New USAF Service Coat

[SAR-EMT1]

Just remember... we have to get hte ABU before we get this Back-to-the future service coat. ... Brooks Bros... sheesh. One of their suits would cost me a months pay.

[AlphaSigOU]

Just remember... we have to get hte ABU before we get this Back-to-the future service coat. ... Brooks Bros... sheesh. One of their suits would cost me a months pay.

Hey... but you'll be lookin' good!  (Even if it puts the average joe who doesn't do 'bespoke tailoring' in the poor house!  )

[Grumpy]

I ran across this picture about the new AF service coat... got a chuckle...

This is not the coat selected. It was one of the choices and is being considered as a possible Honor Guard or other formal wear uniform in the future.

That doesn't make the picture any less funny....

Or maybe just to me.

Change it to "a new coat that the Air Force was looking at and may or may not use as a possible alternative to a choice they may make in the future regarding an update of the current service dress uniform or its equivalent".

Better?

Huh  

[jb512]

I ran across this picture about the new AF service coat... got a chuckle...

This is not the coat selected. It was one of the choices and is being considered as a possible Honor Guard or other formal wear uniform in the future.

That doesn't make the picture any less funny....

Or maybe just to me.

Change it to "a new coat that the Air Force was looking at and may or may not use as a possible alternative to a choice they may make in the future regarding an update of the current service dress uniform or its equivalent".

Better?

Huh  

Yep. 

Exactly.

[NAYBOR]

I personally like the choker collar version, and hope it is used for something by the AF, even if it is not the "everyday" service uniform.

[afgeo4]

I personally like the choker collar version, and hope it is used for something by the AF, even if it is not the "everyday" service uniform.

Summer whites?

[SarDragon]

I personally like the choker collar version, and hope it is used for something by the AF, even if it is not the "everyday" service uniform.

Summer whites?

Bite your tongue!!!!

I left the whites in the Navy, gladly. I have no desire to wear them in any form in CAP!

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I personally like the choker collar version, and hope it is used for something by the AF, even if it is not the "everyday" service uniform.

Summer whites?

Bite your tongue!!!!

I left the whites in the Navy, gladly. I have no desire to wear them in any form in CAP!

I have to agree no summer whites.  They're not the most flattering on all people.

[SAR-EMT1]

Getting back ot the original pic... I think it just looks bad for two General Officers to wear anything other then the Service Cap while in Service Dress.
Save the beret for the ACUs and the flight cap for the flight suit...

[JayT]

Getting back ot the original pic... I think it just looks bad for two General Officers to wear anything other then the Service Cap while in Service Dress.
Save the beret for the ACUs and the flight cap for the flight suit...

Umm.......what? Why?

[mikeylikey]

Getting back ot the original pic... I think it just looks bad for two General Officers to wear anything other then the Service Cap while in Service Dress.
Save the beret for the ACUs and the flight cap for the flight suit...

Army no longer has a Service Cap for the green Service Dress (Class A's).  They still have a service cap for the dress blues though.  When the greens are eliminated most likely this June, the Blues will be the only service dress and Officers will be back in the Service Cap, while enlisted and I think Junior NCO's will be in the beret. 

As far as the AF, goes, I can't comment.  They still have a Service Cap, so I am unsure why a 4 star would not be in it.

[JayT]

Getting back ot the original pic... I think it just looks bad for two General Officers to wear anything other then the Service Cap while in Service Dress.
Save the beret for the ACUs and the flight cap for the flight suit...

Army no longer has a Service Cap for the green Service Dress (Class A's).  They still have a service cap for the dress blues though.  When the greens are eliminated most likely this June, the Blues will be the only service dress and Officers will be back in the Service Cap, while enlisted and I think Junior NCO's will be in the beret. 

As far as the AF, goes, I can't comment.  They still have a Service Cap, so I am unsure why a 4 star would not be in it.

Proberly because Air Force Generals don't dress with thought of what some civilian volunteers think that a General should look like.

[Hawk200]

.... Officers will be back in the Service Cap, while enlisted and I think Junior NCO's will be in the beret. 

