I don't think this is allowed...

Started by Extremepredjudice, April 10, 2012, 05:22:34 AM

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Extremepredjudice

My squadron's C/CC has made the proclamation that review boards shall not be taken on PT night, unless you wear BDUs or blues.

I'm fairly certain he can't say this.

Would I need him to fill out a CAPF50-2, and scan and send a copy to an IG?
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Spaceman3750

Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 05:22:34 AM
My squadron's C/CC has made the proclamation that review boards shall not be taken on PT night, unless you wear BDUs or blues.

I'm fairly certain he can't say this.

Would I need him to fill out a CAPF50-2, and scan and send a copy to an IG?

Setting the schedule is entirely within his power.

lordmonar

Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 05:22:34 AM
My squadron's C/CC has made the proclamation that review boards shall not be taken on PT night, unless you wear BDUs or blues.

I'm fairly certain he can't say this.

Would I need him to fill out a CAPF50-2, and scan and send a copy to an IG?
Which part do you think he can't do?

Hold Review Boards?
Schedule Review Boards?
Dictate Uniforms for the review boards?

What's a CAPF 50 got to do with an IG complaint?

PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

PA Guy

Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 05:22:34 AM
My squadron's C/CC has made the proclamation that review boards shall not be taken on PT night, unless you wear BDUs or blues.

I'm fairly certain he can't say this.

Would I need him to fill out a CAPF50-2, and scan and send a copy to an IG?

And why do you think he can't say that??

Extremepredjudice

Quote from: lordmonar on April 10, 2012, 05:39:14 AM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 05:22:34 AM
My squadron's C/CC has made the proclamation that review boards shall not be taken on PT night, unless you wear BDUs or blues.

I'm fairly certain he can't say this.

Would I need him to fill out a CAPF50-2, and scan and send a copy to an IG?
Which part do you think he can't do?

Hold Review Boards?
Schedule Review Boards?
Dictate Uniforms for the review boards?

What's a CAPF 50 got to do with an IG complaint?


All 3, he is a cadet. He should mind his own business. 

CAPF50 would be my proof. 
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Spaceman3750

Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 06:28:17 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on April 10, 2012, 05:39:14 AM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 05:22:34 AM
My squadron's C/CC has made the proclamation that review boards shall not be taken on PT night, unless you wear BDUs or blues.

I'm fairly certain he can't say this.

Would I need him to fill out a CAPF50-2, and scan and send a copy to an IG?
Which part do you think he can't do?

Hold Review Boards?
Schedule Review Boards?
Dictate Uniforms for the review boards?

What's a CAPF 50 got to do with an IG complaint?


All 3, he is a cadet. He should mind his own business. 

CAPF50 would be my proof.

Proof of WHAT exactly?

abdsp51

The form 50 is a feedback form that is used to evaluate cadets and is required if you use a promotion boards for promotion purposes. 

The C/CC can determine the nightly schedule, schedule.participate in the review boards and determine what uniform is to be worn for
boards. 

What about these aspects are upsetting you?

PA Guy

If the Sqdn CC or Dep for Cadets has delegated this to him he can say it.  It is part of leadership training.

If you think this rises to the level of an IG complaint you must not get out much.  This is an issue that should be resolved in the unit.

lordmonar

Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 06:28:17 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on April 10, 2012, 05:39:14 AM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 05:22:34 AM
My squadron's C/CC has made the proclamation that review boards shall not be taken on PT night, unless you wear BDUs or blues.

I'm fairly certain he can't say this.

Would I need him to fill out a CAPF50-2, and scan and send a copy to an IG?
Which part do you think he can't do?

Hold Review Boards?
Schedule Review Boards?
Dictate Uniforms for the review boards?

What's a CAPF 50 got to do with an IG complaint?


All 3, he is a cadet. He should mind his own business. 

CAPF50 would be my proof.
You obviously don't understand the cadet program or military chain of command.
My suggestion would be to get over it.  If you think something is wrong take it to the the CDC or the CC.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

Extremepredjudice

Quote from: abdsp51 on April 10, 2012, 06:38:30 AM
The form 50 is a feedback form that is used to evaluate cadets and is required if you use a promotion boards for promotion purposes. 

The C/CC can determine the nightly schedule, schedule.participate in the review boards and determine what uniform is to be worn for
boards. 

