How does one become a region Commander

[flyguy06]

oK, CAPR 35-9 Talks about appointing and the requirements for a Wing Commander. But what are the requirements for region Commander and what is the process?

[RogueLeader]

Pretty much same for Wing CC. Also need to know CAP/CC, plus a lot of "spare" time, and patience.

[Duke Dillio]

Don't forget money.  You gotta have quite a bit of money to be a region commander.

[shorning]

Don't forget money.  You gotta have quite a bit of money to be a region commander.

Same is true for Wing Commanders...

[SJFedor]

Bachelors, Masters, or Doctorate in posterior oraface kissing. 

/sarcasm

Actually, next time I bump into the SER/CC, I'll ask.

[Cecil DP]

Must be a former Wing Commander and than the rest is the Wing Commander requirements.

Region Commander notifies the NEC and National Commander that he/she wants to
leave, (many times it's just the opposite). National Commander solicits nominations from within the Region and recommendations from the outgoing Region Commander. Than selects the new commander. (At least that's the way it's supposed to work).

Note: Often the Region Vice Commander is not a former Wing Commander. He is ineligible for consideration.

[isuhawkeye]

Mike,

Many of the recently appointed region commanders have had no command experience

[A.Member]

Must play well with others...particularly those up the chain from you.  Sheep are welcome, preferred even.   

[Grumpy]

Mike,

Many of the recently appointed region commanders have had no command experience

The current CA/CC has had no command experience or even taken the UCC which you must complete within one year of appointment. 

[Cecil DP]

Mike,

Many of the recently appointed region commanders have had no command experience

I was using the criteria published under the NEC minutes

BofG Meeting 6 Dec 206

MAJ GEN PINEDA also briefed a selection process for wing and region commanders,
which outlined the following criteria: (1) Applicants for region or wing command will sign
a waiver to allow a background check, if required. (2) A board of three CAP members
(selected by the National Commander) will convene, review applications and offer a
ranked order. (3) A background check will be run on their number one candidate
(database criminal record search including financial and traffic). (4) If this individual
"passes" the check, this appointee may be considered for position, pending National
Commander final approval. (5) If appointee fails a background check, the selection
board will recommend the next candidate for National Commander approval.

I know I've seen something in writing the criteria I posted in the first response, but can't find it in the regs or minutes of the BofG, NEC, or National Board.

[Galahad]

Must play well with others...particularly those up the chain from you.  Sheep are welcome, preferred even.   

Sheep yes, but no sheepdogs need apply.  When the wolves come to molest the herd it's every CC for himself.   

[Skyray]

I am a little concerned just when the National Commander became so involved in the choice of Wing Commanders.  My recollection of the days of yore was that it was the Region Commanders prerogative to select his Wing Commanders.  When did that change?  I know it was one of the charges that Bowling brought against Bergman when Bergman caught Pineda with his hand in the cookie jar and relieved him.  And pretty much the first thing Bowling did when he got the chance was reappoint Pineda.  He even delayed getting sworn in as National Vice until after he had proved his manhood intact by reappointing Pineda.  And all you Wing Kings that are still around, remember the nasty things that Bowling had to say about Bergman at the closed meeting where you took away Bergman's star.

[shorning]

Mike,

Many of the recently appointed region commanders have had no command experience

The current CA/CC has had no command experience or even taken the UCC which you must complete within one year of appointment. 

Emphasis mine:  You'll need to cite your source on that one.  While it's been mentioned at a couple board meetings, I haven't seen any policy letter issued mandating the training.  Perhaps it is just your wing.

[Duke Dillio]

I'd also point out that the current CAWG CC was appointed less than one year ago.  I think it has only been about 3 months now or something like that since he came in.

I was going to say that when the RMR CC was selected, we all got an email for self-nominations.  A board was convened to review the selections and a commander was recommended but I don't know who selected the members of the board.  Come to think of it, that's all I remember about the selection process...

[Grumpy]

Hmmm, you may be correct.  I've heard it so much that I thought it was a national requirement.  I was required to take it when I was a squadron commander.  I'll research it and get back to you.

[Grumpy]

OK, I checked.  It was a California requirement listed in CAWG Policy Letter 02-03.  However, that letter has been rescinded and the requirement is now in Pacific Region Supp 1 to CAPR 35-1.

