute her. He said he was not required to because she is an auxiliary organization of the Air Force and did not actually count as being in the military.  They began to cuss each other out. Which one of them do you think was right? I personally believe the military man was correct. I believe she should had saluted him even though she out ranked him. When in that situation in both shoes, as a CAP colonel and a military man, what would you do?

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

No. We're civilians. Nobody in the military "out ranks" us because we're not in the military.

So since were civilians i can go up to a Private in the army in a CAP uniform and spit on him? That is a definite NO. 

[lordmonar]

I was reading a story on the Internet today about a man in the military. He was walking and a CAP colonel stopped him and told him he had to salute her. He said he was not required to because she is an auxiliary organization of the Air Force and did not actually count as being in the military.  They began to cuss each other out. Which one of them do you think was right? I personally believe the military man was correct. I believe she should had saluted him even though she out ranked him. When in that situation in both shoes, as a CAP colonel and a military man, what would you do?

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

NO.  Thanks for playing.

[red_sox_fan]

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

No, they do not.  Not by regulation, not by custom, not in any way, shape, or form.

Time to brush up on your reading and understanding of the appropriate regulations and pamphlets.

You are correct. It is just what CAP does. At Least in the PA wing. Since we are civilians and they are military we act as if they are superior to us. You are correct though there is no written statement.

[Майор Хаткевич]

 So since were civilians i can go up to a Private in the army in a CAP uniform and spit on him? That is a definite NO.


Why not? What stops you from spitting on anyone? It's a free country, but there may be consequences. It's not like Army Privates are issued a force-field that protects them from spit.

[red_sox_fan]

I was reading a story on the Internet today about a man in the military. He was walking and a CAP colonel stopped him and told him he had to salute her. He said he was not required to because she is an auxiliary organization of the Air Force and did not actually count as being in the military.  They began to cuss each other out. Which one of them do you think was right? I personally believe the military man was correct. I believe she should had saluted him even though she out ranked him. When in that situation in both shoes, as a CAP colonel and a military man, what would you do?

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

NO.  Thanks for playing.

So your insisting that a Cadet Colonel would out rank lets say a captain in the army? If that's what your thinking then Sergeant you are highly wrong.

[Майор Хаткевич]

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

No, they do not.  Not by regulation, not by custom, not in any way, shape, or form.

Time to brush up on your reading and understanding of the appropriate regulations and pamphlets.

You are correct. It is just what CAP does. At Least in the PA wing. Since we are civilians and they are military we act as if they are superior to us. You are correct though there is no written statement.

Did you know, a SM WOG outranks a 20 years old C/Col? An 18 year old FO outranks a 20 year old C/Col?

[lordmonar]

I was reading a story on the Internet today about a man in the military. He was walking and a CAP colonel stopped him and told him he had to salute her. He said he was not required to because she is an auxiliary organization of the Air Force and did not actually count as being in the military.  They began to cuss each other out. Which one of them do you think was right? I personally believe the military man was correct. I believe she should had saluted him even though she out ranked him. When in that situation in both shoes, as a CAP colonel and a military man, what would you do?

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

No. We're civilians. Nobody in the military "out ranks" us because we're not in the military.

So since were civilians i can go up to a Private in the army in a CAP uniform and spit on him? That is a definite NO.

Yep...that's right.....because we are civilains we can assalt anyone we want.
Dude.......might I suggest that you just walk away from the computer for 5 days.....go outside and play...chase a squirle...do something but make yourself look even stupider here on CAPTALK.....really.

Your history of posts is just not doing you any favors....and I know that soon someone is going to use their CAP/IT Jedi skills and find out who you are and make a phone call to your commander.......and that's not going to be pretty.

[Майор Хаткевич]

I was reading a story on the Internet today about a man in the military. He was walking and a CAP colonel stopped him and told him he had to salute her. He said he was not required to because she is an auxiliary organization of the Air Force and did not actually count as being in the military.  They began to cuss each other out. Which one of them do you think was right? I personally believe the military man was correct. I believe she should had saluted him even though she out ranked him. When in that situation in both shoes, as a CAP colonel and a military man, what would you do?

As soon as someone is sworn into the armed forces they immediately out rank every CAP member. Even a private fresh out of basic training out ranks a Cadet Colonel. Simple as that

NO.  Thanks for playing.

So your insisting that a Cadet Colonel would out rank lets say a captain in the army? If that's what your thinking then Sergeant you are highly wrong.

Said C/Col doesn't outrank anyone in the military, because they are not in the same chain of command or even structure.

[Eclipse]

You are correct. It is just what CAP does. At Least in the PA wing. Since we are civilians and they are military we act as if they are superior to us. You are correct though there is no written statement.

It is not what "CAP does".  You are fundamentally misunderstanding what is happening around you.

There's a difference between fundamental respect for some one's service (whatever form it takes), and general deference to those in the military.

[red_sox_fan]

So since were civilians i can go up to a Private in the army in a CAP uniform and spit on him? That is a definite NO.


Why not? What stops you from spitting on anyone? It's a free country, but there may be consequences. It's not like Army Privates are issued a force-field that protects them from spit.

I know anyone can do anything. Whats your point though?

[red_sox_fan]

You are correct. It is just what CAP does. At Least in the PA wing. Since we are civilians and they are military we act as if they are superior to us. You are correct though there is no written statement.

It is not what "CAP does".  You are fundamentally misunderstanding what is happening around you.

There's a difference between fundamental respect for some one's service (whatever form it takes), and general deference to those in the military.

Exactly because of the position they are in we treat them as superior officers.

[Майор Хаткевич]

So since were civilians i can go up to a Private in the army in a CAP uniform and spit on him? That is a definite NO.


Why not? What stops you from spitting on anyone? It's a free country, but there may be consequences. It's not like Army Privates are issued a force-field that protects them from spit.

I know anyone can do anything. Whats your point though?

My point is that you can spit at anyone you want in a CAP uniform. There may be consequences, but they will be the same whether you spit on a C/AB, SMWOG, C/Col, MG Carr, the local bum, high school drop out, or Army General.