I give you - the King of Stolen Valor

[lordmonar]

Something like that.

When the USAF went electronic it was just added to everyone's records.

I think Lackland updates all the basics when they process them out to their first base or training base.  I'll have to ask one of the new airman in my squadron.

[SarDragon]

She was asking about ROTC, which may do things differently. Or not. It's just a SWAG on my part.

In any event, it likely gets entered in the first month or so of active duty.

[flyboy53]

ROTC cadets receive/earn theirs at commissioning. I think it must be issued just before the ceremony because most ROTC graduates are already wearing it. It's the same if they were successful in earning a Small Arms Marksmanship Ribbon.

Anyway, there has to be a roster somewhere where the unit commander approves those who were eligible and red lines those who are not. I never went through a record audit during my first enlistment and only noticed it as an entry on my first discharge. I got an Overseas Service (long tour) Ribbon at the same time and couldn't wear it because they hadn't been produced yet.

Most people don't realize the AF Good Conduct Medal is done the same way (a roster). I watched a first sergeant examine such a roster once, red lines, et all. Then he called those of us lucky recipients into his office for presentation of the medal. I never forgot his statement that it was the easiest medal to have taken away and then he handed mine to me.

So it used to be that the AF Good Conduct Medal had a level of prestige akin to a personal decoration. I was even lucky enough to be handed one once that was a formal decoration set, complete with the lapel pin. I have my uncle's WWII Army Good Conduct Medal and it's a decoration set as well.

The sad thing is that the clown whose behavior started this string, is still entitled to his basic aircrew wings, NDSM, Small Arms Marksmanship Ribbon and AF Training Ribbon despite his bad conduct discharge. That's sad...and a disgrace to all of the rest of us.

What's a SWAG?

[SARDOC]

What's a SWAG?

Scientific Wild A$$ Guess

[Tim Medeiros]

Something like that.

When the USAF went electronic it was just added to everyone's records.

I think Lackland updates all the basics when they process them out to their first base or training base.  I'll have to ask one of the new airman in my squadron.

Just a note, I'm in-between tech and getting to my first base, vMPF Awards & Decs page is still blank, so I'm guessing it happens at the first base.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

I think you still get the NDSM even if you don't complete BMT, if you're not booted out for fraudulent enlistment or something similar, like if you get an ELS for medical conditions or whatever.

I had a supervisor who was a Master Sergeant and then got a commission, retiring as a Captain...would he have got a palm/OLC for his AF Training Ribbon?

The joker who is the OS of this thread may indeed get to keep some of his blingage, but it'll be hard to convince anyone he's entitled to it, unless he carries a copy of his 214 around.

After all, Queen Victoria said that even if the winner of a VC were to go to the hangman, "he shall wear his VC on the gallows."

[Major Lord]

Want to be the first guy on your block to "earn" a Medal of Honor? Buy the WWII type from down under: http://www.quarterdeckmilitaria.com.au/products.php?cID=16

Major Lord

[lordmonar]

Criteria: a. The National Defense Service Medal was awarded for honorable active service for any period between 27 June 1950 and 27 July 1954; between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974; between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995 and between 11 September 2001 and a closing date to be determined. For the purpose of the award, the following persons will not be considered as performing active service:

(1) Guard and Reserve forces personnel on short tours of duty to fulfill training obligations under an inactive duty training program.

(2) Any person on active duty for the sole purpose of undergoing a physical examination.

(3) Any person on temporary active duty to serve on boards, courts, commissions and like organizations or on active duty for purposes other than extended active duty.

(4) A one time only exception, for members of the Army National Guard and United States Army Reserve, who were part of the selected reserve in good standing, was authorized, per executive orders 12778, dated 18 October 1991, for the period 2 August 1990 to 30 November 1995.

b. The National Defense Service Medal may be awarded to members of the Reserve Components who are ordered to Federal active duty, regardless of duration, except for the categories listed above. Any member of the Guard or Reserve who, after 31 December 1960, becomes eligible for the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, Vietnam Service Medal or the Southwest Asia Service Medal is also eligible for the National Defense Service Medal.

c. To signify receipt of a second or subsequent award of the NDSM, a bronze service star will be worn on the service ribbon by U.S. Army personnel so qualified. Second or third award of the NDSM is authorized for soldiers who served in one or more of the four qualifying time periods. It is not authorized for soldiers who met the criteria in one time period, left active duty and returned during the same period of eligibility.

d. Cadets of the U.S. Military Academy are eligible for the NDSM, during any of the inclusive periods listed above, upon completion of the swearing-in ceremonies as a cadet.

e. The NDSM may be issued posthumously.

Serve on day active duty and you get the NDSM.

IIRC the whole reason why they instituted the Basic Training Ribbon in the first place is that when they stopped the NDSM in the 70's it would 3 years before you earned a ribbon and they thought it looked silly.

[flyboy53]

Tim,

You can wear the NDSM now. You don't have to wait until you're told to because you're in the current window of eligibility.

Lordmonar, regarding the AF Training Ribbon, true. I remember that discussion now, but then I read the rest of the justification in Air Force Times. Cyborg, the Mustang would have worn an oak leave on his training ribbon.

The first ribbon I ever earned was an AFOUA...at least it was permanent. I envied those who earned the Small Arms Marksmanship Ribbon in Basic and then during weapons quals in SP. I only ever qualified -- kept missing by one or two points. It took five years to fire expert on the M-16.

[Al Sayre]

What's a SWAG?

Scientific Wild A$$ Guess

Stuff We All Get

[PHall]

What's a SWAG?

Scientific Wild A$$ Guess

Stuff We All Get

aka BTDT stuff.

[AngelWings]

 We give you, the weekly waste of our time.

[SarDragon]

What's a SWAG?

Scientific Wild A$$ Guess

That is correct, for the given context. Might carry the othermeaning elsewhere.

[Short Field]

the Mustang would have worn an oak leave on his training ribbon.

That is what I wear on mine. 

[SAR-EMT1]

...snip...
This ribbon, that those of us in the Air Force sometimes call the "Battle of Lackland" ribbon, is actually for all
AF members when they complete entry-level training, which means that if you go to basic and then the Academy, OTS or Medical Officer or Legal Officer orientation, you wear a device on the ribbon.
...snip...

Question: When would someone that goes through ROTC earn this ribbon? Just curious.

Back when I was in ROTC 2003-2005 graduating / commissioning cadets showed up to the ceremony in Officers Dress Blues
( new everything,  jacket was to have the wrist stripe, cadet uniforms were turned back in)

The cadet/ 2nd LT would normally have the Training Ribbon, GWOTSM and NDSM on the uniform walking into the room sans butter bar
and (if they did any "summer camps" )
- Marksmanship
- Jump Wings
- Hawk Mountain cordage 

* I have seen photos of BSN students wearing the RN device at commissioning even though that device technically doesn't come until later.

[AirDX]

Here's the king of resume embellishment:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/26/2376091_p2/senate-candidate-mccalister-breaks.html

And his resume:

http://tinyurl.com/3u7pv8r

Holy Moly!

[DC]

You could win about a dozen games of buzz word bingo in the first paragraph. 

9 pages of CV = trying too hard...

[SarDragon]

Nine pages? I quit partway through page 2.

[DC]

Nine pages? I quit partway through page 2.

I didn't read them all, I assure you.