The Cascadia Rising Exercise in OR and WA is coming soon: June 7th - 10th. Is CAP participating? It might be a good opportunity for other wings & regions to listen on HF and relay messages if needed. Good practice!
Here's an article about amateur radio support for the exercise. The write-up has some good non-FOUO scoop.
http://www.arrl.org/news/amateur-radio-to-play-major-role-in-june-pacific-northwest-earthquake-exercise (http://www.arrl.org/news/amateur-radio-to-play-major-role-in-june-pacific-northwest-earthquake-exercise)
Potential for magnitude 9+ earthquake...wow.
Yes, CAP is participating. I know that Col Rushing (former TNWG/CC, SER/CC and current FEMA Liaison) has been working a lot on it.
Meh...talk to us when the lower part of your state liquefies...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone
A Google search on "Cascadia Rising CAP" turns up a CAP NHQ PowerPoint presentation near the top of the results. The file is too big to attach here.
Mike
But the link isn't:
http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Ardent_Sentry_16__CAP_National_Conf_79DFA519E8A36.pptx (http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Ardent_Sentry_16__CAP_National_Conf_79DFA519E8A36.pptx)
Quote from: Eclipse on May 26, 2016, 02:09:59 PM
Meh...talk to us when the lower part of your state liquefies...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone
That is so 2011...
Quote from: Eclipse on May 26, 2016, 02:09:59 PM
Meh...talk to us when the lower part of your state liquefies...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone
TNWG has been working on that for as long as I've been a member, and it is one of our primary focal points with respect to DR training and tasking. We have an exercise with the TN National Guard next month as a matter of fact.
So does anyone know, since many of Washington and Oregon Wings personnel will not be able to access the required facilities for SAR and IC operations, Will other wings (ie Idaho, Arizona, New Mexico, etc...) be able to help and be dispatched by the AFRCC? I know we can help by radio with dispatch style nets and the such but is there other ways we can help like flying sorties?
If it breaks in a bad way, there won't be a TNWG. When the lower 1/2 of IL liquefies, TN is the drain.
(http://www.rightsidenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/New-Madrid-Fault-Earthquake-Zone.jpg)
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Pictured: Jackson MS Police search storm drain for Tennessee residents.
On the upside, bye-bye Indiana. Never been a fan.
This is one of those "big ones" that is often discussed and drilled, as much as it could be. It's difficult to do an earthquake drill and have to use notional "damage" that would impact the way the planet spins. I was involved in an exercise, multi state/wing/agency, about 15 years ago or so. One of the take aways that was stressed was that first response time would be measured in days if not weeks. The knees bone's connected to the head bone...when the hole opens, it's going to literally have a ripple effect across the continent.
Quote from: Eclipse on May 26, 2016, 06:11:53 PM
If it breaks in a bad way, there won't be a TNWG. When the lower 1/2 of IL liquefies, TN is the drain.
(http://www.rightsidenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/New-Madrid-Fault-Earthquake-Zone.jpg)
(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/558af9506da811c65c54018d-1196-882/lake-texoma-vortex-2.png)
(http://wbtv.images.worldnow.com/images/10621158_G.png)
Pictured: Jackson MS Police search storm drain for Tennessee residents.
Our damage estimates, along with USGS, aren't quite that bad. Memphis International Airport for example is spec'd to survive a 7.2, Nashville east (which is where the TNWG centre of gravity is) will survive quite nicely thank you, and we'll be in the air in an hour providing damage reports.
Quote from: JeffDG on May 26, 2016, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 26, 2016, 06:11:53 PM
If it breaks in a bad way, there won't be a TNWG. When the lower 1/2 of IL liquefies, TN is the drain.
(http://www.rightsidenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/New-Madrid-Fault-Earthquake-Zone.jpg)
(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/558af9506da811c65c54018d-1196-882/lake-texoma-vortex-2.png)
(http://wbtv.images.worldnow.com/images/10621158_G.png)
Pictured: Jackson MS Police search storm drain for Tennessee residents.
Our damage estimates, along with USGS, aren't quite that bad. Memphis International Airport for example is spec'd to survive a 7.2, Nashville east (which is where the TNWG centre of gravity is) will survive quite nicely thank you, and we'll be in the air in an hour providing damage reports.
Wouldn't be the first time a US gummint agency has been wrong. As for the rest, what are tomorrow's lotto numbers? Even the "best" predictions and forecasts have been way off. Take Sandy for instance...or Iraq...
Quote from: C/SrA Ravlin on May 26, 2016, 06:07:50 PM
So does anyone know, since many of Washington and Oregon Wings personnel will not be able to access the required facilities for SAR and IC operations,
First I heard of this...
Quote
Will other wings (ie Idaho, Arizona, New Mexico, etc...) be able to help and be dispatched by the AFRCC? I know we can help by radio with dispatch style nets and the such but is there other ways we can help like flying sorties?
