If a cadet tries to rejoin after receiving a 2B for non-attendance, is there a waiting period before they can rejoin CAP and go to another unit? Or can they just rejoin right away?
My first Q is - Why the 2b in the first place?
If someone isn't attending, ask why first. If there's no response, let the membership expire, and move on. There's no bad paper, no administrivia to worry about, and if rejoining later comes up, there's no hassle. Rejoining after a 2b requires action from a higher echelon, and can get messy.
Quote from: SarDragon on September 28, 2022, 10:53:54 AMMy first Q is - Why the 2b in the first place?
If someone isn't attending, ask why first. If there's no response, let the membership expire, and move on. There's no bad paper, no administrivia to worry about, and if rejoining later comes up, there's no hassle. Rejoining after a 2b requires action from a higher echelon, and can get messy.
Doesn't really answer the question. Not asking for advice on whether or not to 2B for attendance. I'm asking if it's easy to rejoin, and with another unit, after a 2B for attendance since it's automatic, unappealable.
Now, if what you're saying is true and rejoining following an attendance 2B requires action from Wing (or NHQ?), that sort of answers my question. But is that scenario truly the case and can you or someone else point me to a regulation that says this?
Quote from: CAPCom on September 28, 2022, 05:42:36 AMIf a cadet tries to rejoin after receiving a 2B for non-attendance, is there a waiting period before they can rejoin CAP and go to another unit? Or can they just rejoin right away?
The only waiting period would be the same as if they are joining normally--3 meetings (CAPR 39-2, 2.2.8 ). If a cadet is terminated automatically, it is not a negative impact on their record. The only time it comes into play is if a cadet is terminated for misconduct (CAPR 39-2, 2.2.7).
There is no set time limit in the regulations, because when you get kicked out you don't generally want to come right back in. Additionally, when a member who has been 2B'd reapplies for membership, their application will be flagged at NHQ, which causes national to ask more questions of the unit and wing leadership.
That said, failure to maintain an interest in the program as not misconduct or cause as defined in CAPR 35-3, and so there would likely be little push back from leadership at any level. So if the cadet wanted to rejoin the following week somewhere else he probably could. Which brings us back to SarDragon's question, if you think that this cadet is just going to rejoin somewhere else, why are you 2B'ing the cadet instead of just transferring the cadet? If they really have lost interest and just aren't responding to any communication, then just let the membership expire instead of causing more headaches and paperwork.
Some units have the mistaken belief that keeping people on the rolls until their membership expires "hurts" the unit. So they get rid of the "dead wood". ::)
Quote from: jeders on September 28, 2022, 04:32:21 PMwhen a member who has been 2B'd reapplies for membership, their application will be flagged at NHQ, which causes national to ask more questions of the unit and wing leadership.
Thank you for the helpful response.
Shouldn't be a problem unless the 2B had been punitive or the result of not meeting membership requirements.
I've had a cadet 2Bd for attendance at squadron A rejoin squadron B less than a year later and no flag/questions/etc were asked by NHQ. Just popped him back up with his old CAPID and achievements.
Quote from: MSG Mac on September 29, 2022, 06:53:32 AMShouldn't be a problem unless the 2B had been punitive or the result of not meeting membership requirements.
This right here. "2B" is just lingo for the CAPF 2B. The CAPF 2B is a form that can be used for any reason to terminate a membership. It's not just for Disciplinary Reasons. If the member was terminated for Cause, they have certain appeals rights that need to occur within a specified time period or it becomes a permanent termination.