A possible jacket for the aviator G/W kit?

[Panache]

Happened to come across this link.  Tell me what's wrong with this picture...

http://www.aircadetonline.com/flash_site/news_cap_andy_sumner3.htm

[NC Hokie]

Happened to come across this link.  Tell me what's wrong with this picture...

http://www.aircadetonline.com/flash_site/news_cap_andy_sumner3.htm

Well, since the page was last updated in Feb 2011, my guess is that he is wearing the CSU as it was configured at the time.

[Panache]

Did the CSU allow grade slides without the "CAP" marking?

[arajca]

Did the CSU allow grade slides without the "CAP" marking?

Yes.

[Brit_in_CAP]

Happened to come across this link.  Tell me what's wrong with this picture...

http://www.aircadetonline.com/flash_site/news_cap_andy_sumner3.htm

This made me more than curious as I thought there was a piece in regs that you aren't allowed to wear the uniform in a foreign country without permission?

Then again, the regs may have changed between then and now; NHQ (politely) made the current situation clear when I visited my old squadron in 2012.

(Edited to correct the wording).

[Brit_in_CAP]

Further to my last...

Major Sumner is a regular contributor to CAPTALK, and was kind enough to welcome a fellow ex-pat both to CAPTALK and to the CAP.

Given enough time I may well be able to locate his 'handle'.

[Panache]

Well, I stand corrected then!

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

This would be a valid suggestion if the National Uniform Committee actually gave a flying darn as to what the general membership wanted.  Their actions have shown that they don't.

I find myself in agreement.

As some know, I have actually had a well-prepared, on-paper proposal ready, which I started soon after the CSU was first scrapped.  I have done many kinds of writing, from technical writing to transcription to advertising, and, honestly, I think I use the English language fairly well on-paper.  My proposal is not "the grey uniform sucks vacuum and the AF is too pigheaded to let everyone wear theirs so I've got the perfect solution."

I have not forwarded it for the exact reasons that arajca named.

Also, given that the new 39-1 will soon (?) be a reality, is there any point?

As we know, people Higher Up look at this site now and again, and this is a flawed-but-serviceable forum for them to see what is on our minds.

Whether they care is another matter entirely, of course.

[Storm Chaser]

This would be a valid suggestion if the National Uniform Committee actually gave a flying darn as to what the general membership wanted.  Their actions have shown that they don't.

I find myself in agreement.

As some know, I have actually had a well-prepared, on-paper proposal ready, which I started soon after the CSU was first scrapped.  I have done many kinds of writing, from technical writing to transcription to advertising, and, honestly, I think I use the English language fairly well on-paper.  My proposal is not "the grey uniform sucks vacuum and the AF is too pigheaded to let everyone wear theirs so I've got the perfect solution."

I have not forwarded it for the exact reasons that arajca named.

Also, given that the new 39-1 will soon (?) be a reality, is there any point?

As we know, people Higher Up look at this site now and again, and this is a flawed-but-serviceable forum for them to see what is on our minds.

Whether they care is another matter entirely, of course. (emphasis [bold] mine)

That's the problem there. Regardless of the reasons, you can't say the system doesn't work if you haven't even tried it. And even if you did sometime in the past, things change and new people take over leadership positions, so you should give them a chance to act.

Now, if you did in fact submit your proposal, what would be an indication that the system works? Your proposal may be reviewed and simply rejected. That doesn't mean the system doesn't work. It just mean they either didn't like your idea or just couldn't act on it.

Regardless, you're not even giving the system a chance. You've already decided that it doesn't work.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

If the powers-that-be do not like my ideas, I can live with that.

What I would like is an explanation why, and at least an acknowledgement that someone outside of my Squadron CC actually looked at it.

[Storm Chaser]

If the powers-that-be do not like my ideas, I can live with that.

What I would like is an explanation why, and at least an acknowledgement that someone outside of my Squadron CC actually looked at it.

I think that's fair. If I were you, I would submit the proposal and see what happens.

I admit that the current process doesn't seem efficient. With all the layers of approval within the chain of command, most uniform proposals don't make it to National. That said, if you submit it, you have a chance, even if small. But if you don't submit it, you have no chance. Again, I would take the chance.

[Shuman 14]

As a Patron member I really don't have a chain... so how do I send them a proposal?

As patron members are not authorized a uniform, there was probably not much thought put into developing a uniform proposal process for patrons.

Perhaps you can find an active member to be your surrogate for submitting a proposal.

Would it be inappropriate to send it to them directly?

[Shuman 14]

If the powers-that-be do not like my ideas, I can live with that.

What I would like is an explanation why, and at least an acknowledgement that someone outside of my Squadron CC actually looked at it.

I'd like to see your proposal, can you post it or email it to me?

[Storm Chaser]

I would like to see it too.

[PHall]

As a Patron member I really don't have a chain... so how do I send them a proposal?

As patron members are not authorized a uniform, there was probably not much thought put into developing a uniform proposal process for patrons.

Perhaps you can find an active member to be your surrogate for submitting a proposal.

Would it be inappropriate to send it to them directly?

Yes.  There is a procedure and it is even covered in the manual.

[Shuman 14]

As a Patron member I really don't have a chain... so how do I send them a proposal?

As patron members are not authorized a uniform, there was probably not much thought put into developing a uniform proposal process for patrons.

Perhaps you can find an active member to be your surrogate for submitting a proposal.

Would it be inappropriate to send it to them directly?

Yes.  There is a procedure and it is even covered in the manual.

Not the most CAP smart person here, can you post a link to the manual?

[abdsp51]

Not the most CAP smart person here, can you post a link to the manual?

Telling us we are broke, how to fix it and now asking for help.  How ironic.

[SarDragon]

Not the most CAP smart person here, can you post a link to the manual?

Telling us we are broke, how to fix it and now asking for help.  How ironic.

Sounds like we've had a Major Malfunction here. 

[Shuman 14]

Not the most CAP smart person here, can you post a link to the manual?

Telling us we are broke, how to fix it and now asking for help.  How ironic.

So when Ford puts out a 2015 model to replace the 2014 model is it because it's broke... or because it's new and improved? 

That being said if you're cool with an uniform caste system that degrades a segment of the membership based solely on physical appearance versus actual work performance... then you're not broke at all. 

[Shuman 14]

Not the most CAP smart person here, can you post a link to the manual?

Telling us we are broke, how to fix it and now asking for help.  How ironic.

Sounds like we've had a Major Malfunction here.