I am looking for some guidance from a PDO on how to submit/apply AF PME for CAP credit. I looked in CAPR 50-17 Attachment 2 and it seems simple enough, I just need advice on how to apply it to the new system and/or the grandfather clause. It would be for a 1st Lt with a DOR prior to 14 August 2014 who has completed the Officer Basic Course, TIG, a Technician Rating, and the following AF PME:
Airman Leadership School
AF NCO Academy
Senior Enlisted Joint Professional Military Education I
Any advice would be appreciated...
Send documentation (email attachment is fine) to the Registar at National. Or Professional Development folks there.
Have them complete SLS
Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC
NCO academy most likely won't go for RSC. Per CAPR 50-17 CAP Senior Member Professional Development Program:
QuoteAttachment 2–Military Education Qualifying as Equivalent to CAP Officer Basic Course, Region Staff College and National Staff College
MILITARY EDUCATION QUALIFYING AS EQUIVALENT TO CAP OFFICER BASIC COURSE, REGION STAFF COLLEGE AND NATIONAL STAFF COLLEGE
Equivalent to CAP Officer Basic Course
- Any US Armed Forces NCO Academy or equivalent, resident or correspondence
Equivalent to CAP Officer Basic Course/Region Staff College
- Any US Armed Forces Senior NCO Academy (resident or correspondence)
- USAF Squadron Officer School, USA Basic/Advance Officer Courses or USN, USMC, USCG equivalent, resident or correspondence
- All Service Academies, ROTC, OCS, or OTS
- Any US Armed Forces Command and Staff College, resident, seminar, or correspondence
- Any US Armed Forces War College, resident, seminar, or correspondence
Equivalent to National Staff College
- Any US Armed Forces Senior NCO Academy, resident or correspondence
- Any US Armed Forces Command and Staff College, resident, seminar, or correspondence
- Any US Armed Forces War College, resident, seminar, or correspondence
Scan the pme certificate of completion and email the PDF to lmmeforms@capnhq.gov with a cap I'd and course equivalent being requested
yeah, don't burn higher level PME on a weekend long course. You want to use that as equivalance for something like a week-long in-residence course.
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I was in a similar boat. I used my SNCOA for NCS and I took SOS to cover RSC. If you aren't eligible to take SOS then RSC is much easier to attend (and cheaper) than NCS>
Quote from: coudano on April 16, 2017, 12:21:19 PM
Scan the pme certificate of completion and email the PDF to lmmeforms@capnhq.gov with a cap I'd and course equivalent being requested
Doesn't always work I have been pursuing this for well over a year. Talking to NHQ directly and going through channels.
Quote from: NIN on April 16, 2017, 12:41:08 PM
yeah, don't burn higher level PME on a weekend long course. You want to use that as equivalance for something like a week-long in-residence course.
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Ok, that is what I was thinking as well and thank you for all of the suggestions. It would be best to save them for the higher level ones that seem to be more difficult to get to.
Quote from: lordmonar on April 16, 2017, 03:15:00 AM
Have them complete SLS
Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC
CLC is not waivable by PME
Quote from: Alaric on April 16, 2017, 06:39:18 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on April 16, 2017, 03:15:00 AM
Have them complete SLS
Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC
CLC is not waivable by PME
Also, based on the chart posted by Ozzy, NCO Academy won't work for RSC, either. It will work for OBC, though. The Senior NCO school can be used for EITHER RSC or NSC, but not both.
Also, how does the grandfather clause work for promotion?
Quote from: lordmonar on April 16, 2017, 03:15:00 AM
Have them complete SLS
Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC
But that SEJPME I course isn't equivalent to an Academy. It's the first of 2 SEJPME courses offered through the Joint Forces Staff College via JKO. The first is a click through the slides, the second....well, then they say 40+ hours of CBT, they mean it.
Quote from: arajca on April 16, 2017, 07:10:39 PM
Quote from: Alaric on April 16, 2017, 06:39:18 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on April 16, 2017, 03:15:00 AM
Have them complete SLS
Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC
CLC is not waivable by PME
Also, based on the chart posted by Ozzy, NCO Academy won't work for RSC, either. It will work for OBC, though. The Senior NCO school can be used for EITHER RSC or NSC, but not both.
OP said that OBC is complete and is looking to use some PME for other courses.
Quote from: THRAWN on April 17, 2017, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: arajca on April 16, 2017, 07:10:39 PM
Quote from: Alaric on April 16, 2017, 06:39:18 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on April 16, 2017, 03:15:00 AM
Have them complete SLS
Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC
CLC is not waivable by PME
Also, based on the chart posted by Ozzy, NCO Academy won't work for RSC, either. It will work for OBC, though. The Senior NCO school can be used for EITHER RSC or NSC, but not both.
OP said that OBC is complete and is looking to use some PME for other courses.
Correct...
Quote from: THRAWN on April 17, 2017, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on April 16, 2017, 03:15:00 AM
Have them complete SLS
Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC
But that SEJPME I course isn't equivalent to an Academy. It's the first of 2 SEJPME courses offered through the Joint Forces Staff College via JKO. The first is a click through the slides, the second....well, then they say 40+ hours of CBT, they mean it.
SEJPME II is no joke. 40+ hours of mostly dry and boring materail.
I am dealing with this now with a SM in my Wing. He wants to use his SNCOA to cover OBC. I have been trying to talk him out of it and to use it for RSC. He can't seem to grasp that OBC is just an online course that can be completed rather quickly and RSC is a week of time off from work.
DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!
Quote from: kwe1009 on April 17, 2017, 01:59:34 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on April 17, 2017, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on April 16, 2017, 03:15:00 AM
Have them complete SLS
Use the ALS for CLC
Use the NCO Academy for RSC
Use the Senior NCO school for NSC
But that SEJPME I course isn't equivalent to an Academy. It's the first of 2 SEJPME courses offered through the Joint Forces Staff College via JKO. The first is a click through the slides, the second....well, then they say 40+ hours of CBT, they mean it.
SEJPME II is no joke. 40+ hours of mostly dry and boring materail.
Holy mother of pearl is that an understatement! I would have rather re-done a lesson on the PPBE system. A guy in my unit is taking it now and cursing my entire family tree for suggesting it to him.
Quote from: kwe1009 on April 17, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!
Why not? I used NCOA as credit for my OBC?
Quote from: abdsp51 on April 17, 2017, 02:14:38 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on April 17, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!
Why not? I used NCOA as credit for my OBC?
Disregard. This is what I get for multitasking. I got two issues I'm dealing with confused.
Quote from: abdsp51 on April 17, 2017, 02:14:38 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on April 17, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!
Why not? I used NCOA as credit for my OBC?
I think the point that was being made is that if you do that, you can't then use it for the RSC waiver. Then if you have the SNCOA you have to use it for RSC and then you have nothing left to waive NSC.
I remember when I used to use whole words for things...
Quote from: abdsp51 on April 17, 2017, 02:14:38 PM
Quote from: kwe1009 on April 17, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
DON'T USE MILITARY TRAINING TO COVER A CAP ONLINE COURSE!!!
Why not? I used NCOA as credit for my OBC?
Did you do that in the days of the paper correspondence course? Back then, it might have been a bit more advantageous to do the substitution. Today, not so much.
Mine was done back in 2012 when I rejoined. Also NCOA cannot be used for RSC but SNCOA can be.