A certain CAP campus at an airport has a hangar and a main building. The main building has a meeting room, offices for various posts like wing commander, air boss, ground boss, etc., and a communications room.
This might be called an emergency operations center (EOC), but if I understand ICS correctly, it's only an EOC during an ICS incident, and only after it has been designated as such by the IC or the authorized subordinate.
I see the term "mission base" thrown around, but I don't know what regulation or manual says what is and isn't a mission base. I also don't know if a building can be a mission base 365 days a year, or only during a mission.
There was another term I've heard, but I can't remember it exactly.
So what should I call the building, or the campus, when no mission or incident is in progress?
Command Post, Headquarters, tactical operations center. Few off the top of my head
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The CAP building, which is probably what everybody else on the airport calls it.
Quote from: grunt82abn on February 28, 2018, 04:39:21 PM
Command Post, Headquarters, tactical operations center. Few off the top of my head
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"Command post" is clearly inconsistent with ICS. The command post is where the IC is. If there is no incident in progress, there is no IC, and therefor no command post.
During our most recent mission, the IC was a state police sergeant, and the command post was his cruiser.
Incident Command Post is what we call it during an actual emergency, and that's where the IC should be, at least that's what we called it at our last big fire. This is clearly in line with ICS.
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Quote from: Geber on February 28, 2018, 04:36:23 PM
So what should I call the building, or the campus, when no mission or incident is in progress?
A building...........or whatever you want. Call it the CAP building, Squadron/Wing headquarters, Building 1, Building 2, EOC, ICP, TOC, or whatever. This is not rocket science. No need to put more than 5 seconds of thought into this. Move your time to more important matters.
You could name it after a notable personage. Perhaps the "The Abe Froman Center for Volunteer Excellence."
Or something similar.
QuoteThis might be called an emergency operations center (EOC), but if I understand ICS correctly, it's only an EOC during an ICS
From the FEMA ICS glossary:
Emergency Operations Centers (EOCs): The physical location at which the coordination of information and resources to support domestic incident management activities normally takes place. An EOC may be a temporary facility or may be located in a more central or permanently established facility, perhaps at a higher level of organization within a jurisdiction. EOCs may be organized by major functional disciplines (e.g., fire, law enforcement, and medical services), by jurisdiction (e.g., Federal, State, regional, county, city, tribal), or some combination thereof.
Incident Command Post (ICP): The FIELD location where the primary ICS functions are performed. The ICP may be co-located with the Incident Base or other incident facilities.
Mike
You guys are waaayyyyyy over thinking this.
Quote from: Ned on February 28, 2018, 09:37:53 PM
You could name it after a notable personage. Perhaps the "The Abe Froman Center for Volunteer Excellence."
Or something similar.
I just caught onto this!!![emoji23]🤣[emoji23] Sausage King of Chicago
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Quote from: PHall on February 28, 2018, 11:11:01 PM
You guys are waaayyyyyy over thinking this.
During Tropical Storm Irene both the Rutland Vermont state police barracks (which was a 911 answering point and dispatch center) and the state EOC 75 miles away were flooded and had to be evacuated. So there was a ton of radio traffic about the actual, improvised EOC vs. the flooded EOC (which was now part of the problem). So my concern is anything but hypothetical. I was not a member of CAP at the time, but was quite busy with amateur radio and the Red Cross.
[Name of the airport] Headquarters, or [Name of the airport] Base. Simple.
Quote from: Geber on February 28, 2018, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: grunt82abn on February 28, 2018, 04:39:21 PM
Command Post, Headquarters, tactical operations center. Few off the top of my head
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"Command post" is clearly inconsistent with ICS. The command post is where the IC is. If there is no incident in progress, there is no IC, and therefor no command post.
During our most recent mission, the IC was a state police sergeant, and the command post was his cruiser.
I have been the IC in a Police role many times where the CP was my shoes.
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You could always just call it "George."
Jack
Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on March 01, 2018, 07:04:03 AM
Quote from: Geber on February 28, 2018, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: grunt82abn on February 28, 2018, 04:39:21 PM
Command Post, Headquarters, tactical operations center. Few off the top of my head
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"Command post" is clearly inconsistent with ICS. The command post is where the IC is. If there is no incident in progress, there is no IC, and therefor no command post.
During our most recent mission, the IC was a state police sergeant, and the command post was his cruiser.
I have been the IC in a Police role many times where the CP was my shoes.
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I hear you! It's usually the chiefs buggy for us
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A Command Post (CP) is not necessarily reflective of an Incident Command Post. The term "Command Post" applies to the controlling center for command activities, such as an Operational Command Post, a Contingency Command Post, Headquarters Command Post, etc.
Ours is considered "HQ." We don't really have a designated 'command area' that 'runs the show;' however, if we did, it would be the HQCP.
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on March 01, 2018, 04:57:25 PM
A Command Post (CP) is not necessarily reflective of an Incident Command Post. The term "Command Post" applies to the controlling center for command activities, such as an Operational Command Post, a Contingency Command Post, Headquarters Command Post, etc.
Ours is considered "HQ." We don't really have a designated 'command area' that 'runs the show;' however, if we did, it would be the HQCP.