IDWG is on the list of participating agencies in the CSZ exercise.
Our annual exercises here in CAWG (AF observed and in-house alternating) are frequently earthquake oriented. A typical scenario is for the "event" to be in one part of the state, with the corresponding loss of capability, and responses from the other parts of the state. This tests both far away responses, and local simulated "digging out" from the event.
As for the earthquake map, there was a quake on Easter Sunday in 2010 was 130 miles from my house, and we shook a noticeable amount. In overall intensity, it was stronger than the Loma Prieta (World Series 1989), which we also experienced, 30 miles away.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/April_2010_Baja_California_earthquake_intensity_USGS.jpg)
This is from USGS, and is a rolling 168 hour map, covering a 2 degree by 2 degree area. My house is right by the 33 degree triangle in the center of the west edge of the map. As the week went on, the "jiggle count", as I called it, went over 2000, and didn't get below 500 for several weeks. Most of the follow-on jiggles were on the fault lines up and to the left of the big blue square.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Usgs_201004041854.png)
Here's a link to the current map of the same area. (http://scedc.caltech.edu/recent/Maps/116-33.html) Jiggle count =152, at 1600, 26 May 2016.
Quote from: THRAWN on May 26, 2016, 03:28:35 PM
But the link isn't:
http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Ardent_Sentry_16__CAP_National_Conf_79DFA519E8A36.pptx (http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Ardent_Sentry_16__CAP_National_Conf_79DFA519E8A36.pptx)
Thanks SADAK and Thrawn for the info and the link.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 26, 2016, 11:28:30 PM
Our annual exercises here in CAWG (AF observed and in-house alternating) are frequently earthquake oriented. A typical scenario is for the "event" to be in one part of the state, with the corresponding loss of capability, and responses from the other parts of the state. This tests both far away responses, and local simulated "digging out" from the event.
As for the earthquake map, there was a quake on Easter Sunday in 2010 was 130 miles from my house, and we shook a noticeable amount. In overall intensity, it was stronger than the Loma Prieta (World Series 1989), which we also experienced, 30 miles away.
This is from USGS, and is a rolling 168 hour map, covering a 2 degree by 2 degree area. My house is right by the 33 degree triangle in the center of the west edge of the map. As the week went on, the "jiggle count", as I called it, went over 2000, and didn't get below 500 for several weeks. Most of the follow-on jiggles were on the fault lines up and to the left of the big blue square.
Here's a link to the current map of the same area. (http://scedc.caltech.edu/recent/Maps/116-33.html) Jiggle count =152, at 1600, 26 May 2016.
Good info. Growing up in So Cal, earthquake preparedness was my intro to public safety and volunteer work. That turned into lots of time working in law enforcement, plus volunteering with CAP, and ARES/RACES.
At any rate, I posed the initial question out of curiosity, only to see if opportunity exists for HF operators to be helpful during Cascadia Rising / Ardent Sentry. Practice is
usually a good thing 8)
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How many times are you going to move that antenna? Would you just get in here and answer your cell phone!
Quote from: Eclipse on June 07, 2016, 02:48:50 PM
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That tee shirt and ball cap should be arrested for impersonating a highlighter.
Quote from: SarDragon on May 26, 2016, 11:28:30 PM
Our annual exercises here in CAWG (AF observed and in-house alternating) are frequently earthquake oriented. A typical scenario is for the "event" to be in one part of the state, with the corresponding loss of capability, and responses from the other parts of the state. This tests both far away responses, and local simulated "digging out" from the event.
As for the earthquake map, there was a quake on Easter Sunday in 2010 was 130 miles from my house, and we shook a noticeable amount. In overall intensity, it was stronger than the Loma Prieta (World Series 1989), which we also experienced, 30 miles away.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/April_2010_Baja_California_earthquake_intensity_USGS.jpg)
This is from USGS, and is a rolling 168 hour map, covering a 2 degree by 2 degree area. My house is right by the 33 degree triangle in the center of the west edge of the map. As the week went on, the "jiggle count", as I called it, went over 2000, and didn't get below 500 for several weeks. Most of the follow-on jiggles were on the fault lines up and to the left of the big blue square.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Usgs_201004041854.png)
Here's a link to the current map of the same area. (http://scedc.caltech.edu/recent/Maps/116-33.html) Jiggle count =152, at 1600, 26 May 2016.
Thanks for sharing the link!!! Awesome information provided, might use this idea for next semesters GIS project
Quote from: Starfleet Auxiliary on May 26, 2016, 08:32:56 PM
Quote from: C/SrA Ravlin on May 26, 2016, 06:07:50 PM
So does anyone know, since many of Washington and Oregon Wings personnel will not be able to access the required facilities for SAR and IC operations,
First I heard of this...
Quote
Will other wings (ie Idaho, Arizona, New Mexico, etc...) be able to help and be dispatched by the AFRCC? I know we can help by radio with dispatch style nets and the such but is there other ways we can help like flying sorties?
