The end of the TPU?

[MIKE]

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[Major Carrales]

It's the TPU becuase it was presented by TP to the NEC without warning and they were told to vote on it.  Not wanting to loose thier heads (Eagles), they nodded and said "OK". 

Sounds a bit too "simplistic" to be true.  This is, after all, the United States of America and a volunteer organization; to suggest that one man "strong armed" the NEC for fear of reprisals from this man Pineda is less plausable than for the NEC to have been in true support.

The correct action by the NEC, if they had objections, was to "table" the motion...or deny a vote.

I saw the same sort on inaction, tacit approval, with the "US CIVIL AIR PATROL NAMETAPES."  If there were to have been any objections, people have got to have stood up.

I am qualified to wear the AF uniform, so I won't be jumping into the TPU.  But IMHO the dbl breasted makes the fat folks look fatter, the silver braid looks like you  work for Delta and I think the whole thing just pissed off the AF.

As do I, I have no plans to get that combo.

The last part is quite untrue.  I spoke with a very important Col and he expressed to me that no cared about it...it was considered an "interal CAP" thing of which the USAF had no control.  Basically, that we made more of it than they did.  Also, that the halls of the pentagon and SAC bases were NOT filled with talk of  it.

Plus I've seen all sorts of combinations including the white aviator shirt with AF epaulets and gray pants, with a grey nametag also a white aviator shirt with grey epaulets and blue pants and blue nametag.  Sheesh.

This is an issue of individuals, not masses.

[JohnKachenmeister]

SAC bases?

Man, there ain't been SAC bases since I had an 8-track in my car!

[Major Carrales]

SAC bases?

Man, there ain't been SAC bases since I had an 8-track in my car!

For effect...Kach, only for effect!

[CAP_truth]

Read AFI 10-2701 section 1.3.4 about our uniforms. The USC and the CAP corporate constitution states that the name of the corporation is "Civil Air Patrol" not "U. S. Civil Air Patrol". Maybe the cutouts should be USCAP. Just food for discussion

[Major Carrales]

Read AFI 10-2701 section 1.3.4 about our uniforms. The USC and the CAP corporate constitution states that the name of the corporation is "Civil Air Patrol" not "U. S. Civil Air Patrol". Maybe the cutouts should be USCAP. Just food for discussion

AFI 10-2701 does not govern us as individuals in Civil Air Patrol, that would be (en re uniforms), CAPM 39-1.

Now, that beging said...I don't think the "US Civil Air Patrol" thing was lumped into the Corporate Service Uniform.  Rather, I think it was one of those..."hey, this would be nifty things."

No one challenged it...if it was so "disturbing" why didn't Wing and Region commanders rais emore of a voice? 

[TankerT]

Man, there ain't been SAC bases since I had an 8-track in my car!

Don't you still have an 8-track in your car?

[JayT]

I don't think the so-called "TPU" will be going anywhere very fast.  Based on teh number of poeple I have seen wearing it in photos (including Brig Gen Courter), at conferences and even some cadets that posts photos on CADETSTUFF (you know who you are...I can see you twitching!)

Frankly, I don't see it as being solely Pineda's doing.  For something like that to be aprroved, it requires more than just an "executive descision" on the part of the National Commander.  I think this was a motion by a broader scope of persons.

In anycase, I do not own one such uniform for even a single item (save for the CAP ribbons, drawers and shoes that are somewhat required  ) of that uniform.  Not even a white aviator shirt.

Should I buy one?

That is, without a doubt, the best reference to my cadet stuff handler I've ever see!

LONG LIVE THE TPU FOR CADETS!

[JohnKachenmeister]

Man, there ain't been SAC bases since I had an 8-track in my car!

Don't you still have an 8-track in your car?

Not since I got rid of my 1970 Plymouth Duster.  I had some good times in that car. 

[Hawk200]

I think that wearing military ribbons and badges would be nice, but I think it would take a CAP constitution change to make that happen.

It has nothing to do with the CAP constitution. The various military branches determine what decorations they permit on various pieces of civilian clothing, and how it's worn on that clothing. If a military branch says "You may wear your medals on a tux" then that's the matter permitted. It doesn't mean you can wear it on whatever you want.

CAP has no authority or standing on what the military determines as acceptable wear. Too many people have the idea that CAP has implemented the restriction, and it's incorrect. Even though it looks military, the "Corporate Service Coat" is still technically civilian clothing. CAP can decide to wear whatever they want that the corporation has created. They cannot decide to allow awards, decorations, badges or insignia of the military without approval of the military branch in question.

[Smokey]

Not since I got rid of my 1970 Plymouth Duster.  I had some good times in that car.



Front or back seat Kack???

[Hawk200]

As far as the "Will the TPU stay?", I think it probably will. It was a mistake, but McPeak did the same thing. Hopefully, Amy Courter will follow in Fogleman's footsteps and clean it up. It could use a little work, but overall it's really not a bad concept overall.

[isuhawkeye]

Not to derail the discussion, but heres a question for you.

the "TPU" has yet to be encapsulated in any regulation.  Mr. Pineda issued emergency orders following each board meeting, and those emergency orders are only valid until the next board meeting. 

Since he did not issue said order following the last board meeting, is the uniform even valid now?

[JohnKachenmeister]

Not since I got rid of my 1970 Plymouth Duster.  I had some good times in that car.



Front or back seat Kack???

Both.

I was an animal.

[JohnKachenmeister]

As far as the "Will the TPU stay?", I think it probably will. It was a mistake, but McPeak did the same thing. Hopefully, Amy Courter will follow in Fogleman's footsteps and clean it up. It could use a little work, but overall it's really not a bad concept overall.

I agree with you.

An alternative to the USAF uniform for the chubby rascals has been a long time in coming.  The overall look of the TPU however is that of a Third-World Admiral of a patrol boat navy.  Or a Nebraska admiral, I'm not sure.

I don't know why the Air Force is so strict about the weight of CAP members to wear the USAF uniform, but has ZERO rules for state guardsmen who wear the USAF uniform.

My personal choice would be to develop ONE uniform, make it corporate, and ALL officers wear the same one.  Make it close to the USAF uniform so that people can see what team we are on, but sufficiently different that the AF can rest assured that nobody will mistake us for them.

That's not likely, so I hope we can just clean up the TPU, maybe lose the silver braid.

[O-Rex]

it makes everyone look like Chief O'Hara on Batman.  Not the best choice

Saints alive, lad: bite yer tongue!

[Eclipse]

(but yeah, going double breasted for a fat boy suit - it makes everyone look like Chief O'Hara on Batman.  Not the best choice)

I can take the personal stuff, I can stand for cracks about CAP leaders and even POTUS, but when you take the name of the single most effective law enforcement officer in the history of alternative universes in vain...well THAT "sir" is cause for an драка!

[MajorChuck]

Theres a rumor that the US in USCAP will go BY BY

[Eagle400]

Theres a rumor that the US in USCAP will go BY BY

Good.  I hope it's true. 

Know anything about the reverse American Flag patches on the BDU?  Are they going to go bye bye too?  That was another Pineda screw-up.   

[Major Carrales]

Theres a rumor that the US in USCAP will go BY BY

Good.  I hope it's true. 

Know anything about the reverse American Flag patches on the BDU?  Are they going to go bye bye too?  That was another Pineda screw-up.   

"One Note Charlie..."

'nuff said!