From the last message I've seen, enlisted wear beret, NCO and up wear service cap. I imagine they're giving the enlisted a break.

As far as the AF, goes, I can't comment.  They still have a Service Cap, so I am unsure why a 4 star would not be in it.

I think the only time I ever saw any generals wearing flight cap in service dress on a regular basis was the McPeak era. After he was gone, and Fogleman brought it back, almost every general I've ever seen since had on a service cap.

[PHall]

I think the only time I ever saw any generals wearing flight cap in service dress on a regular basis was the McPeak era. After he was gone, and Fogleman brought it back, almost every general I've ever seen since had on a service cap.

That's because the "Fighter Pilot Mafia" didn't like Service Caps.

[jpnelson82]

Are we sure this is the adopted "Hap Arnold Heritage" uniform, there was another one with a mandarin collar and belt more like the USMC uniform of the Second World War, very nice looking. I doubt CAP will get them for years, we're stuck with the cheap business suit for a while longer.

[pixelwonk]

Yes they are sure.

[mikeylikey]

I still don't like the belt.  Plus, the AF knows this is based on the "HAP" which was an Army uniform right??  For you AF folks, the AF Portal has a link to give your comments about all AF uniforms and a survey, if you haven't checked it, you should.  I would like to push my personal feelings if I could on those of you who may comment on it.  1....no belt!  2.....bring back the air corps branch insignia to the Officers uniform (thats historical right?)  3.... commissioning braid should be black.  4......perhaps re-introduce the braid to the officers pants (thats what was worn on this uniform in the 1940's)  5.......no necktie for women   6........make service cap mandatory for officers, flight cap for enlisted. 

Thats it.  I tried to "sneak" into the virtual uniform board, even put my CAC in like it told me too, but it came back and said "Not AUTH, non-AF MEM".  So maybe someone else can take my suggestions.

[tjaxe]

5.......no necktie for women  

MikeyLikey,
Why no necktie for women?  I honestly don't mean this in any nasty kind of way, but, what's it to you?  Why does it matter to you if women wear the neck tie? Plenty of women wouldn't mind wearing the stuff the guys get to wear (yes, "GET" to wear) like pockets in shirts and tie tacks on ties, and all that stuff.  Maybe women should decide what should be worn for the women's uniform.  Just MHO.  :angel:

- Tracey

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5.......no necktie for women  

MikeyLikey,
Why no necktie for women?  I honestly don't mean this in any nasty kind of way, but, what's it to you?  Why does it matter to you if women wear the neck tie? Plenty of women wouldn't mind wearing the stuff the guys get to wear (yes, "GET" to wear) like pockets in shirts and tie tacks on ties, and all that stuff.  Maybe women should decide what should be worn for the women's uniform.  Just MHO.  :angel:

- Tracey

Tracey,

I see where you're coming from.  However as far as the AF stlye uniforms go we have to where them the way the AF dictates. 

[JohnKachenmeister]

I still don't like the belt.  Plus, the AF knows this is based on the "HAP" which was an Army uniform right??  For you AF folks, the AF Portal has a link to give your comments about all AF uniforms and a survey, if you haven't checked it, you should.  I would like to push my personal feelings if I could on those of you who may comment on it.  1....no belt!  2.....bring back the air corps branch insignia to the Officers uniform (thats historical right?)  3.... commissioning braid should be black.  4......perhaps re-introduce the braid to the officers pants (thats what was worn on this uniform in the 1940's)  5.......no necktie for women   6........make service cap mandatory for officers, flight cap for enlisted. 

Thats it.  I tried to "sneak" into the virtual uniform board, even put my CAC in like it told me too, but it came back and said "Not AUTH, non-AF MEM".  So maybe someone else can take my suggestions.

4.  The stripe on the pants is an Army tradition that dates back to when officers and others rode horses.  Having a stripe allowed the guys who were riding in LPC's (Leather Personnel Carriers) to determine who was who.  Artillerymen, who were also mounted, wore red pants, and were called "Redlegs" as a result.  The AF dropped the trouser stripe because they wanted to start making thier own traditions, and horse cavalry and airplanes didn't seem to mix.