CAP Flight Dress Uniform Guide

Started by AlphaSigOU, September 30, 2007, 04:04:42 PM

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AlphaSigOU

Attached is a guide I prepared on the proper wear of the CAP Flight Dress Uniform (to rip off the RealAir Force® term from AFI 36-2903). This covers both the flight suit (green and blue bag) and its poorer cousin, the CAP utility uniform. In the absence of a new 39-1, this guide incorporates changes in the interim change (read: policy) letters. It also incorporates certain wear instructions from AFI 36-2903, so that Joe Senior Member does not incur the wrath of the RealAirForce® while sporting the green or blue bag on an AF installation. (Aircrews are notoriously protective of the bag; even more so of the brown A-2 leather jacket, and with good reason.)

CAP members are free to use it to teach uniform wear classes or use as additional information for Level I, SLS or CLC.
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

JC004

Very nice work, an a lot of it.  Thanks.

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: JC004 on September 30, 2007, 04:09:44 PM
Very nice work, an a lot of it.  Thanks.

Not a problem at all. Working on a couple of guides for the CAP grays and the TPU.
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

JC004

Great.  I wanted to do a TPU guide myself, but I've been busy doing some custom PHP programming on the e-Learning site to make it more to our needs.  The TPU thing is badly needed because it's just to hard to follow all the policy letters.

SDF_Specialist

This will come in handy for when I finally get aircrew.
SDF_Specialist

arajca

Mods, can you make a sticky topic for these guides?

I'm still trying to find that last one - they are HUGELY useful!

jimmydeanno

I'm just curious where the "Sr Mbr" abbreviation for the nametag came from.  I've never seen any senior member with "Sr Mbr" on their name tag, I've only seen "SM."
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

MIKE

Mike Johnston

GaryJSO

Not that I would try it, but I'm curious the basis for your nixing wear of the CAP Command Badge to the left of the wings on the CAP FDU nametag?  The current AF guidance specifically authorizes wear of the AF commander's badge on the FDU nametag in the same location you have red-lined in your guide.

Also, as any good 13S will tell you (at length), operationally qualified space and missile crew members are also authorized wear of the brown A2 jacket, not just aircrew as stated on page 6.  Ditto for the green bags.

Gary

Eclipse

Quote from: GaryJSO on October 06, 2007, 02:36:55 AM
Not that I would try it, but I'm curious the basis for your nixing wear of the CAP Command Badge to the left of the wings on the CAP FDU nametag?  The current AF guidance specifically authorizes wear of the AF commander's badge on the FDU nametag in the same location you have red-lined in your guide.

Also, as any good 13S will tell you (at length), operationally qualified space and missile crew members are also authorized wear of the brown A2 jacket, not just aircrew as stated on page 6.  Ditto for the green bags.

Gary

In both cases you are correct for the USAF and not CAP.

Nice job on the guide - I'm going to have to go back and look at your other guides as well.

"That Others May Zoom"

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: GaryJSO on October 06, 2007, 02:36:55 AM
Not that I would try it, but I'm curious the basis for your nixing wear of the CAP Command Badge to the left of the wings on the CAP FDU nametag?  The current AF guidance specifically authorizes wear of the AF commander's badge on the FDU nametag in the same location you have red-lined in your guide.

Also, as any good 13S will tell you (at length), operationally qualified space and missile crew members are also authorized wear of the brown A2 jacket, not just aircrew as stated on page 6.  Ditto for the green bags.

Gary

True that... again, the CAP command badge is not - yet - authorized for wear on a flight suit nametag, though the AF allows it. Dadgummit, I forgot the 'prairie submariners' also get the A-2!
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

Chaplaindon

Capt Corway,

One minor correction IAW USAF wear policies (and the simple logistics of badge placement) needs to be made to page 4 of your document. It states that "Chaplain insiginia ... is worn above any aeronautical rating."

That is accurate on all uniforms except the leather patch. IAW USAF practices (and for a practical reason, namely the cross/tablets/crescent is too large for placement above so it is placed to the LEFT of the aero-badge.

The Chaplain's badge is --in fact-- a USAF badge (NOT a CAP badge) and is worn IAW USAF practices. You can see this demonstrated in photos of Ch, Maj Gen Baldwin (USAF Chief of Chaplains) wearing his A-2 (he's a rated pilot too) with both badges on the leather patch.

Otherwise a good guide ...


Rev. Don Brown, Ch., Lt Col, CAP (Ret.)
Former Deputy Director for CISM at CAP/HQ
Gill Robb Wilson Award # 1660
ACS-Chaplain, VFC, IPFC, DSO, NSO, USCG Auxiliary
AUXOP

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: Chaplaindon on October 06, 2007, 01:14:49 PM
Capt Corway,

One minor correction IAW USAF wear policies (and the simple logistics of badge placement) needs to be made to page 4 of your document. It states that "Chaplain insiginia ... is worn above any aeronautical rating."

That is accurate on all uniforms except the leather patch. IAW USAF practices (and for a practical reason, namely the cross/tablets/crescent is too large for placement above so it is placed to the LEFT of the aero-badge.

The Chaplain's badge is --in fact-- a USAF badge (NOT a CAP badge) and is worn IAW USAF practices. You can see this demonstrated in photos of Ch, Maj Gen Baldwin (USAF Chief of Chaplains) wearing his A-2 (he's a rated pilot too) with both badges on the leather patch.

Otherwise a good guide ...




So noted and information to be corrected.
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

GaryJSO

Quote from: AlphaSigOU on October 06, 2007, 11:37:48 AM
True that... again, the CAP command badge is not - yet - authorized for wear on a flight suit nametag, though the AF allows it. Dadgummit, I forgot the 'prairie submariners' also get the A-2!
Nothing in the current CAPRs "authorizes" the wear of anything on the leather name tag except for name, grade, and aeronautical rating.  Anything past that is extrapolation, (which you've done very well) but I'm curious why you singled out the commanders badge for prohibition?

And it's worse than you remembered: not just the missile pukes; the satellite drivers and space warning scope dopes wear A2s permenantly as well.  And the space lift guys too (althought they usually either start or end up as one of the preceeding)...

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: GaryJSO on October 07, 2007, 12:25:54 AM
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on October 06, 2007, 11:37:48 AM
True that... again, the CAP command badge is not - yet - authorized for wear on a flight suit nametag, though the AF allows it. Dadgummit, I forgot the 'prairie submariners' also get the A-2!
Nothing in the current CAPRs "authorizes" the wear of anything on the leather name tag except for name, grade, and aeronautical rating.  Anything past that is extrapolation, (which you've done very well) but I'm curious why you singled out the commanders badge for prohibition?

And it's worse than you remembered: not just the missile pukes; the satellite drivers and space warning scope dopes wear A2s permenantly as well.  And the space lift guys too (althought they usually either start or end up as one of the preceeding)...

'Cause it's one of the more common badges seen on a CAP uniform. No slight intended upon the position. As far as I know, Vanguard (and the 'unofficial' better quality name patch companies whose names shall not be uttered here) does not apply the CAP squadron/group commander's badge. If it were done, it would be probably shown like I depict it in the guide.

The additional specialty insignia on the name patch was authorized in the July 2007 interim change letter.
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040