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Operations => Safety => Topic started by: Dutchboy on August 26, 2010, 04:43:36 PM

Title: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: Dutchboy on August 26, 2010, 04:43:36 PM
Is there any USAF or CAP regulation that says marching while in formation is unsafe or against regulations?
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: davidsinn on August 26, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: Dutchboy on August 26, 2010, 04:43:36 PM
Is there any USAF or CAP regulation that says marching while in formation is unsafe or against regulations?

You are supposed to march in formation...

If you mean march in step on stairs? That's just stupid. There are reasons "route step" is in the manual and that's one of them.
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: MSgt Van on August 26, 2010, 08:02:08 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on August 26, 2010, 04:52:41 PM

If you mean march in step on stairs? That's just stupid.

I gotta go with Capt S. on this one...
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: Dutchboy on August 26, 2010, 08:04:51 PM
yes on stairs. Sorry if i was not clear.  So route step is the command used when using stairs? Is that in the manual somewhere?
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: Dutchboy on August 26, 2010, 08:06:40 PM
Sorry, just noticed you said it was in the manual. thanks.
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: MSgt Van on August 26, 2010, 08:29:59 PM
Route Step March. The command is Route Step, MARCH. On the command MARCH, the
airman takes one more 24-inch step and assumes route step. Neither silence nor cadence is required, and movement is permitted as long as dress, cover, interval, and distance are maintained.

The only command that can be given when marching at other than attention is Incline to the Right (Left). Otherwise, the flight must be called to attention before other commands may be given.
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: lordmonar on August 26, 2010, 08:34:29 PM
To be fair both ways...

There is no regulation that says you can't march on stairs.

There is no regulation that says you have to march anywhere.

Drill on its most practical level is used to get a body of people from one place or formation into another place place or formation in the littlest amount of time...while maintaining control of those people.

Don't know exactly what you are doing.....but you can go both ways.  Do you have to march?  No....can you march if you want to? yes.

The answers to whether it is appropriate will have to be up the commander on the spot.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: RiverAux on August 26, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
Why would you want to need to have cadets march up stairs in the first place (whether in step or at route step)?  Why not, "Go upstairs to the classroom". 
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: SarDragon on August 26, 2010, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 26, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
Why would you want to need to have cadets march up stairs in the first place (whether in step or at route step)?  Why not, "Go upstairs to the classroom, quietly".

FTFY.
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: Dutchboy on August 27, 2010, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 26, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
Why would you want to need to have cadets march up stairs in the first place (whether in step or at route step)?  Why not, "Go upstairs to the classroom".
Should not assume I am talking about being inside a building. We meet on a university campus There are stairs all over campus. So to go to the field where they do PT they need to march.









Omission (Made a correction)
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: SarDragon on August 27, 2010, 01:30:45 AM
They still don't need to be in formation and trying to march down/up steps. Halt them at the top/bottom, send them down/up, and reassemble the formation at the other end. Even route step is awkward.
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: lordmonar on August 27, 2010, 01:46:35 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on August 27, 2010, 01:30:45 AM
They still don't need to be in formation and trying to march down/up steps. Halt them at the top/bottom, send them down/up, and reassemble the formation at the other end. Even route step is awkward.

At least route step lets them focus on walking and not DCID.
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: Dutchboy on August 27, 2010, 03:26:57 AM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 26, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
Why would you want to need to have cadets march up stairs in the first place (whether in step or at route step)?  Why not, "Go upstairs to the classroom".
Because I am refering to out side steps
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: lordmonar on August 27, 2010, 03:50:46 AM
Quote from: Dutchboy on August 27, 2010, 03:26:57 AM
Quote from: RiverAux on August 26, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
Why would you want to need to have cadets march up stairs in the first place (whether in step or at route step)?  Why not, "Go upstairs to the classroom".
Because I am refering to out side steps
We got that the first time you said it.  :(
Title: Re: Marching while on Stairway
Post by: tsrup on August 27, 2010, 08:21:14 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on August 26, 2010, 04:52:41 PMIf you mean march in step on stairs? That's just stupid.

Ever been on a color guard  ;)

OP-
Use route step. 
Route step is intended for adverse terrain or extended march.  I think stairs qualify as "adverse".