Thanks, that's a point I overlooked.
from the ICS glossary at https://training.fema.gov/emiweb/is/icsresource/assets/icsglossary.pdf (https://training.fema.gov/emiweb/is/icsresource/assets/icsglossary.pdf):
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Command Post: See Incident Command Post."
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Incident Command Post (ICP): The field location at which the primary tactical-level, on-scene incident command functions are performed. The ICP may be collocated with the incident base or other incident facilities and is normally identified by a green rotating or flashing light."
Quote from: PHall on February 28, 2018, 11:11:01 PM
You guys are waaayyyyyy over thinking this.
Agree. I would just call it the "CAP Senior Coffee House & Cadet Party Barn"
Quote from: etodd on March 01, 2018, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: PHall on February 28, 2018, 11:11:01 PM
You guys are waaayyyyyy over thinking this.
Agree. I would just call it the "CAP Senior Coffee House & Cadet Party Barn"
That's another nice one! I guess it sounds better than what we call our station #1, "The House of Hate"
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FLOP House
Remember that the Incident Command Post only becomes an ICP when there is an actual emergency or incident. And from the ICS terminology, it can be anything. It can be a nice building to a platoon latrine, excuse me.
So you are over thinking this. Just call it CAP HQ. Or CAP Building.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on March 02, 2018, 04:28:53 PM
Remember that the Incident Command Post only becomes an ICP when there is an actual emergency or incident. And from the ICS terminology, it can be anything. It can be a nice building to a platoon latrine, excuse me.
So you are over thinking this. Just call it CAP HQ. Or CAP Building.
Careful there Luis, you actually agreed with me. That's not supposed to happen! >:D
This is STILL going? How in sam hell has it not turned into a Uniform thread yet?
Quote from: Fester on March 03, 2018, 07:01:49 AM
This is STILL going? How in sam hell has it not turned into a Uniform thread yet?
The building should be named in honor of CAP receiving the AFOEA and to those who can wear the USAF-style blues.
Quote from: Geber on February 28, 2018, 04:36:23 PM
A certain CAP campus at an airport has a hangar and a main building. The main building has a meeting room, offices for various posts like wing commander, air boss, ground boss, etc., and a communications room.
This might be called an emergency operations center (EOC), but if I understand ICS correctly, it's only an EOC during an ICS incident, and only after it has been designated as such by the IC or the authorized subordinate.
I see the term "mission base" thrown around, but I don't know what regulation or manual says what is and isn't a mission base. I also don't know if a building can be a mission base 365 days a year, or only during a mission.
There was another term I've heard, but I can't remember it exactly.
So what should I call the building, or the campus, when no mission or incident is in progress?
The CAP $SQUADRONNAME Building
The $CAPGROUPNAME Center of Excellence
The Brass Cannon (Password:TANSTAAFL)
The $REGION EOC
The Coffee House
The Break Room
Quote from: Mordecai on March 03, 2018, 10:52:32 PM
The Brass Cannon (Password:TANSTAAFL)
:clap: You, sir, have won the Internet today. That tome recently passed through my reading list, for thee ump-teenth time.
You should totally call it the Tactical Operations Center, just so you can sound cool when you say "Report to the TOC". As we all know, the whole point of CAP is to look cool by applying military lingo to something even when it's completely unsuited to the situation ;)
Command Operational Center "COC" forward or main. You pick....
Quote from: CAPSOC_0pur8ur on March 05, 2018, 12:37:20 AM
You should totally call it the Tactical Operations Center, just so you can sound cool when you say "Report to the TOC". As we all know, the whole point of CAP is to look cool by applying military lingo to something even when it's completely unsuited to the situation ;)
I hear more military lingo at a CAP function than I do at work and I work for Joint Special Operations Command!
Quote from: kwe1009 on March 05, 2018, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: CAPSOC_0pur8ur on March 05, 2018, 12:37:20 AM
You should totally call it the Tactical Operations Center, just so you can sound cool when you say "Report to the TOC". As we all know, the whole point of CAP is to look cool by applying military lingo to something even when it's completely unsuited to the situation ;)
I hear more military lingo at a CAP function than I do at work and I work for Joint Special Operations Command!
Yeah, that's what happens when you combine a bunch of CoD crazed cadets with a bunch of military retirees who egg them on because it reminds them of the "glory days" ::)
I predict that, eventually, it will be known to outsiders as simply "The CAP building" and to CAP members as "the building."
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Call it the DFAC. Everyone will always show up on time if you say, "Meet me at the DFAC."
If you were at this building and were ordering a pizza from Domino's, how would you describe the building?
"The CAP building" works for me. Simple and just about everybody can understand what you're talking about!
Pshhhh, just tell the pizza guy to bring it to the TOC. He'll figure it out eventually >:D
Quote from: CAPSOC_0pur8ur on March 06, 2018, 03:34:53 AM
Pshhhh, just tell the pizza guy to bring it to the TOC. He'll figure it out eventually >:D
Hope you like cold pizza! >:D
It beats MREs lol
We just call ours the Squadron Building and that's that.
Quote from: SarDragon on March 03, 2018, 11:23:35 PM
Quote from: Mordecai on March 03, 2018, 10:52:32 PM
The Brass Cannon (Password:TANSTAAFL)
:clap: You, sir, have won the Internet today. That tome recently passed through my reading list, for thee ump-teenth time.
Outstanding! I love the sound of RAH in the morning...