BDUs are now Obsolete

[Spaceman3750]

Please no... The aviator really doesn't need headgear. Blues really don't need headgear either, but we don't have a whole lot of choice about that.

[BradM]

Please no... The aviator really doesn't need headgear. Blues really don't need headgear either, but we don't have a whole lot of choice about that.

I would like it, and you wouldn't have to wear it if you didn't want to

[cap235629]

With the white aviator shirt and gray slacks. I'd like to be able to wear a Kingform Army white service cap with it. Replace the cap emblem with a gold version of the CAP cap emblem.





That look would remind me a little of West Point cadets.

I actually created something similar with my old MP white service cap.  With a black chinstrap the standard CAP service cap device looks just fine....

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Please no... The aviator really doesn't need headgear. Blues really don't need headgear either, but we don't have a whole lot of choice about that.

Is it that you don't like hats?

It'll never happen, but this would be my choice, all made by Bernard Cap:


West Point garrison cap, made by Bernard Cap


Listed as "foreign military," also by Bernard Cap


Airline Officer's Cap (2nd Lt-Captain)


Airline Captain's Cap (Maj-Col)


Replacement visor for Generals

But somebody, please, Please, PLEASE get rid of the Realtor jacket (blazer)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I KNOW it's cheap, especially if you get it at Salvation Army, Goodwill or St. Vince's...but it is very NON-AVIATION.  When I see it, I think of Century 21, RE/MAX, etc (I used to work in the real estate industry).

I would be over the moon to be able to wear something like this:


Airline aircrew uniform jacket, available from Tally-Ho uniforms...and it's available in charcoal grey, to keep the grey zealots appeased!  We wouldn't have to use the sleeve striping, either...the current Realtor jacket nameplate with grade would suffice, but deep-six the pocket protector!!!

[SarDragon]

WHITE HATS SUCK!

I spent 21 years wearing them in one form or another, and that would be my very last choice for a hat color. They get dirty VERY quickly, and "wear out" much sooner because of the frequent cleaning.

Just say no to white hats.

[titanII]

WHITE HATS SUCK!
Just say no to white hats.

+1
Now I may not have as much experience with white hats as SarDragon  , but I can attest to this nonetheless. No White Hats!

[BradM]

WHITE HATS SUCK!

I spent 21 years wearing them in one form or another, and that would be my very last choice for a hat color. They get dirty VERY quickly, and "wear out" much sooner because of the frequent cleaning.

Just say no to white hats.

It could be a gray hat instead with either the gold strap and gold emblem or the silver strap and silver emblem (the one we currently put on the Air Force cap), or a black strap with either color emblem. The silver one we already can get easily. If no one really likes the gold on the white/gray combo.



Then a gray four pocket tunic with matching buttons (silver or gold) and matching gray pants. The gray could be the same color as the epaulets or I like better no epaulates and using metal insignia. We could have the U.S. letters on the lapels or the C.A.P. letters. I like the U.S. letters better. Then CAP ribbons and badges, & name tag.

[arajca]

But somebody, please, Please, PLEASE get rid of the Realtor jacket (blazer)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I KNOW it's cheap, especially if you get it at Salvation Army, Goodwill or St. Vince's...but it is very NON-AVIATION.  When I see it, I think of Century 21, RE/MAX, etc (I used to work in the real estate industry).

I would be over the moon to be able to wear something like this:


Airline aircrew uniform jacket, available from Tally-Ho uniforms...and it's available in charcoal grey, to keep the grey zealots appeased!  We wouldn't have to use the sleeve striping, either...the current Realtor jacket nameplate with grade would suffice, but deep-six the pocket protector!!!

And this without the sleeve stripes is different from the current blazer how exactly? The pocket protector is a travesty. The proper way to wear a crest on the blazer is to either sew it on or use a pin on version.

[a2capt]

The pocket protector thing is absolutely ghetto. Plain and simple. It just looks AWFUL.

[BradM]

How about for the white shirt and gray pants we have this hat with the CAP emblem and then a jacket that matches the pants like the Germans are using?

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

^^Except that General Courter made it clear in her ICL that the corporate uniform will NOT be of a "military type."

That means that whatever comes out of the uniform think tank can only be a minor variation on what now exists.

I always thought we looked more East German in the G/W...at least in the shade of grey.



arajca: I used that example SOLELY because it is available in CHARCOAL GREY, to appease the grey, grey, grey zealots and because it is readily, commercially available.

My first preference would be for the Air America type or this:


(Yes, I know it's blue, but so is the blazer!)

I loathe the blazer; I know others disagree with me but it's just my opinion.

BradM: I don't see being allowed the "U.S." devices on a corporate uniform, because of mixing civilian/military, nor allowing military ribbons for the same reason.

[Thrashed]

I vote "no hats" of any kind.
We also do not need new uniform choices or changes. Enough is enough!

[BillB]

I think it's interesting people are talking about several completely different sets of uniforms. One set for seniors and ignoring the cadets. Cadets will remain in Air Force style uniforms. Seniors will go to some sort of non-military uniform and there will be no uniformity with seniors in flight suits, BBDUs, or whatever. Let the uniform committee come up with something that ALL seniors could wear and you'll still get people show up at meetings in several variations none of which look professional.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

I vote "no hats" of any kind.

Why?

We also do not need new uniform choices or changes. Enough is enough!

Sooo...the many CAP members who loathe the current options and the way the CSU was pulled out from under us just have to "suck it up?"

[a2capt]

Yet another uniform option? Nah. I'll pass. A transition to something once and for all, with a generous phase out period knowing that at the "end" we'll actually have the chance to be more uniform, I'll go with that.

[BradM]

How about for the white shirt and gray pants we have this hat with the CAP emblem and then a jacket that matches the pants like the Germans are using?

The only reason why I would like the gray hat with the gray tunic like the Germans above have on the left. The darker shade of gray is because most of the year I have a goatee. I'm in weight standards and my hair cut is in grooming standards. I don't like the Air Force mustache being so small ending with the verticle lines at the edges of the mouth. I shaved my goatee one time to a mustache and I didnt like it very much. So I grew it back. I might do it again next year at the CA Wing Conference and when I go to the CLC. Then grow it back again. For the gray tunic like on the left we could have the C.A.P. letters at the collars. Metal insignia is prefered but if not approved then the slip on epaulettes would be the same color as the tunic. Our CAP only ribbons and metal badges and wings.  The buttons could be the CAP coat of arms. The belt could be a black elastic belt with a silver buckle under the jacket on the trousers, not on top of the jacket. Thats what I'd like to wear with a trimmed goatee.

[Buzz]

Please no... The aviator really doesn't need headgear.

You don't fly much, do you?

I'm my planes I wear an HGU-55.

In other people's planes, I either wear a ball cap or (as appropriate) a 50-mission crush.

CAP needs to put a 50-mission crush into 39-1.   

[Major Lord]

Wasn't there a study a few years back that showed there would be a major increase in light aircraft pilot survival if helmets were worn? Besides, you guys just don't look "top gun" enough in a plain green bag!

Major Lord

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Please no... The aviator really doesn't need headgear.

You don't fly much, do you?

I'm my planes I wear an HGU-55.

In other people's planes, I either wear a ball cap or (as appropriate) a 50-mission crush.

CAP needs to put a 50-mission crush into 39-1.   

Buzz, I think Spaceman was referring to the aviator uniform not "needing" headgear...but props on the 50-mission crush!









(Doubtless someone will point out that none of them are grey... )

[Eclipse]

I'd buy into the crush as long as the requirement was that it be approved for wear only after 50 missions.