Eyes on a dress right dress

Started by xray328, April 13, 2016, 06:04:30 AM

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stillamarine

Quote from: HGjunkie on April 14, 2016, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: stillamarine on April 14, 2016, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: Capt Hatkevich on April 14, 2016, 01:13:26 AM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on April 13, 2016, 10:16:14 PM
I always have taught it as eyes staring at the same heading the head goes. No additional 45 degrees. They do not need the additional 45 degrees to use their peripheral vision to see the person on their right (or to the left in case of eyes left).
Peripheral vision alone wont work.

SDI SSgt Brown, DIs SSgt Senft, Sgt Young and Sgt Hernandez and Sgt Lorance would disagree with you. I remember vividly what happened when my eyes were not facing the direction my head was facing.

Well, for one... this isn't the USMC or MCRD



Maybe not. But having served in three branches, plus being involved in CAP for almost 30 years (with some breaks) most (not all) of the drill manuals are the same.
Well, for one... this isn't the USMC or MCRD.
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HGjunkie

I'm inclined to agree that the basic drill is the same, but the interpretation of 2903 can be taken either way. And in the end, unless you're doing something like NCC, it honestly doesn't actually matter if everyone is doing it the same way and it looks correct.
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Майор Хаткевич

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So...I was starting to waiver, thinking that MAYBE I interpreted it wrong (wouldn't be the first time!).

Then I went to the drill manual:


Quote3.8. Eyes Right (Left) and Ready Front. The commands are Eyes, RIGHT (LEFT) and Ready, FRONT. These commands may be given at a halt or while marching. The preparatory command and command of execution are given on the right (left) foot while marching. On the command RIGHT (LEFT), all persons, except those on the right (left) flank, turn their heads and eyes smartly 45 degrees to the right (left) (Figure 3.6). To return their heads and eyes to the front, the command Ready, FRONT is given as the left (right) foot strikes the ground. On the command FRONT, heads and eyes are turned smartly to the front (figure 3.7).


Drill already establishes that at attention you're eyes are looking forward. So why would you need to turn your head and eyes, 45 degrees?


Here's some photos from the web:

kwe1009

I have been in the Air Force for nearly 30 years and spent about 3 years with the Honor Guard and honestly this never came up.  Head goes to 45 degrees and move you eyes as necessary to ensure that you are properly aligned.

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: kwe1009 on April 14, 2016, 03:13:57 PM
I have been in the Air Force for nearly 30 years and spent about 3 years with the Honor Guard and honestly this never came up.  Head goes to 45 degrees and move you eyes as necessary to ensure that you are properly aligned.


Agreed,


It's a very minor point. I keep sitting in my office, turning my head 45 degrees, and going between eyes looking "straight" and 45 degrees from head...sure, both work, but by moving my eyes, I can clearly see to the 90 degree angle from my body, not just "kinda sorta blurry". And I got them Mark 1.1 Lasik eyes.

Luis R. Ramos

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...what happened when my eyes were not facing the direction my head was facing.


Some are saying in this thread "While traveling, head goes 45 degrees right. Eyes get to be another 45 degrees."

This is exemplified by these characters. First three characters represent direction of travel. Second one is head at 45 degrees. Last one is direction eyes are facing after another 45 degrees. In this scenario, the eyes are not facing the direction the head is facing.

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Others are saying in this thread "While traveling, head goes 45 degrees right. Eyes do not need to be another 45 degrees."

This is exemplified by these characters. First three characters represent direction of travel. Second one is head at 45 degrees. Last one is direction eyes are facing without another 45 degrees. And this is having the eyes facing the direction the head is facing.

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