[bosshawk]

Grumpy: hate to rain on your parade, again, but I think that you have a lapse in accurate data about the current CAWG CC.  He has been in CAP since he was a cadet and has commanded numerous squadrons: probably never a Group.  I know about the Sqs, I asked him.  He has passed level 5, so he isn't exactly a newbie.

Regards.

[Chappie]

Grumpy: hate to rain on your parade, again, but I think that you have a lapse in accurate data about the current CAWG CC.  He has been in CAP since he was a cadet and has commanded numerous squadrons: probably never a Group.  I know about the Sqs, I asked him.  He has passed level 5, so he isn't exactly a newbie.

Regards.

He may well have passed Level 5 and been a cadet, however, I have Unit Commander Rosters and Wing Staff Rosters going back to 2001.  If he had commanded a squadron in the CAWG, it had to be prior to 2001.  It would be safe to say he has not commanded a squadron or a group in the CAWG nor served on the Wing HQ Staff for the 6 years prior to his appointment as the CAWG CC.

[Grumpy]

Bosshawk, you are not raining on my parade.  If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.  I appreciate that you correct me.  I was using information from individuals whom I thought were in the know.  On the other hand, I DO know what a ruckus he caused when he was not allowed to start up a squadron in the San Diego area under his own demands.

[bosshawk]

Grumpy: yes, I have heard the same rumor about Col Muniz' attempt to start a Sq in the San Diego area.  That is water under the bridge at this point.  He is the Wing Commander and is all of our responsibility to try to support the man in a very difficult position and time.  If he fails, let him do it on his own merit.  Likewise, if he succeeds, give him the due credit for the job.  I chose to support him until he proves to me that I am wrong.

I have never commanded a Group in CAP, but I have had jobs in the real world where I exercised responsibility for more than 450 people at one time and I commanded Companies in the Army.  Being a Group or Wing Commander in CAP is not a fun job nor one that is easy.  I liken either of those jobs as being similar to herding cats.

[Grumpy]

Sir,

I stand, or sit, corrected as the case may be.  Please accept my apologies.  After 29 years in law enforcement I tend to be a bit judgemental.  I promise that I will try to abide by you standard and let the man either succeed or fail by himself.

[SAR-EMT1]

 
Being a Group or Wing Commander in CAP is not a fun job nor one that is easy.  I liken either of those jobs as being similar to herding cats.

Sir, you made me chuckle. I am reminded of a certain Super Bowl Commercial several years ago. Cat herding has never been more manly.

[JC004]

 
Being a Group or Wing Commander in CAP is not a fun job nor one that is easy.  I liken either of those jobs as being similar to herding cats.

Sir, you made me chuckle. I am reminded of a certain Super Bowl Commercial several years ago. Cat herding has never been more manly.

Cat herding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8

[Duke Dillio]

I think this one's funnier.  Could be some unmentioned person at a National Board or something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHGygtOGsM

[JC004]

I think this one's funnier.  Could be some unmentioned person at a National Board or something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHGygtOGsM

ah, that one is pretty great.

and our new ad for our More than Meets the Skies slogan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut5fFyTkKv4

[Duke Dillio]

I think this one's funnier.  Could be some unmentioned person at a National Board or something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHGygtOGsM

ah, that one is pretty great.

and our new ad for our More than Meets the Skies slogan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut5fFyTkKv4

Dude, that video is whack...

[JC004]

I think this one's funnier.  Could be some unmentioned person at a National Board or something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHGygtOGsM

ah, that one is pretty great.

and our new ad for our More than Meets the Skies slogan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut5fFyTkKv4

Dude, that video is whack...

I was trying to find a decent transformers video for us.  I did watch the pilot episode online last night, though.

[Duke Dillio]

how about this as our new PA video...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=akNJ6S2UqsE

[sandman]

Bosshawk, you are not raining on my parade.  If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.  I appreciate that you correct me.  I was using information from individuals whom I thought were in the know.  On the other hand, I DO know what a ruckus he caused when he was not allowed to start up a squadron in the San Diego area under his own demands.

Was this the one at Brown Field?

[Grumpy]

That's the one.

[Duke Dillio]

Oooo, do tell.  I always love gossip.  What happened?

[shorning]

Oooo, do tell.  I always love gossip.  What happened?

We don't really need to perpetuate gossip here on the forum.  If you really feel the need, take it to PM.  Geesh...it's as bad a high school around here!

[Capt.karl]

Take tests for a future National Commander!

-Aparently thats still the easiest way!