IDWG is on the list of participating agencies in the CSZ exercise.
It's on slide 18. It makes sense. If the fist of the almighty smashes the northwest, CAP assets in the disaster zone will be hard pressed to make an effective showing.
Quote from: THRAWN on June 08, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Starfleet Auxiliary on May 26, 2016, 08:32:56 PM
Quote from: C/SrA Ravlin on May 26, 2016, 06:07:50 PM
So does anyone know, since many of Washington and Oregon Wings personnel will not be able to access the required facilities for SAR and IC operations,
First I heard of this...
Quote
Will other wings (ie Idaho, Arizona, New Mexico, etc...) be able to help and be dispatched by the AFRCC? I know we can help by radio with dispatch style nets and the such but is there other ways we can help like flying sorties?
IDWG is on the list of participating agencies in the CSZ exercise.
It's on slide 18. It makes sense. If the fist of the almighty smashes the northwest, CAP assets in the disaster zone will be hard pressed to make an effective showing.
So will DoD in general. Sort of like the San Diego wildfires a few years back. They sent DoD firefighter from the east coast and midwest to help back fill bases affected during that crisis
Quote from: grunt82abn on June 08, 2016, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on June 08, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Starfleet Auxiliary on May 26, 2016, 08:32:56 PM
Quote from: C/SrA Ravlin on May 26, 2016, 06:07:50 PM
So does anyone know, since many of Washington and Oregon Wings personnel will not be able to access the required facilities for SAR and IC operations,
First I heard of this...
Quote
Will other wings (ie Idaho, Arizona, New Mexico, etc...) be able to help and be dispatched by the AFRCC? I know we can help by radio with dispatch style nets and the such but is there other ways we can help like flying sorties?
IDWG is on the list of participating agencies in the CSZ exercise.
It's on slide 18. It makes sense. If the fist of the almighty smashes the northwest, CAP assets in the disaster zone will be hard pressed to make an effective showing.
So will DoD in general. Sort of like the San Diego wildfires a few years back. They sent DoD firefighter from the east coast and midwest to help back fill bases affected during that crisis
Exactly. When local assets are overwhelmed or unable to respond, get the mutual aid agreements moving.
Quote from: THRAWN on June 08, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
If the fist of the almighty smashes the northwest...
Won't anyone think of the hipsters?
The logistics of bringing in fixie bicycles and artisan water alone make your head spin.
On the plus side, most CAP technology, not to mention members, would fall squarely in the "steampunk" lane,
so would integrate well with the local populace.
Hm. That complicates the CAP disaster airlift picture, doesn't it?
Wonder what the weight and balance would look like on GA-8's loaded out with cases of PBR and vapes.
On the serious side, I had half my unit homeless in St. Louis in 93, and I still want to publicly thank the 37 other Wings that sent aircrews, staff, and GTs to aid us - Warren and Robin Vest from MDWG came, for example, and I later enjoyed serving with them when I moved there. We're really one great, interdependent crowd when it really drops in the pot. Yet, I so wish we actually planned and spent our training money to train for such events, rather than piss it away in drips and drabs on boring holes in local skies in small, skills-only exercises rather than a couple of large multi Wing drills of actual preplans.
V/R
Spam
Correction - not half, more like 20 percent, on reflection. It seemed like more at the time.
Spam
Quote from: Eclipse on June 08, 2016, 05:53:19 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on June 08, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
If the fist of the almighty smashes the northwest...
Won't anyone think of the hipsters?
The logistics of bringing in fixie bicycles and artisan water alone make your head spin.
On the plus side, most CAP technology, not to mention members, would fall squarely in the "steampunk" lane,
so would integrate well with the local populace.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
The sheer numbers of people disabled by Internet/Matrix withdrawals might make the region resemble an episode of The Walking Dead. On a related note, is there a strategic Starbucks reserve? This could be BAD. :o
Quote from: THRAWN on May 26, 2016, 06:41:31 PM
On the upside, bye-bye Indiana. Never been a fan.
This is one of those "big ones" that is often discussed and drilled, as much as it could be. It's difficult to do an earthquake drill and have to use notional "damage" that would impact the way the planet spins. I was involved in an exercise, multi state/wing/agency, about 15 years ago or so. One of the take aways that was stressed was that first response time would be measured in days if not weeks. The knees bone's connected to the head bone...when the hole opens, it's going to literally have a ripple effect across the continent.
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Here's a different view. It was about 52 miles from my house, which is at the 33 degree blue triangle on the left.
It was a substantial jiggle, of short duration. There was a dull rumble for a couple of seconds, a slight pause, and then the main temblor. It rattled the china cabinet doors, and spooked the kitteh. My Sweetie slept through it.
Yeah, I got my 0104 wake up call too. Was back asleep by 0120.