What about these aspects are upsetting you?
It is ridiculous. He allows some cadets review boards, and others not.
Quote from: PA Guy on April 10, 2012, 06:44:12 AM
If the Sqdn CC or Dep for Cadets has delegated this to him he can say it.  It is part of leadership training.

If you think this rises to the level of an IG complaint you must not get out much.  This is an issue that should be resolved in the unit.
So is it resolved when the squadron commander stares blankly at you? Explain this to me. Not to be rude, I just don't get it?

QuoteProof of WHAT exactly?
Proof he wouldn't allow me to take my review board for the sole reason of not having uniform X on, even though uniform Y was perscribed. You have to prove things in order to make a case for yourself. You can't just say stuff and have to evidence.
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PA Guy

You don't get it because you don't want too.  Get over it.  Deal.  Based on what you have said no CAPR has been broken.

AngelWings

Bring both uniform X and Y then. I've had a board when applied for Flight Sgt. on a PT night and I brought my blues and changed out after I was done PT'ing. Problem solved.

manfredvonrichthofen

It was the same way WIWAC, it's not wrong, you may not agree with it, but it is just unit protocall. Don't get overly upset about it, it's not a big issue in the grand scheme.

EMT-83

If you do send this to the IG, would you please post his reply here for all to see?

N Harmon

Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 08:02:01 AM
It is ridiculous. He allows some cadets review boards, and others not.

...

Proof he wouldn't allow me to take my review board for the sole reason of not having uniform X on, even though uniform Y was perscribed.

The cadets who are being allowed a review board, are they in uniform X?
NATHAN A. HARMON, Capt, CAP
Monroe Composite Squadron

FlyTiger77

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Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 05:22:34 AM
Would I need him to fill out a CAPF50-2, and scan and send a copy to an IG?

Step #1 is not the IG.

Step #1: Talk to your element/flight leader. Have him/her engage the cadet commander for relief or clarification

Step #2: If step #1 doesn't get you the relief you seek, ask to speak to the Deputy Commander for Cadets and plead your case.

Step #3: If you still don't have satisfaction, ask to speak to the Squadron Commander and plead your case there. Bear in mind that the squadron commander will also take input from the cadet commander and the Deputy Commander for Cadets.

Realize that at any one of the above steps, "No" is an answer. As long as is the action is not unethical, immoral or illegal, the cadet commander (if supported by higher commanders) gets to set policy. At that point, you don't have to like it. You just have to abide by it.

The IG is step #6 or #7. It is certainly not step #1.
JACK E. MULLINAX II, Lt Col, CAP

Dad2-4

Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 06:28:17 AM.... He should mind his own business. 
If he's the C/CC and the CDC and/or CC have given him this authority, then he IS minding his business.
IMHO, it sounds like a personality conflict may be coming into play.
What's already been said:
1. Element leader
2. Flt Sgt
3. Flt Ldr
4. C/CC
5. CDC
6. Sq. CC
7. Group CDC
8. Group CC
Seriously doubt you'll need to get past #6 for a satisfactory answer, but you do have a right to keep asking.
Edit: Someone please correct me if I missed someone in that chain.

abdsp51

The op is C/MSgt so his chain has shrunk a deal.  But this is something that should first and foremost be solved in house and no higher than the group if need be. 

If CAP IG works like the AF IG then chances are the first question will be did you use your CoC?  If the answer is no it's sent right back to the unit. 

Was this something sprung at that night and you were trying to board or something that was put out before hand? 

Noble Six

Quote from: Dad2-4 on April 10, 2012, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on April 10, 2012, 06:28:17 AM.... He should mind his own business. 
If he's the C/CC and the CDC and/or CC have given him this authority, then he IS minding his business.
IMHO, it sounds like a personality conflict may be coming into play.
What's already been said:
1. Element leader
2. Flt Sgt
3. Flt Ldr
4. C/CC
Cadet leadership officer
Cadet Activities officer

5. CDC
6. Sq. CC
7. Group CDC
8. Group CC
Seriously doubt you'll need to get past #6 for a satisfactory answer, but you do have a right to keep asking.
Edit: Someone please correct me if I missed someone in that chain.

I dont feel like re numbering, seems like people miss a step and forget about the lower level cadet programs officers.
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Noble Six

edit Leadership officer, and activities officer.
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